The alt-right is more than warmed-over white supremacy. It’s that, but way way weirder.

[muriel_volestrangler]

A good explainer from Dylan Matthews on Vox:

The label blends together straight-up white supremacists, nationalists who think conservatives have sold out to globalization, and nativists who fear immigration will spur civil disarray. But at its core are the ideas of a movement known as neoreaction, and neoreaction (NRx for short) is a rejection of democracy.

Thus, within the world of neoreaction, Trump's seemingly authoritarian impulses are a feature, not a bug. The only real problem is he may not go far enough. NRxer Michael Perilloux, for example, complained that Trump wouldn't pull off the kind of power grab that many of his critics fear him capable of:

Is Trump likely to cancel the constitution, declare martial law, declare himself emperor to be succeeded by his children, nationalize the banks and media, hang some of the worst criminal bankers, send the Israelis back to Israel, call the National Guard to roll tanks into Harvard Yard, place all communists and other anti-American elements under house arrest, retire all government employees, replace the USG with the Trump Organization, and begin actually rebuilding America and western civilization?

Short of that, he is simply another phenomenon within the arcane workings of the system, as worthy of support as the ebb and flow of the tides. Surely, the unprecedented nature of his campaign warrants excited interest as a historical case-study and promising fore-shock of a true restoration, but he is not the king, and we have a ways to go yet.

...
"Democracy is — as most writers before the 19th century agreed — an ineffective and destructive system of government," Moldbug writes. Moldbug doesn't actually like the term "democracy." He prefers "demotism," or rule of the people, a label under which he sweeps modern-day developed democracies like the US or Western Europe but also the former Soviet bloc, Nazism, and fascism. "Universalist lawful democracy is the least demotist of demotisms, Demotism Lite if you will," he writes. "Compared to Communism and Nazism, there's much to be said for it. But this is a rather low bar."
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The neoreactionaries are a distinctly '00s and '10s phenomenon, but they draw on the racialist and traditionalist arguments of a much older movement: paleoconservatism.

http://www.vox.com/2016/4/18/11434098/alt-right-explained

And in paleoconservatism, he points out Taki's Magazine as an example of an openly racist venue (run by a supporter of the neo-Nazi 'Golden Dawn' party in Greece) where the racist right wingers go when kicked out of slightly less extreme places like National Review. If that rings a bell, we had an epic DU thread about an article from it in 2014: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024949246

[cagefreesoylentgreen]

1. The irony in this

None of the guys interviewed apparently understand that authoritarianism and "less government" are fundamentally incompatible with each other.

[geek tragedy]

2. that, and loads of special snowflake-style self-pity nt

[Buckeye_Democrat]

3. I've lurked on sites that had strongly anti-racist posters...

... who also bought into the "alt-right" conspiracy garbage, and they're voting for Trump.

The ones idiotic enough to believe the Clinton "murder list" (or whatever it's called) are hopeless.

[geek tragedy]

4. by definition, anyone who votes for Trump is not anti-racist.

there are Leftbart types who believe she's to blame for Vince Foster's death, etc. Those alt-left types are really kissing cousins with the alt-right

[Buckeye_Democrat]

5. I need to look up alt-left, I guess.

If they believe that Jews secretly run the world, believe that the Clintons committed numerous murders, believe that police are building an arsenal to take our guns and throw us into concentration camps, believe that the Bilderberg Group and Soros are major threats to the world, believe that 9-11 was an inside job, believe that the Orlando shooting was committed by cops and so on, then I'll accept that the person who constantly defended African Americans against racists there is an "alt-left" person.

EDIT: The poster was strongly anti-government in general. I personally wouldn't define anyone with that attitude as "left." If it's defined that way, I consider it a gross perversion of old definitions.

[geek tragedy]

6. alt-left (my term) believe conspiracy theories like "Hillary stole the 2016 primary" and

dabble in anti-vaxxer stuff as well as that Obama and Clinton are part of a transnational corporatist plot to make everyone slaves of Walmart and General Electric.

And there is more than a bit of, well, let's call it "Israel is the roof of all evilism"

[Buckeye_Democrat]

7. The person that I'm remembering in particular was all over the place.

He was against corporate abuses, but also opposed to all government taxes and regulations.

He claimed to support Bernie Sanders, but many of his beliefs didn't seem to jibe well with Sanders' policy arguments.

Very strange person.

[Blue_Tires]

10. You'll find them all over Twitter

[Blue_Tires]

9. +1

[roamer65]

8. Anyone who votes for Drumpf is a fascist.

There...one sentence says it all.

Remember...failed republics usually end up in fascist tyranny.