What Trump Doesn’t Understand About the Military
By SUE FULTON SEPT. 9, 2016
I doubt that many of us veterans had high expectations for the candidates forum on national security on Wednesday. Our country has essentially been at war now for 15 years, yet fewer of our would-be leaders have real ties to the military. But, in the crowd of veterans at the forum, I, and those around me, were startled more than once by Donald J. Trumps lack of understanding of how his comments would be heard by us. In his allotted 30 minutes, he made several statements that reflected a lack of knowledge of how the military works, or appeared to argue for action that would be a violation of the armed services values.
I was a member of the class of 1980 at West Point the first class that admitted women and I served in the Army for five years. Since then, my work and life have been connected to the military. In the 1990s I worked on the failed campaign to end the ban on service by gay Americans, and a decade later I worked to get the dont ask, dont tell policy repealed. I have stayed close to West Point and mentored cadets and staff. Now, I am seeking local office as a Democrat in New Jersey. I am not among the 55 percent of current or former members of the military who support Mr. Trumps candidacy. But I went to the forum with an open mind, interested to hear how Mr. Trump would speak directly to his military supporters, and to see his grasp of the issues that affect us all.
I was able to ask him a question. Because he has been so outspoken about immigrants, saying that people who have entered the country illegally would not be allowed to stay, I wanted to know whether he believed an undocumented immigrant who wanted to serve in the military should be allowed to do so. He said they could stay in that circumstance. I agree with him there, but I dont understand how that fits with his previous statements. Which is true? When a Marine veteran, Rachel Fredericks, asked him about suicide statistics among veterans, he corrected her numbers but she was right and he was wrong. Regarding sexual assault, he commented that a military court system to handle such cases practically doesnt exist, which is baffling. The Judge Advocate Generals Corps in the Army alone constitutes one of the worlds largest law firms.
But worse were those comments that fly in the face of our core values. You cannot underestimate the importance of honor, of virtuous conduct, among military people. Mr. Trump said that the United States should take the oil from Iraq, citing the adage that to the victor go the spoils. When he said this, there was a muffled gasp in the room. This is called plunder. Stealing the national resources of another sovereign country is effectively a war crime. Given an opportunity to explain a 2013 tweet 26,000 unreported sexual assaults in the military only 238 convictions. What did these geniuses expect when they put men and women together? he doubled down. It is a correct tweet, he said. There are many people that think thats absolutely correct.
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True Dough
(17,314 posts)EVERYTHING!
The Polack MSgt
(13,192 posts)Against righty leadership my whole career.
Although, to be fair, once I laid out my position I was never overtly harassed or pressured.
But the Officer and Senior NCO corps of all the services are extremely right wing and those values are absorbed by the lower ranks - often without the troops even realizing there are other viewpoints.
I also believe that this Duffel Blog piece may be a juuuust a little too close to true for my comfort...
http://www.duffelblog.com/2016/08/military-coup-wins-poll/
CRK7376
(2,203 posts)Painful to see and hear that flavor of speculation/humor. This, 18month into retirment O-6, never ever leaned to the right! But then in the Army I grew up in officer and senior NCOs were supposed to present an apolitical appearance. I did, although with my friends we sometimes debated the issues and candidates but we were respectful and did not throw out CNN/FOX or any other brand of propagandabroadcasting. Just honest debate/discussions. I hate seeing senior leadership siding with either camp. Keep it to yourself Generals. The public wants to trust our military wants them to be apolitical and defend the Constitution against all enemies foreign and domestic....
The Polack MSgt
(13,192 posts)We are supposed to be neutral.
But there were alot of snide remarks about Bill Clinton, and too much defending W from any criticism for the message not to be clear
GP6971
(31,202 posts)leanforward
(1,077 posts)I seem to remember some guys telling me (us) that we were not supposed to rape, pillage, and plunder. "take the oil"?