US Military-turned-contractor: "the vast majority of us are straight up sociopaths"
From a longer essay comparing war videogames to the real thing:
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I was in Iraq in 2007. Over a 3-month period, we saw some of the bloodiest fighting since the invasion, losing more than ten men and killing hundreds of insurgents. A reporter for a very well-known mens lifestyle magazine visited us to learn about our experiences. About halfway through his escort, an officer from the military media centre tells him that he is not allowed to speak to us anymore. He has to use stories taken from a non-combat unit earlier that day. It turned out that the officer was appalled at the jovial nature of our recollections; the story in which a vehicle commander sawed two men in half with a mounted machinegun because they were on their phones dicking us made him balk in particular.
The journalist took some pictures of us because we looked warry and lo and behold, 2 months later, the magazine has an article about some medic that helps local civilians accompanied by pictures of infantrymen in full gear.
This is one of countless ways the military carefully shapes the public opinion of the troops. Its a shameless PR exercise. One of our guys got a Military Cross (a medal for bravery) awarded after he got shot in the bum and continued to fight. His platoon was isolated on a rooftop with no escape for hours, and there was literally nothing else he could do but fight. This does not make him a hero. It makes him a soldier with a sore bum.
Next time you watch a military documentary, ask yourself why only 3 or 4 men are ever interviewed from a unit. The answer?
The rest of them are like me.
Theres a reason the new guy always gets put on point and nobody really cares when he gets blown up, that so many incidents of collateral damage go unreported, that failed missions are spun into something positive like gathering valuable intel, and why only roughly 20% of combat troops ever get PTSD when if you think about it, it should affect everyone that ever sees combat.
Its because the vast majority of us are straight up sociopaths
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A friend of mine came under fire inside a compound. He followed up the shooter, who disappeared into an escape tunnel. My friend followed standard procedure and threw a grenade into the tunnel entrance before following up. When entering the tunnel, he found only the bodies of a woman and a small child, whom the terrorist had used to cover his escape.
When I spoke about it to my friend years later, he recalled how pissed he was at losing the insurgent, and how bad he felt afterwards about it. Hed had his professional pride tarnished. I asked him if he ever thought about the woman and her kid and he just looked at me blankly.
He didnt even remember they were there.
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http://www.mediumdifficulty.com/2012/03/01/call-of-apathy-violent-young-men-and-our-place-in-war/
qb
(5,924 posts)There are a lot of veterans on this board.
qb
(5,924 posts)I can remember a day when mercenaries were nearly universally regarded as immoral outlaws, and American mercenaries were virtually unknown. That was before George W. Bush.
denbot
(9,901 posts)I don't think private armies should be tolerated in a democracy.
I put down my weapon after serving in Bosnia.
When we returned, on a shooting range our sergeant told us to practise shooting up Russians. I told him to get real, put down my Dimaco and asked to be transferred. I got out as soon as possible.
I don't regret having served, nor having made life time friends. I do resent the course the military has taken.
TrogL
(32,822 posts)Quite a number completely miss the point.
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)zeemike
(18,998 posts)When ask for volunteers for killing what kind of people do you think you will attract?
The reason why the military in other wars were not so sociopathic was because it took people from the cross section of the populous and that made the sociopaths in the minority and they then would have to hide their misdeeds from the rest of the soldiers.
And most of them were not there to be heroes but do their duty...something we have lost completely by making it a cult of heros instead of an organization of people willing and able to do their duty for their country.
And the sad part is that it is probably to late to change it...we have had a whole generation that has grown up with this and just can't see it any other way.
underpants
(182,850 posts)recommended
naaman fletcher
(7,362 posts)Why, just the other day I was attacked here for disagreeing with HRC that vets should get priority for new jobs.