MICHAEL MOORE: 5 Ways To Make Sure Trump Loses (to Hillary!)

[yurbud]

This post by Michael Moore makes me suspect he's a regular at DU.

Have you ever voted for a candidate because someone called you a childish fucking moron if you didn't vote for that candidate?

If you vote for that candidate, it's usually IN SPITE of that bullying pitch, and yet, we hear that exact approach here again and again.

Persuading people takes some thought, creativity, and empathy.

If you really want to convince progressives to vote for Hillary, you should try it.

3. You must be supportive of the depressed voter.

So many people have given up on our system and that’s because the system has given up on them. They know it’s all bullshit: politics, politicians, elections. The middle class in tatters, the American Dream a nightmare for the 47 million living in poverty. Get this straight: HALF of America is planning NOT to vote November 8. Hillary’s approval rating is at 36 percent. CNN said it last night: No one running for office with an approval rating of 36 percent has ever been elected president (Trump’s is at 30 percent). Even in these newer polls, 60 percent still say that Hillary is “untrustworthy to be president.” Disillusioned young people stop me every day to tell me they’re not voting (or they’re voting Third Party). This is a problem, folks. Stop ignoring it. You need to listen to them. Chastising them, shaming them, will not work. Acknowledging to them that they have a point, that Hillary Clinton is maybe not the best candidate, and then promising them that you will join them on November 9 in a political revolution that will demand Clinton enact her platform, that might go a long way to getting them to vote. They don’t have to change their opinion about Hillary. They just have to reluctantly vote for her and be allowed to feel very bad about doing it — and very good that we will fight on their side after the election.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/michael-moore/5-ways-to-make-sure-trump-loses_b_11407538.html?

[pansypoo53219]

1. she can't ASSSUME the left is ENTHUSED.

STOP HUNTING RITARD VOTES. GO LEFT. ACCEPT THE WORD CHANGE.

[yurbud]

2. ironically, it's the RIGHT that has nowhere else to go.

Theoretically, if elected, she could claim even righties voted for a progressive agenda, and the right would have a hard time denying it.

[Zen Democrat]

3. Michael Moore is a national treasure. A modern Will Rogers.

[Bill USA]

4. I would add: Help th depressed/confused voter by disabusing 'em of Big Lies, demonization of Hillary

Those who have the knowledge should help people who don't that Hillary is not really the anti-Christ she has been portrayed as by the Republican party over the last 30 years. She is more honest than the entire Republican party put together. She is certainly more honest than the Rabid Right Commentators who create and foster these Big Lies. The practice of telling Big Lies and demonization of an opponent is greatly helped by a lack of knowledge on the part of the pigeons targeted for being conned by Big Lies and disinformation. The only way out is to help the conned find out the truth about Hillary Clinton: THat she has been a champion of the "little guy" for decades. THAT is why the Republican hate her so much - well, that and the fact that she is smart, tough and able to get things done inspite of Republican obstructionism.

With regard to her emails, she was truthful in saying she never sent or received any emails marked classified as was confirmed by Dir Comey when he answered Rep Matt Cartwright's questions about whether any of the emails Comey contended contained Classified Info had Classfied Headers/subject lines on them. Comey admitted none of the emails in question had Classified Headers on them.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/7/7/1546038/-Comey-tanks-key-GOP-talking-point-admits-classified-materials-were-not-properly-marked

That's why FBI had to recognize they couldn't show any intent on Hillary's part since, without the Classified Headers on the emails how would she know if there was classified info in the emails? (note the question of Classified or not Classified is not as cut and dried as Comey wants you to think. Depending upon the information you are talking about, there can be considerable debate/disagreement between agencies as to what should be classified.

Also note:
Michael MORELL: I Ran the C.I.A. Now I’m Endorsing Hillary Clinton

"I also saw the secretary’s commitment to our nation’s security"

[yurbud]

5. That's a slightly different issue than depressed progressives. I don't care about this email stuff

and unfortunately, I'm not sure that her being cleared will affect righties since they only get their info from right wing sources.

Swing voters and independents probably never gave a shit about it in the first place.

I could be wrong, but I suspect that the right wing outrage machine lost all credibility with everyone except their hardcore followers after trying to impeach Bubba for his sex lies.

[Bill USA]

6. "Acknowledging to them that they have a point, that Hillary Clinton is maybe not the best candidate"

I am hardly the first person to note that the "depressed progressives" that Moore refers to have been swallowing hook, line and sinker the Rabid Right's Big Lies about Hillary Clinton since they (the "depressed progressives&quot started paying any attention to public issues - in the last year or two. The Emails "scandal" has played a significant part in the Right Wing's (and their M$M boot lickers) efforts to demonize Clinton as 'dishonest' and 'untrustworthy'. To any seasoned Democrat/Liberal, Republicans accusing ANYBODY of being dishonest is one hell of a 'gag', but seasoned Liberals know that Right Wing Propaganda is not to be given any attention at all, except to show what bullshit it is.

to say "swing voters and independents" "probably never gave a shit about it in the first place" runs at odds with the poll numbers on the subject. THe Repugnants have done quite a good job on Hillary with their latest McCarthyist Big Lie. I Think not recognizing that fact, frankly, is to be a bit naive (again, the polls show it has been a significant factor in many people's impression of Hillary) The meme has worked very well.

I recognize that there has been a general tiring of the public about the whole subject of her emails & server. But even so, if asked, most people will say they think she has been sneaky and dishonest in some way about the handling of emails and her server. ---- but -- significantly -- they can't say just why they believe that. but nonetheless they believe that's true though. That is the awful effectiveness of disinformation and McCarthyism's use of insinuation and innuendo to crucify someone.

as for me as long as M$M talks about Hillary's "trust" numbers I will beat them over the head with actual demonstrable facts and for aiding and abetting McCarthyism and the fostering of Right Wing Big Lies.


I agree with Barack Obama that Hillary is likely the most qualified candidate for the presidency that any of us has seen in our lifetimes (and I'm pretty old!).

[yurbud]

7. You could be right about swing voters, but progressives have been paying attention all along

and have a longer memory than a lot of politicians are comfortable with.

The right criticizes Hillary for made up or exaggerated issues, especially sins that they would instantly overlook in their own candidates like this email crap.

Progressives look at Hillary's record on macro-issues like war, foreign policy goals and methods, and which way she breaks when push comes to shove between Main Street and Wall Street.

[Bill USA]

8. I remember how nonchalant the RW was when Cheney outed (or had someone do it) covert CIA agent Plame

"The right criticizes Hillary for made up or exaggerated issues, especially sins that they would instantly overlook in their own candidates"

[yurbud]

9. when they mention 4 lives lost in Benghazi...

I instantly think of how eager they were to hold Bush, Cheney, and Rumsfeld responsible for the 3,000 lives lost on 9/11.

Democrats could have killed the whole Benghazi thing by bringing up 9/11 every time. That would have the side benefit of making it impossible for Rudy Giuliani to ever show his face in public again.

[whatthehey]

10. a) half is bullshit b) 40% don't vote any cycle lately c) why waste effort with nonvoters

d) Clinton, like every single candidate, is already making promises she cannot keep. How will making more address her supposed "untrustworthiness" for 2020?

e) what makes the far left special that they need to be soothed and mollycoddled into choosing sensibly between a moderate politico and a fascist lunatic? And yes they are the far left. They are the people to whom Obama is too conservative (just about all deviation between Obama and Clinton have her to his left as evidenced by her platform among many examples). Since that ratio of the population hovers around 10% how is it possible to NOT classify them as far left when they are more so than 90% of the nation? What percentage would make them far left then if not that? Are people not more right wing than 90% of us far right (they would by the way be the furthest right quarter of Trump's support - if that's not far right what is?)

f) we laugh, justifiably, at Trump trying to reach blacks or Hispanics who loathe him, but we earnerstly suggest that Clinton's campaign pour huge resources into patting the hands of the JPR buffoons who loathe her just as much and are far fewer. Why is one a good idea and the other not?