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elleng

(130,975 posts)
Sun Dec 25, 2016, 12:15 PM Dec 2016

How to Help Trump, by George Lakoff

'Without knowing it, many Democrats, progressives and members of the news media help Donald Trump every day. The way they help him is simple: they spread his message.

Think about it: every time Trump issues a mean tweet or utters a shocking statement, millions of people begin to obsess over his words. Reporters make it the top headline. Cable TV panels talk about it for hours. Horrified Democrats and progressives share the stories online, making sure to repeat the nastiest statements in order to refute them. While this response is understandable, it works in favor of Trump.

When you repeat Trump, you help Trump. You do this by spreading his message wide and far.

Nobody knows this better than Trump. Trump, as a media master, knows how to frame a debate. When he picks a fight, he does so deliberately. He tweets or says outrageous things, knowing they will be repeated millions and millions of times. When the news media and Democrats repeat Trump’s frames, they are strengthening those frames by ensuring that tens of millions of Americans hear them repeated over and over again.

Quick: don’t think of an elephant. Now, what do you see? The bulkiness, the grayness, the trunkiness of an elephant. You can’t block the picture – the frame – from being accessed by your unconscious mind. As a professor of brain science, this is the first lesson I give my students. It’s also the title of my book on the science of framing political debates.

The key lesson: when we negate a frame, we evoke the frame. When President Richard Nixon addressed the country during Watergate and used the phrase “I am not a crook,” he coupled his image with that of a crook. He established what he was denying by repeating his opponents’ message. . .

This illustrates one of the most important principles of framing a debate: When arguing against the other side, don’t use their language because it evokes their frame and not the frame you seek to establish. Never repeat their charges! Instead, use your own words and values to reframe the conversation.'>>>

https://georgelakoff.com/2016/12/15/how-to-help-trump/

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How to Help Trump, by George Lakoff (Original Post) elleng Dec 2016 OP
Left wing rallies and demonstrations seem like a good counter to this Kolesar Dec 2016 #1
Right wingers are "Strict Father Authoritarians" Basic LA Dec 2016 #2
Right. Glad you've read Lakoff. elleng Dec 2016 #3
That's the frame. Igel Dec 2016 #5
Don't Blame Liberals for orange boy Leith Dec 2016 #4
Lakoff's point isn't entirely wrong. Igel Dec 2016 #6
good analysis. yurbud Dec 2016 #7

Kolesar

(31,182 posts)
1. Left wing rallies and demonstrations seem like a good counter to this
Sun Dec 25, 2016, 12:17 PM
Dec 2016

Drumpf should be put on the defensive about climate policy, Black Lives Matter, ... more

 

Basic LA

(2,047 posts)
2. Right wingers are "Strict Father Authoritarians"
Sun Dec 25, 2016, 02:39 PM
Dec 2016

Last edited Sun Dec 25, 2016, 07:11 PM - Edit history (1)

That's how Prof. Lakoff describes them. They respond not to Facts, but to Authority. We mistakenly think facts will finally sway them. But they crave a strict father who rules despite facts.

Igel

(35,320 posts)
5. That's the frame.
Mon Dec 26, 2016, 07:30 PM
Dec 2016

But like much of that variety of cog ling, it only accounts for the facts it wants to.

Give them a counter-example or 20 and you get one of several responses. A claim that it's irrelevant to the real truth; an appeal to authority; or a quick redefinition of key terms.

Lakoff would have Lenin and Mao and the SWP be classified as "conservatives." Or redefine "conservative" in a way that makes most political discussion meaningless, without bothering to point out that what's already been said has been rendered moot, if not falsified. Or those are just random occurrences without any bearing on the present because, well, things are different in undefinable ways.

At least the earlier practitioners of "fuzzy" cog link like Sebeok knew the limits of their analysis. Lakoff never did and after the linguistics wars were done he carved out a guerrilla's niche for himself, like the Whorf-Sapir hypothesis found its niche and can't be shaken if though the supposed factual basis for the thing was long ago found to be fatally ridden with errors.

Lakoff did get in a nice plug for his book, though.

Leith

(7,809 posts)
4. Don't Blame Liberals for orange boy
Sun Dec 25, 2016, 08:06 PM
Dec 2016

He acts like a self-made man, let him take credit for the gollum with a wig schtick. He built that all by himself.


Igel

(35,320 posts)
6. Lakoff's point isn't entirely wrong.
Mon Dec 26, 2016, 07:36 PM
Dec 2016

It's just rendered absurd by him.

I've long thought that most of reporting of Trump's outrageous behavior and utterances and that of his followers (which continues to the present) is misconceived: Surely if the public hears how racist/sexist/ignorant/etc. Trump's speech is when carefully parsed and placed in the proper framework they'll recognize how much a fool he is.

They understand him differently. He uses a different code, a different register. Repeating what he says strikes those that don't like him one way, because they interpret his speech using their own code. Those who support him hear him in keeping with *their* code. Grice would point out that there's precious little cooperation on the part of those who dislike him, and that reduces the willingness to try to understand (much like a lawyer and a hostile witness, or a politician faced with a hostile reporter, you see a range meanings and interpretations that the other person might be offering and pick the one that suits you in making him out to be as bad as possible).

Not an intelligent way of doing things if you want cooperation, dialog, understanding, and democracy. But very human.

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