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polly7

(20,582 posts)
Wed May 18, 2016, 02:36 PM May 2016

Monsanto and the Poisoning of Europe

Last edited Thu May 19, 2016, 12:33 AM - Edit history (2)

Open letter to the EFSA Chief Attorney About Re-licensing Glyphosate in the EU

By Colin Todhunter
Global Research, May 18, 2016
Region: Europe

This week, a Standing Committee of plant scientists from 28 member states in Europe is likely to endorse the European Food Safety Authority’s (EFSA) findings so that the European Commission (under pressure from Monsanto, Glyphosate Task Force and others) can re-authorise glyphosate for another nine years. This is despite the WHO classifying glyphosate as being “probably carcinogenic” to humans.

An open letter from campaigner Rosemary Mason to Dirk Detken, Chief Attorney to the EFSA, follows the brief background article you are about to read. In the letter, Mason highlights the regulatory delinquency concerning the oversight of glyphosate in the EU. The evidence provided by Mason might lead many to agree that processes surrounding glyphosate ‘regulation’ in Europe amount to little more than a “cesspool of corruption.

There are around 500 million people in the EU. They want EU officials to uphold the public interest and to be independent from commercial influence. They do not want them to serve and profit from commercial interests at cost to the public’s health and safety. However, what they too often get are massive conflicts of interest: see here about the ‘revolving door’ problem within official EU bodies, here about ‘the European Food and Safety Authority’s independence problem’ and here about ‘chemical conflicts’ in the EC’s scientific committees for consumer issues.

And they get governing bodies that are beholden to massive corporate lobbying: see here about ‘the fire power of the financial lobby’ and here about ‘who lobbies most’ for TTIP, with agribusiness being the biggest lobby group behind this secretive and corrupt trade deal that is attempting drive a policy agenda above the heads of the European people and contrary to their wishes (see this on TTIP as well).

Regulators turn a blind eye to the deleterious effects of products that pose a serious systemic risk to the public: see here about ‘the glyphosate toxicity studies you’re not allowed to see’ and here ‘case closed by EFSA on Roundup, despite new evidence’.

Full article: http://www.globalresearch.ca/monsanto-and-the-poisoning-of-europe/5525765

and here, since some were whining about the source:

Colin Todhunter is an extensively published independent writer and former social policy researcher based in the UK and India.

http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/05/18/monsanto-and-the-poisoning-of-europe/
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Monsanto and the Poisoning of Europe (Original Post) polly7 May 2016 OP
Monsanto is poison erlewyne May 2016 #1
Poor Europe they get out poisons and all the refugees we jwirr May 2016 #2
Wow! A true treasure trove of unabashed nutbaggery! Major Nikon May 2016 #3
. HuckleB May 2016 #5
Yeah, I've seen more bullshit from the MSM as you've cherry-picked from here. polly7 May 2016 #6
You used a crap source, and that's your excuse? HuckleB May 2016 #9
Oooooh. Deep. polly7 May 2016 #11
You almost always use crap sources. HuckleB May 2016 #12
LOL You, I don't even take seriously. nt. polly7 May 2016 #13
You don't take life seriously. HuckleB May 2016 #14
Oh, sure I do. polly7 May 2016 #15
No, you don't. HuckleB May 2016 #16
Sorry, I've read all your propaganda. Don't plan on wasting time reading more. polly7 May 2016 #17
Now you're spreading the anti-GMO suicide myth? HuckleB May 2016 #18
No, your posts are pathetic look at me crap that idolize a poison giant you seem polly7 May 2016 #19
Yet another sad and false response. HuckleB May 2016 #20
Behind India’s ‘Epidemic’ Of Farmer Suicides polly7 May 2016 #23
Doubling down with Shiva and Mercola doesn't make the lies about India's suicides go away. HuckleB May 2016 #25
Some how I doubt you followed Percy Schmeiser that closely Major Nikon May 2016 #30
Oh no, don't doubt that at all. polly7 May 2016 #31
Anyone who uses the right wing quack Mercola as a source obviously doesn't have a "fucking clue" one Major Nikon May 2016 #32
Nah ......... I was here. Where every farmer in the province was talking about polly7 May 2016 #33
Sure, that's why you have to parrot out a right wing quack and AIDS denialist for your proof Major Nikon May 2016 #34
You bet, great sources I have. polly7 May 2016 #35
Cool story bro Major Nikon May 2016 #36
Look in a mirror, you'll be more accurate 'bro'. nt. polly7 May 2016 #37
Perhaps, but I don't have to rely on right wing AIDS deniers and loony bins for my evidence Major Nikon May 2016 #38
Awww ........... need a little teeny fiddle for your poor, poor Monsanto - the perpetual victim? polly7 May 2016 #39
Do you really think your easily debunked lies are doing your cause any good? Major Nikon May 2016 #40
Not just my cause, millions the world over. polly7 May 2016 #41
... Major Nikon May 2016 #42
Creepy propaganda. Does Monsanto pay for that, too? nt. polly7 May 2016 #43
... Major Nikon May 2016 #44
Pretty stupid of you. Here's Bill Nye pointing out how the Monarch butterfies were decimated FighttheFuture May 2016 #47
In other words, you don't realize that more toxic herbicide ... HuckleB May 2016 #49
Pretty stupid of you to quote Nye completely out of context and pretend that's what he meant Major Nikon May 2016 #50
Quote seems pretty on target to me as a response to your Facebook crap. Also, FighttheFuture May 2016 #59
Yeah, how about that... Major Nikon May 2016 #61
And precisely what, pray tell, is your point? n/t gregcrawford May 2016 #7
Here We Go Again - the 'evil' Monsanto Thread! Gamecock Lefty May 2016 #4
Right, because poisons are always so safe and this multi-billion dollar industry has nothing FighttheFuture May 2016 #8
You probably should have read farther Major Nikon May 2016 #22
I know enough to avoid poisons and not want them used. the simplistic WHO procouncement, FighttheFuture May 2016 #24
So tell me then if you completely avoid other things as well... Major Nikon May 2016 #27
Have you seen this piece on the IARC? HuckleB May 2016 #28
No, but anyone who spews the significance of IARC classifications probably should Major Nikon May 2016 #29
Disengenuous apples and oranges comparisons. I am also not only relying on the IARC, as you seem FighttheFuture May 2016 #45
How you can tell when you're a conspiracy theorist.... Major Nikon May 2016 #46
Post removed Post removed May 2016 #48
And yet I don't have to call you stupid in order to make my points Major Nikon May 2016 #52
No, you call me a "Conspiracy theorist". Fuck you. How's that for telling? FighttheFuture May 2016 #54
I didn't call you a conspiracy theorist. You've called me several names Major Nikon May 2016 #60
So what other legit science organization agrees with you? HuckleB May 2016 #51
You might want to read this, then. HuckleB May 2016 #26
We are talking about Roundup, and man made poisons and the mega-corporations behind FighttheFuture May 2016 #53
In other words, you didn't bother to read the piece. HuckleB May 2016 #55
I did. Maybe I misunderstood what you were trying to say. I do take this from the end, which FighttheFuture May 2016 #56
Your response showed no indication of that at all. HuckleB May 2016 #57
No, you prefer to support exsiting posions, I prefer to call them what they are. Poison and it FighttheFuture May 2016 #58
Thanks for proving my point. HuckleB May 2016 #62
When it has been proven... gregcrawford May 2016 #10
As EU Weighs Approval, More Evidence Industry is Rigging the Glyphosate Game polly7 May 2016 #21

erlewyne

(1,115 posts)
1. Monsanto is poison
Wed May 18, 2016, 03:43 PM
May 2016

If the ingredient lists monsanto I am not buying.

Why do they keep shoving this crap down our throats?

I'll gladly pay more.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
2. Poor Europe they get out poisons and all the refugees we
Wed May 18, 2016, 04:24 PM
May 2016

create in the ME. While we still set over here in denial.

Major Nikon

(36,827 posts)
3. Wow! A true treasure trove of unabashed nutbaggery!
Wed May 18, 2016, 04:43 PM
May 2016

Antisemitism
http://web.archive.org/web/20110429193700/http://www.jewishtribune.ca/tribune/jt-050825-05.html

“The True Story of the Bilderberg Group” and What They May Be Planning Now
http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-true-story-of-the-bilderberg-group-and-what-they-may-be-planning-now/13808

Obama Ratchets-Up to Invade Russia
http://www.globalresearch.ca/obama-ratchets-up-to-invade-russia/5525949

Chemtrails: The Consequences of Toxic Metals and Chemical Aerosols on Human Health
http://www.globalresearch.ca/chemtrails-the-consequences-of-toxic-metals-and-chemical-aerosols-on-human-health/19047

Australia Silences Criticism Of Vaccines, Benefits of Homeopathy
http://www.globalresearch.ca/australia-silences-criticism-of-vaccines-benefits-of-homeopathy/5422041

The FDA and Big Pharma’s Latest Killer Agenda: Destroy Homeopathic Medicine
http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-fda-and-big-pharmas-latest-killer-agenda-destroy-homeopathic-medicine/5455093

Genetically Modified Organisms (GMOs) – Planned Sterilization of Humanity?
http://www.globalresearch.ca/genetically-modified-organisms-gmos-planned-sterilization-of-humanity/5511206

BREAKING: ‘US used Nukes on Iraq, Afghanistan’: Atomic bomb dropped on Tora Bora: Expert
http://www.globalresearch.ca/breaking-us-used-nukes-on-iraq-afghanistan-atomic-bomb-dropped-on-tora-bora-expert/27972

HAARP: Secret Weapon Used For Weather Modification, Electromagnetic Warfare
http://www.globalresearch.ca/haarp-secret-weapon-used-for-weather-modification-electromagnetic-warfare/20407

Fluoride: Killing Us Softly
http://www.globalresearch.ca/fluoride-killing-us-softly/5360397

Global Warming: Ten Facts and Ten Myths on Climate Change
http://www.globalresearch.ca/copenhagen-and-global-warming-ten-facts-and-ten-myths-on-climate-change/16467

The Globalization of Poverty: Deconstructing the New World Order
http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-globalization-of-poverty-deconstructing-the-new-world-order/29554



polly7

(20,582 posts)
6. Yeah, I've seen more bullshit from the MSM as you've cherry-picked from here.
Wed May 18, 2016, 05:12 PM
May 2016

Yellow cake!!

Mushroom clouds!

Hussein attacked on 9/11!!

And on, and on, and on. Daily. You can't even watch cable for an hour without being lied to a dozen times.

Except all this bullshit propaganda was touted over and over and fucking over to cause millions to suffer and die.




Got any actual argument with what was stated in the article?

polly7

(20,582 posts)
11. Oooooh. Deep.
Wed May 18, 2016, 05:34 PM
May 2016

I've posted dozens of articles here re Monsanto, Europe and all sorts of things - from reputable sources saying the same things as above.

What's your excuse?

HuckleB

(35,773 posts)
14. You don't take life seriously.
Wed May 18, 2016, 05:42 PM
May 2016

Pushing CTs is not ok. You now know that your source is not just bad but despicable, and yet you defend it and leave it up.

polly7

(20,582 posts)
15. Oh, sure I do.
Wed May 18, 2016, 05:44 PM
May 2016

I actually consider human beings 'life' and don't want them poisoned, killed in war, starved, etc. etc. etc.

I don't worship your Monsanto god, just get over it.

HuckleB

(35,773 posts)
16. No, you don't.
Wed May 18, 2016, 05:49 PM
May 2016

You are working to harm people by pushing ugly CTs that serve only to promote the organic industry.

The anti-GMO movement has actively worked to keep food out of the mouths of starving people.
http://www.economist.com/node/1337197

http://thebreakthrough.org/index.php/programs/conservation-and-development/the-human-toll-of-anti-gmo-hysteria

And now the anti-GMO movement is leading to real world harm on farms.
http://weedcontrolfreaks.com/2016/05/as-consumers-shift-to-non-gmo-sugar-farmers-may-be-forced-to-abandon-environmental-and-social-gains/

Your blind faith in ideology is not helping anyone.

polly7

(20,582 posts)
17. Sorry, I've read all your propaganda. Don't plan on wasting time reading more.
Wed May 18, 2016, 05:52 PM
May 2016

And those starving people??? Tell that to the farmers in India committing suicide by the thousands over the years because once they're forced into buying the seeds, the poison pesticides and fertilizers needed to grow that shit in countries it's not suitable for and being forced to do it all over year after year - losing money, land and everything they once owned all the while.

Your posts are complete BULLSHIT.

HuckleB

(35,773 posts)
18. Now you're spreading the anti-GMO suicide myth?
Wed May 18, 2016, 05:58 PM
May 2016
http://issues.org/30-2/keith/

http://io9.gizmodo.com/the-gmo-mass-suicides-are-a-myth-1565342067

My posts are accurate. You can't discredit them with the fictions you post, and so you get angry for no good reason. We both know you have been exposed to the reality about the India Suicide claims, and yet you continue to push it. That is about as outlandish as it gets.

polly7

(20,582 posts)
19. No, your posts are pathetic look at me crap that idolize a poison giant you seem
Wed May 18, 2016, 05:59 PM
May 2016

to hope destroys lives around the world. Period.

polly7

(20,582 posts)
23. Behind India’s ‘Epidemic’ Of Farmer Suicides
Wed May 18, 2016, 06:43 PM
May 2016

BY BEENISH AHMED APR 17, 2015 2:50 PM

Vandana Shiva, India’s most prominent environmental activist, believes genetically-modified seeds — specifically, those sold by the agricultural behemoth Monsanto — are driving farmers to lose control of their own farming practices. She’s claimed that the frustrations over Monsanto’s proprietary policies which forbid farmers from planting, selling, or even accidentally growing seeds from Monsanto’s patented crops push farmers to the brink. Shiva and other environmental activists have come to refer to Monsanto seeds as “suicide seeds.”

In 2013, she explained her argument, citing one of Monsanto’s genitically-modified cotton seeds as an example.

“Monsanto’s seed monopolies, the destruction of alternatives, the collection of superprofits in the form of royalties, and the increasing vulnerability of monocultures has created a context for debt, suicides and agrarian distress which is driving the farmers’ suicide epidemic in India,” Shiva wrote. “This systemic control has been intensified with Bt cotton. That is why most suicides are in the cotton belt.”

But many researchers have started to take issue with the notion that genetically-modified crops like Monsanto’s Bt cotton are to blame for India’s epidemic of farmer suicides. Some have pointed out that Indian farmers continued to purchase Monsanto seeds even as activists railed against them — and for good reason: because it proved profitable to do so.

For its part, Monsanto has argued that its crops require less pesticide purchase and less loss of yield — meaning that farmers who opted for its genetically-modified seeds would be more successful than those who use traditional seeds.

But Shiva has countered, claiming that Monsanto drove up the price of seeds 8,000 percent — and that “the high costs of purchased seed and chemicals have created a debt trap.”

Since debt is a major cause to farmers’ despair, however, it’s not just agricultural companies like Monsanto who are responsible. For those seeking loans to pay higher up-front costs for Monsanto seeds, unfair lending practices increase their financial woes.

Anoop Sadanadan, a professor of political science based at Syracuse University, has argued that farmer suicides should be attributed not to agricultural practices but rather financial ones. In a paper published last year, he noted that farmer suicides were concentrated in five of India’s 28 states — and that those five offered the least institutional credit to farmers, forcing them to take out private loans at interest rates as high as 45 percent.


Full article: http://thinkprogress.org/world/2015/04/17/3648423/india-farmer-suicide/

I have personal experience with Monsanto planting crops up here and followed very, very closely Percy Schmeiser's fight with them. I know how fucking evil they are, so save your crap.

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2011/12/25/percy-schmeiser-farmer-who-beat-monsanto.aspx

HuckleB

(35,773 posts)
25. Doubling down with Shiva and Mercola doesn't make the lies about India's suicides go away.
Wed May 18, 2016, 06:56 PM
May 2016

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GMOs are not the cause. It's time to come clean. You are simply proving that you use crap sources regularly.

http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2008/nov/05/gmcrops-india

http://theness.com/neurologicablog/index.php/gmo-and-indian-farmer-suicide/

http://junkscience.com/2013/03/demolishing-the-myth-that-monsantos-engineered-crops-drove-270000-indian-farmers-to-suicide/

As for your follow-up distraction...
http://skeptico.blogs.com/skeptico/2005/09/more_antigm_squ.html

Again, we see that all the anti-GMO movement has to offer is lies and innuendo.

As we all know, Mercola is one of the most despicable humans around.
https://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/tag/joe-mercola/

And Shiva isn't much better.
http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2014/08/25/seeds-of-doubt

Major Nikon

(36,827 posts)
30. Some how I doubt you followed Percy Schmeiser that closely
Wed May 18, 2016, 11:27 PM
May 2016

The Federal court in Canada found that good ol' Percy intentionally "contaminated" is own field with Monsanto product, which is not quite the same version your right wing quack Mercola tells.

As established in the original Federal Court trial decision, Percy Schmeiser, a canola breeder and grower in Bruno, Saskatchewan, first discovered Roundup-resistant canola in his crops in 1997.[4] He had used Roundup herbicide to clear weeds around power poles and in ditches adjacent to a public road running beside one of his fields, and noticed that some of the canola which had been sprayed had survived. Schmeiser then performed a test by applying Roundup to an additional 3 acres (12,000 m2) to 4 acres (16,000 m2) of the same field. He found that 60% of the canola plants survived. At harvest time, Schmeiser instructed a farmhand to harvest the test field. That seed was stored separately from the rest of the harvest, and used the next year to seed approximately 1,000 acres (4 km²) of canola.

At the time, Roundup Ready canola was in use by several farmers in the area. Schmeiser claimed that he did not plant the initial Roundup Ready canola in 1997, and that his field of custom-bred canola had been accidentally contaminated. While the origin of the plants on Schmeiser's farm in 1997 remains unclear, the trial judge found that with respect to the 1998 crop, "none of the suggested sources [proposed by Schmeiser] could reasonably explain the concentration or extent of Roundup Ready canola of a commercial quality" ultimately present in Schmeiser's 1998 crop.[5]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monsanto_Canada_Inc_v_Schmeiser

The myth of Indian farmer suicides caused by GM has been debunked almost a decade ago. Hard to believe anyone is still repeating that nonsense.
http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2008/nov/05/gmcrops-india


polly7

(20,582 posts)
31. Oh no, don't doubt that at all.
Wed May 18, 2016, 11:29 PM
May 2016

Everyone here in southeastern SK followed it very, very closely. We all (I planted canola myself - with my own tractor and seeder, even!) discussed it daily.

Somehow, I don't think you have a fucking clue what you're talking about.

Major Nikon

(36,827 posts)
32. Anyone who uses the right wing quack Mercola as a source obviously doesn't have a "fucking clue" one
Wed May 18, 2016, 11:40 PM
May 2016

Since you get your garbage from that shitstain, it's no wonder you haven't the slightest clue. This is in the same thread where you parroted out a no-shit loony's letter in the OP.

Try actually reading the Canadian Federal court decision and then tell me again how they don't have a "fucking clue", but you do because you read what the right wing quack and AIDS denying Mercola has to say on the subject.

polly7

(20,582 posts)
33. Nah ......... I was here. Where every farmer in the province was talking about
Wed May 18, 2016, 11:42 PM
May 2016

it from day one. We're not a very populous place - everyone knows someone who knew exactly what was going on. Your bullshit is just that - bullshit. What happened to Percy, regardless which article I posted, happened. You know FUCK ALL about it.

Major Nikon

(36,827 posts)
34. Sure, that's why you have to parrot out a right wing quack and AIDS denialist for your proof
Wed May 18, 2016, 11:46 PM
May 2016


Anyone with a moderately high reading level can read the court decision and find out what really happened. Good ol' Percy didn't fool the judges, but he certainly has managed to fool those who read what right wing, anti-abortion, AIDS denying quacks have to say. Such great sources you have!

polly7

(20,582 posts)
39. Awww ........... need a little teeny fiddle for your poor, poor Monsanto - the perpetual victim?
Wed May 18, 2016, 11:51 PM
May 2016

Here ya go.

polly7

(20,582 posts)
41. Not just my cause, millions the world over.
Thu May 19, 2016, 12:32 AM
May 2016

Good try though. And ............... the only lies are your own.

 

FighttheFuture

(1,313 posts)
47. Pretty stupid of you. Here's Bill Nye pointing out how the Monarch butterfies were decimated
Thu May 19, 2016, 11:53 AM
May 2016

by the use of Glyphopsate.

On the “accidental decimation” of monarch butterflies from the use of glyphosate

Nye: “People developed this herbicide called glyphosate that kills all the weeds, and kills all of everything except the plants that have this cool gene in them that allows them to grow right through it. We also killed the milkweed, and the milkweed is what the monarch butterflies rely on. So we accidentally have decimated the monarch butterfly population, reduced it over the last two decades by 90 percent … We don’t want that where you are accidentally wiping out a potential pollinator species.”

So when you look at a more integrated picture and see the surrounding damage roundup causes, the links to disruption in human gut bacteria balance which can lead to a host of issues, then is it really all that safe? Regardless of the current Cancer links? NO!

But hey, feel free to run your life by little facebook quips, or perhaps you may want to try to understand the world as a more integrated whole and we are all a part of it.

HuckleB

(35,773 posts)
49. In other words, you don't realize that more toxic herbicide ...
Thu May 19, 2016, 12:27 PM
May 2016

... Would have used to get rid of the milkweed, if glyphosate didn't exist. It's not about the tool, but the reality that farmers need to use all of thei land to make a living. Until we all decide to pay more for food via programs to increase milkweed, the problem will continue. You are aiming at the wrong part of the equation.

Major Nikon

(36,827 posts)
50. Pretty stupid of you to quote Nye completely out of context and pretend that's what he meant
Thu May 19, 2016, 12:28 PM
May 2016

Bill Nye never claimed that glyphosate caused a 90% reduction in the Monarch butterfly population. All he said was glyphosate "seems" to be reducing Monarch habitat, which nobody really disputes, although many dispute what effect, if any, that actually has on Monarch populations, not to mention that it isn't really farmer's responsibility to cultivate a weed that only serves to reduce crop yields and reduce soil nutrients.

But that's kind of the pitfall to getting your information from sources that are complete shit.

To add to the stupidity you quote another shit source about the "disruption in human gut bacteria balance", which quotes other shit sources like shit studies in shit journals by shit researchers like Monika Kruger. They follow up that stupidity with more shit research published in another shit journal.

But hey, feel free to stupidly quote pseudoscientific sources that are childishly easy to debunk and pretend that actually proves anything. Because if your transparent agenda actually included trying "to understand the world as a more integrated whole and we are all a part of it", you probably would be getting your information from sources that had the least bit of credibility.

Just sayin'

 

FighttheFuture

(1,313 posts)
59. Quote seems pretty on target to me as a response to your Facebook crap. Also,
Thu May 19, 2016, 01:06 PM
May 2016

how about this organization for gut issues...

Entropy 2013, 15(4), 1416-1463; doi:10.3390/e15041416
Review
Glyphosate’s Suppression of Cytochrome P450 Enzymes and Amino Acid Biosynthesis by the Gut Microbiome: Pathways to Modern Diseases†
Abstract

Glyphosate, the active ingredient in Roundup®, is the most popular herbicide used worldwide. The industry asserts it is minimally toxic to humans, but here we argue otherwise. Residues are found in the main foods of the Western diet, comprised primarily of sugar, corn, soy and wheat. Glyphosate's inhibition of cytochrome P450 (CYP) enzymes is an overlooked component of its toxicity to mammals. CYP enzymes play crucial roles in biology, one of which is to detoxify xenobiotics. Thus, glyphosate enhances the damaging effects of other food borne chemical residues and environmental toxins. Negative impact on the body is insidious and manifests slowly over time as inflammation damages cellular systems throughout the body. Here, we show how interference with CYP enzymes acts synergistically with disruption of the biosynthesis of aromatic amino acids by gut bacteria, as well as impairment in serum sulfate transport. Consequences are most of the diseases and conditions associated with a Western diet, which include gastrointestinal disorders, obesity, diabetes, heart disease, depression, autism, infertility, cancer and Alzheimer’s disease. We explain the documented effects of glyphosate and its ability to induce disease, and we show that glyphosate is the “textbook example” of exogenous semiotic entropy: the disruption of homeostasis by environmental toxins.


You can go an bathe in Roundup, or DDT, or whatever, for all I care. I will err on the side of caution and keep pushing to remove it from use.

Gamecock Lefty

(700 posts)
4. Here We Go Again - the 'evil' Monsanto Thread!
Wed May 18, 2016, 04:43 PM
May 2016

And yet the UN found just the opposite of that one organization of the WHO. "Glyphosate unlikely to cause cancer . . ."

http://uk.reuters.com/article/us-health-who-glyphosate-idUKKCN0Y71HR

And nobody is ramming anything down your throat. Science over Fear!!!

 

FighttheFuture

(1,313 posts)
8. Right, because poisons are always so safe and this multi-billion dollar industry has nothing
Wed May 18, 2016, 05:21 PM
May 2016

lose. Really?

There are a some contradictory conclusions. If you are smart, then you should err on the side of caution. Or you can just keep on using it and letting it seep into your body until you have some lump and find out it was not as safe as you thought.

Fuck Monsanto. time to find alternatives that don't poison everything at the same time.

Major Nikon

(36,827 posts)
22. You probably should have read farther
Wed May 18, 2016, 06:37 PM
May 2016
In a question-and-answer document issued alongside the joint FAO/WHO statement, the WHO denied that the conclusions by the joint group and by IARC were contradictory. It said they were "different, yet complementary", with the IARC assessment focussed on hazard while the other looked at risk.

"IARC reviews published studies to identify potential cancer hazards," the WHO said. "It does not estimate the level of risk to the population associated with exposure to the hazard."

In contrast, it said, the joint FAO/WHO committee looks at published and unpublished studies to assess the health risk to consumers from dietary exposure to pesticide residues in food.
 

FighttheFuture

(1,313 posts)
24. I know enough to avoid poisons and not want them used. the simplistic WHO procouncement,
Wed May 18, 2016, 06:51 PM
May 2016

no doubt under extreme political pressure applied via Monsanto, is woefully incomplete. The problem with glyphosates is the disruption they do to internal gut bacteria. This is only starting to be understood as an overall part of the human ecology. Disruptions there cause all sorts of host problems over time.

But hey, feel free to plow straight ahead, ignoring the "err on the side of caution", and hang your hat on one pronouncement here. I will not.

Major Nikon

(36,827 posts)
27. So tell me then if you completely avoid other things as well...
Wed May 18, 2016, 07:00 PM
May 2016

Do you ever drink alcohol, eat pickled vegetables, take aspirin, drink coffee, use a cellphone, go out in the sun, or work shift work?

All of those things are also classified by the IARC.

 

FighttheFuture

(1,313 posts)
45. Disengenuous apples and oranges comparisons. I am also not only relying on the IARC, as you seem
Thu May 19, 2016, 11:43 AM
May 2016

to be.

But hey, have a Vodka-glyphosate cocktail with a twist while you shill for Monsanto, if that's what you like. I do not.

Major Nikon

(36,827 posts)
46. How you can tell when you're a conspiracy theorist....
Thu May 19, 2016, 11:50 AM
May 2016

is when everyone who disagrees with you is part of the conspiracy.

Response to Major Nikon (Reply #46)

Major Nikon

(36,827 posts)
60. I didn't call you a conspiracy theorist. You've called me several names
Thu May 19, 2016, 01:15 PM
May 2016

Including shill, tool, stupid, gullible, and now you threw "fuck you" in for good measure.

So yeah, that is very telling.

Enjoy getting locked out of this thread, and no I wasn't responsible for that.

 

FighttheFuture

(1,313 posts)
53. We are talking about Roundup, and man made poisons and the mega-corporations behind
Thu May 19, 2016, 12:47 PM
May 2016

them which will protect their investments, naturally, at all costs. Stay focused man!

As for "organic" farming, while there are problems with the labeling and what constitutes that, it is an endeavor worth pursuing and understanding better for all our health. Man made poisons, while immediately appearing more effective, all too often come with a host of issues on the back-end that take years to understand. This is made even harder by these companies machinations to obscure and suppress the truth.

The companies that make these products have but one priority, make money for their shareholders, and CEO's. They pursue this to the point of subverting the very government agencies and clouding the discourse on their safety for decades. On funding the changes in laws to allow them to do things that were illegal now legally, or with immunity (ALEC ring a bell?). On the regulatory capture of our government.

I suppose the examples of DDT, Agent Orange, of Big Tobacco and Cigarettes and now, Big Oil knowing of climate change since the 70's and covering it up and confusing the science in protection pf profits is totally lost on you.

HuckleB

(35,773 posts)
55. In other words, you didn't bother to read the piece.
Thu May 19, 2016, 12:49 PM
May 2016

You would rather remain ignorant and angry than know what's really going on in the world. Got it.

 

FighttheFuture

(1,313 posts)
56. I did. Maybe I misunderstood what you were trying to say. I do take this from the end, which
Thu May 19, 2016, 12:53 PM
May 2016

is mostly in line with what I think.

I am also not arguing for the overuse or simplistic use of pesticides as an easy solution. The consensus seems to be for integrated pest management. There are also some techniques favored by organic farmers which can help reduce reliance on pesticides. Whatever works is good, but we should follow the evidence, not ideology.


However, I also believe the man-made poisons, worth billions to these companies, so they have a incentive to keep them going, are not the ultimate solutions. Especially at this point in our science.

HuckleB

(35,773 posts)
57. Your response showed no indication of that at all.
Thu May 19, 2016, 12:57 PM
May 2016

Way to jump there now, with a quick copy and paste. Your belief is not based in the real world, so it has no legitimate basis. You apparently prefer worse poisons, simply because they're not patented for a period of time. I find that to be very sad, as it will only serve to harm the planet.

 

FighttheFuture

(1,313 posts)
58. No, you prefer to support exsiting posions, I prefer to call them what they are. Poison and it
Thu May 19, 2016, 01:00 PM
May 2016

should be removed. As for what I "prefer" you are making that all up on your own. So jump around all you want to.

HuckleB

(35,773 posts)
62. Thanks for proving my point.
Thu May 19, 2016, 01:25 PM
May 2016

You don't even understand what a poison is, as you clearly did not read the piece in question. Nice confession.

gregcrawford

(2,382 posts)
10. When it has been proven...
Wed May 18, 2016, 05:33 PM
May 2016

... that regulatory agencies have been infiltrated bought off, and/or threatened by corporate interests, one cannot trust their judgements on matters that pit human health and safety against corporate profits; they will strap on their knee pads to greet their corporate "benefactors."

Under such circumstances, one can ascertain the likelihood of culpability by considering the totality of the documented evidence accumulated over the years – or decades – against the suspect corporation. In Monsanto's case, it is voluminous... and irrefutable, since so much of it comes from the lips of Monsanto CEO, Hugh Grant, himself, that malignant fuck.

Verdict: You're goddam RIGHT Monsanto is evil!

So, for you to attempt to deflect attention away from the crimes of one of the most destructive corporate entities fouling the planet, both literally and figuratively, is not unlike sitting on a live grenade to conceal it. You're gonna have a REAL bad day. But you won't get much sympathy here.

polly7

(20,582 posts)
21. As EU Weighs Approval, More Evidence Industry is Rigging the Glyphosate Game
Wed May 18, 2016, 06:34 PM
May 2016

Published on
Wednesday, May 18, 2016
byCommon Dreams

Suspicious donation from Monsanto emerges after WHO seemingly flipped in its assessment of the dangers posed by the chemical

byLauren McCauley, staff writer

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Monsanto's Roundup relabeled by activists from Global Justice Now, 28th April 2016. The main active ingredient is glyphosate. (Photo: Global Justice Now /Flickr/CC)

As European officials on Wednesday weigh whether or not to re-approve the use of Monsanto's glyphosate, a storm has erupted after the World Health Organization (WHO) seemingly flipped in its assessment of the dangers posed by the chemical.

Ahead of this week's European Commission meeting, which could approve the use of glyphosate for up to nine years, the United Nation’s Food and Agriculture Organization (FAO) and the WHO released a joint summary report concluding that the chemical, a favored ingredient of agrochemical producers like Monsanto and Dow, was "unlikely to pose a carcinogenic risk to humans from exposure through the diet."

These findings were widely (and inaccurately) reported as a "clean bill of health" for a pesticide once declared to be "probably carcinogenic" for humans by the WHO's International Agency for Research on Cancer (IARC).

What's more, documents obtained by the anti-GMO watchdog group U.S. Right to Know found that one of the chairs of the UN's Joint Meeting on Pesticide Residues (JMPR) had, in another capacity, received a six-figure donation from Monsanto.

The Guardian reported on Tuesday:

Professor Alan Boobis, who chaired the UN’s joint FAO/WHO meeting on glyphosate, also works as the vice-president of the International Life Science Institute (ILSI) Europe. The co-chair of the sessions was Professor Angelo Moretto, a board member of ILSI’s Health and Environmental Services Institute, and of its Risk21 steering group too, which Boobis also co-chairs.

In 2012, the ILSI group took a $500,000 (£344,234) donation from Monsanto and a $528,500 donation from the industry group Croplife International, which represents Monsanto, Dow, Syngenta and others, according to documents obtained by the US right to know campaign.


Those opposed to the chemical's re-approval in Europe said the exposed "conflict of interest" in the FAO/WHO report should disqualify it from consideration. The EU's deliberations, which are expected to last two days, were postponed in March after a wave of public opposition forced lawmakers to renege on their approval.

"The timing of the release of this report by the FAO/WHO could be described as cynical if it weren’t such a blatantly political and ham-fisted attempt to influence the EU decision later this week on the approval of glyphosate," said Green MEP Bart Staes.

"Any decision affecting millions of people should be based on fully transparent and independent science that isn’t tied to corporate interests," said Greenpeace EU food policy director Franziska Achterberg. "It would be irresponsible to ignore the warnings on glyphosate and to re-licence this pesticide without any restrictions to protect the public and the environment."


"On one side," Dodwell continued, "there are powerful agribusiness companies like Monsanto, whose Roundup weed killer contains glyphosate and accounts for a third of its total sales. And on the other side you have over a million citizens from across the EU who have signed petitions saying that they don’t want to be exposed to chemicals that are probably causing cancer."


Full article: http://www.commondreams.org/news/2016/05/18/eu-weighs-approval-more-evidence-industry-rigging-glyphosate-game
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