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Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
Mon Sep 19, 2016, 04:58 PM Sep 2016

The Real Ed Snowden Is a Patsy, a Fraud and a Kremlin-Controlled Pawn

I’ve closely followed the saga of Edward Snowden from the moment the former CIA and NSA IT contractor grabbed the global limelight with both hands back on June 12, 2013 by appearing in the Chinese media, exposing American government secrets on a scale nobody had ever done before.

I insisted from the outset that Snowden was not the whistleblower he claimed to be, rather an attention-seeking narcissist, and that certainly once he landed in Moscow on June 23, 2013—and quite possibly before—he was in bed with Russian intelligence. Moreover, Snowden’s 1.5 million stolen documents were nearly all about NSA foreign intelligence and Pentagon military matters—not domestic surveillance. In short, the Snowden saga as presented to the public by Ed and his media enablers was a fantasy.

Now, more than three years later, my position—which garnered me criticism and epic amounts of social media trolling—has been vindicated by several sources, including the U.S. Congress. Oliver Stone’s apologia-as-film about Snowden has just opened, to decidedly mixed reviews, and its premiere has been marred by the overdue intrusion of reality on this Moscow fable. Stone has a long history of making “truthy” movies based on Kremlin propaganda, and his latest sticks with that dubious pattern.

I’ve taken the Snowden debacle personally, in no small part because when I worked in NSA counterintelligence, it was obvious that something like Snowden was bound to happen. By ignoring basic security, by outsourcing core missions to greedy defense contractors, by allowing the security clearance process to fall apart—and above all by oversharing sensitive information with people who had no “need to know” as the spies say—NSA and our whole Intelligence Community created the circumstances that made Snowden possible.

None of this is to deny the traitor’s agency: Ed did all this, willfully. Yet NSA is every bit as culpable as Snowden for this historic debacle, for ignoring years of warnings about security that predicted exactly what came to pass when Snowden stole grandly and fled to China, then Russia, where he remains. I, along with others, warned NSA years ago that it was flirting with counterintelligence disaster, and the agency was “just one asshole away” from the security abyss. Eventually that asshole was going to show up. He did, as actuarially he was bound to. His name just happened to be Ed Snowden.

http://observer.com/2016/09/the-real-ed-snowden-is-a-patsy-a-fraud-and-a-kremlin-controlled-pawn/

Game, set, match

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pennylane100

(3,425 posts)
1. And the plot thickens.
Mon Sep 19, 2016, 05:16 PM
Sep 2016

I was quite surprised when I read this article. I had always felt that Snowden was basically a good person. I was interested about the guy that wrote this article so I googled him. It appears that he has his own history of bad press.

blackbag.gawker.com/the-crazy-emails-that-took-down-nsa-spook-john-...Jul 24, 2014 - Remember John Schindler, the conservative talking head, retired NSA spook, and Naval War College professor who briefly went incognito after screenshots of (what appear to be) his penis leaked onto the Internet? ... NSA Spook-Turned-Twitter-Pundit Goes Dark After Dick Pic Surfaces.

Not sure about the "game set and match" anymore.




Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
2. It was my understanding Snowden targeted NSA ergo he sought employment with
Mon Sep 19, 2016, 05:37 PM
Sep 2016

NSA in order to gain information, it did not just fall into his hands. I worked under the rules of espionage, I knew the consequences of violation, I do not feel he should get any breaks.

Glorfindel

(9,730 posts)
3. Neither do I. I handled paperwork in the Army rated "TOP SECRET" and above
Mon Sep 19, 2016, 05:52 PM
Sep 2016

I knew exactly what would happen if I revealed anything contained therein, as did everyone else who worked in G-2.

 

rtracey

(2,062 posts)
5. Kremlin Controlled Pawn?
Mon Sep 19, 2016, 10:12 PM
Sep 2016

Well he chose to go there, he could have gone to another country, but HE chose Russia.... I dont feel a bit sorry for him He is a thief and a traitor (IMO).

Judi Lynn

(160,545 posts)
6. "Kremlin?" There's a word I haven't heard in decades. Bless those rabid little Cold Warriors.
Tue Sep 20, 2016, 02:04 AM
Sep 2016

They've probably missed hating the "commies."

fiorello

(182 posts)
8. Ouch. I disagree. Here is a REAL documentary about Snowden.
Thu Sep 22, 2016, 04:56 PM
Sep 2016

This article set off a bunch of red flags for me.

Most obvious: how could Snowden be "in bed with Russian intelligence" when he planned to spend just a few hours there changing planes? He remained in Russia only because the US trapped him there.

PBS Frontline did a real documentary ("United States of Secrets&quot . Being PBS, they placed complete interviews on their web site, including NSA spokespeople and other Snowden opponents.

Watch the documentary, not the Hollywood garbage. It has the real words of Snowden and others, not some Hollywood script.

The documentary describes the persecution and hounding of Bush-era whistle-blowers, how this convinced Snowden he would never get a fair hearing or trial in the US, how he planned to give all his information to two reporters-so that they could determine what was newsworthy and would not compromise security, and then flee.

You have to decide for yourself who is trustworthy and who is just talking political BS. I think it's obvious, but, regardless: please do it based on real facts, and the real people, rather than either some souped-up Hollywood drama, or based on vague name-calling and red-baiting.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/film/united-states-of-secrets/

Archae

(46,335 posts)
9. Of course the PBS show will be more accurate than Stone.
Fri Sep 23, 2016, 06:23 PM
Sep 2016

PBS has a reputation for mostly being accurate. (A few exceptions, of course.)

Oliver Stone has a reputation of flat-out bullshit in the name of "artistic license."

Archae

(46,335 posts)
11. Good messengers don't make stuff up.
Fri Sep 23, 2016, 09:41 PM
Sep 2016

And Oliver Stone is notorious for making stuff up.

Take "JFK" for example.

That movie got two facts correct.

Kennedy was shot and killed.

Garrison put Clay Shaw on trial.

The rest of that movie is pure bullshit.

fiorello

(182 posts)
14. Sometimes fact-based documentaries are better entertainment than Hollywood also.
Sat Sep 24, 2016, 09:54 AM
Sep 2016

I found "United States of Secrets" to be gripping as a straight-out suspense drama. Why is it not as widely seen as the Hollywood versions? I suspect it is because the Hollywood version, like a certain presidential candidate, gets massive advertising, mostly from unpaid "news" coverage, on TV. The PBS documentary received... some mention on PBS.

One other instance: every four years PBS puts on "the Choice", a parallel biography of the lives and careers of the two presidential candidates. The next one is Monday evening (and available on the web afterwards). Prepare to be nauseated by the side-by-side presentation of young Hillary working as a pro-bono lawyer for African Americans in the South, while young Donald begins his business "career" by joining his daddy's real estate empire. Previous versions have been very entertaining as well as fair-minded and informative... they gave me some respect for Mitt Romney (not that I'd vote for him, of course) and utter disdain for George Junior Bush. No one but PBS junkies knows about it, of course... I only found it by accident in 2004.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,321 posts)
13. The Observer, published by Trump's son-in-law Jared Kushner? Really, Blue_Tires?
Sat Sep 24, 2016, 07:27 AM
Sep 2016
http://observer.com/about/

You think that an article written by an ex-NSA employee, who had to resign from the Naval War College over a penis pics scandal, published by one of the most contemptible shits in existence, is "game, set, match"? You think those turds tell you some version of the truth?

The 'fraud and a Kremlin controlled pawn' is the publisher's father-in-law, not Snowden. Maybe you should consider your sources before posting them on DU as if you support them.
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