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Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 08:13 AM Apr 2016

The Panama Papers could hand Bernie Sanders the presidency

Matthew Turner
30 minutes ago


The revelation that the rich and wealthy are shovelling money in overseas tax havens is not a particularly surprising one. Nevertheless, the sheer scale of the 11.5 million document leak from Panamanian law firm Mossack Fonseca has whipped up an overdue storm and forced the issue of tax justice back on the agenda. It is likely that the Panama papers is just the tip of the iceberg, and if even more is revealed about the financial affairs of world leaders, the implication for global politics will be huge.

The Democratic presidential primaries in the US have been characterised by surging anger at the global elite. The Panama papers scandal will only fuel popular indignation at the actions of perceived establishment figures – those who have stood idly by and allowed this huge miscarriage of justice to take place.

Although there have been no major American casualties over the leak at this stage, all of the presidential candidates will be questioned about the scandal. And nobody is going to be under more pressure than Hillary Clinton. For some Americans, she is the embodiment of a “global elite”, while Bernie Sanders is its antithesis.The huge leak exposes governments across the globe wilfully ignoring tax avoidance by the rich. Although Clinton has not been linked to any malfeasance in the leak, there is a sense that she is among the elite rich, some of whose members have benefited from such schemes.

It has been revealed Clinton pushed through the Panama Free Trade Deal at the same time that Sanders vocally opposed it, citing research warning that it would strictly limit the government’s ability to clamp down on questionable or even illegal activity. Even if the Clintons remain unmentioned in future tax bombshells, Sanders can continue to exploit the narrative that Clinton is part of the demographic responsible, and has assisted in flagrant abuses of the system through trade deals.

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/the-panama-papers-could-hand-bernie-sanders-the-keys-to-the-white-house-a6969481.html

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The Panama Papers could hand Bernie Sanders the presidency (Original Post) Jefferson23 Apr 2016 OP
Yawn trumad Apr 2016 #1
As if your yawning will make her vote for it go away..ok. lol Jefferson23 Apr 2016 #2
Tick Tock trumad Apr 2016 #3
Celebrating tax evasion for the elite? What does tick tock mean..no matter what Clinton Jefferson23 Apr 2016 #4
You nailed it! "tripe" indeed. SammyWinstonJack Apr 2016 #25
Countdown to Hillary's indictment? What do you think? Will they A Simple Game Apr 2016 #6
Countdown to releasing the Goldman Sachs transcripts? Roland99 Apr 2016 #8
Learn something instead of spouting right wing crap. trumad Apr 2016 #18
Nothing to see here! frylock Apr 2016 #46
Esquire? Aren't they a mens fashion magazine? Odd place to get your opinions from. A Simple Game Apr 2016 #64
It's fucking Charlie Pierce ... trumad Apr 2016 #66
I know, right? Jackilope Apr 2016 #11
Now I'm really falling asleep. trumad Apr 2016 #16
That's OK. I'm awake. :-). Jackilope Apr 2016 #23
Can't wait Stuckinthebush Apr 2016 #19
Yawn, huh? Then go to sleep, dearie. No need to vote. Peace Patriot Apr 2016 #32
Love this Mother Of Four Apr 2016 #39
Absolutely! Peace Patriot Apr 2016 #52
What else do they have? libdem4life Apr 2016 #55
That's almost the first reaction I had. libdem4life Apr 2016 #57
We'll still have to endure Hillary's lies, though. Herman4747 Apr 2016 #38
Fuck issues. frylock Apr 2016 #44
Agreed: Yawn lewebley3 Apr 2016 #49
October 2011: ( NYT) Congress Ends 5-Year Standoff on Trade Deals in Rare Accord Jefferson23 Apr 2016 #5
Hillary AND Obama. dixiegrrrrl Apr 2016 #7
Yes, that's why I posted the older article...you're right. n/t Jefferson23 Apr 2016 #9
Also from 2011 - Hillary vs. Bernie on Panama Free Trade Agreement (2011) drokhole Apr 2016 #34
All Votes " Against" the Panama Free Trade Agreement Were Dems - and One Independent-Bernie Sanders gordyfl Apr 2016 #10
Thanks for that link..which begs the question. WHO are the REAL Democrats? Is that not the point Jefferson23 Apr 2016 #12
"Real" Democrats support payday-lenders, or so Camp Weathervane has informed us. Betty Karlson Apr 2016 #20
Thread winner! Happy Friday ..oops, Happy Thursday! Jefferson23 Apr 2016 #21
Saint Hillary of Walmart. SammyWinstonJack Apr 2016 #28
Not my own invention, mind you. Betty Karlson Apr 2016 #59
Since Panama doesn't have a significant market to sell to... DemocracyDirect Apr 2016 #51
As important as the Panama Papers story is Blue_Adept Apr 2016 #13
Bernie will be making use of it. n/t Jefferson23 Apr 2016 #14
That's still not going to change the conversation though Blue_Adept Apr 2016 #15
We'll see. I do agree msm is incompetent as well as negligent....we have grown Jefferson23 Apr 2016 #17
One major exception: sofa king Apr 2016 #22
You are forgetting that there are some back doors... Peace Patriot Apr 2016 #40
Sanders campaign is pissed that this isn't flying it seems.. nt fun n serious Apr 2016 #24
Hillary supporters care more about this not hurting her chances or how this trade deal was Jefferson23 Apr 2016 #29
No one is HANDING Bernie anything deacon_sephiroth Apr 2016 #26
Agree, and I don't think the author meant it in a derogatory manner. n/t Jefferson23 Apr 2016 #30
neither did I deacon_sephiroth Apr 2016 #60
If we had an unbiased and fair media Bernie would be crushing HRC. Crushing her. nt stillwaiting Apr 2016 #27
+1 FailureToCommunicate Apr 2016 #33
The media is always a convenient scapegoat. Nitram Apr 2016 #37
So how do you explain the collapse of the party since the Turd Way took it over? Doctor_J Apr 2016 #53
Collapse of the Party? Nitram Apr 2016 #54
You should put the sarcasm tag on your post Doctor_J Apr 2016 #56
Right wing talk radio is the equivalent of the scandal press. Nitram Apr 2016 #67
This is the same media that d_legendary1 Apr 2016 #58
the media helps steer that decision in a major way, so it's NOT a scapegoat, but part of the FighttheFuture Apr 2016 #62
Yep! SammyWinstonJack Apr 2016 #42
I think we should wait JustAnotherGen Apr 2016 #31
I'm not sure what you mean...if you're talking about the law firm involved? Jefferson23 Apr 2016 #41
Ah, the hail mary pass! Or is it Deus Ex Machina? Nitram Apr 2016 #35
K and R! bbgrunt Apr 2016 #36
Let's see how the M$M handles this I suspect it'll receive more attention azurnoir Apr 2016 #43
For now, yea...but things can change fast in an election cycle. n/t Jefferson23 Apr 2016 #45
I just do not trust the M$M at this point albeit you're right things could change azurnoir Apr 2016 #47
They're negligent but I am hoping Bernie will make it difficult for them and the international Jefferson23 Apr 2016 #48
It takes time to wade through the equivalent of 1/4 Library of Congress. mwooldri Apr 2016 #50
Wishful thinking at best... Blue_Tires Apr 2016 #61
We'll see. n/t Jefferson23 Apr 2016 #65
In your dreams Hekate Apr 2016 #63

Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
4. Celebrating tax evasion for the elite? What does tick tock mean..no matter what Clinton
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 08:44 AM
Apr 2016

supported and pushed for is inconsequential as long as she wins and can do more
of the same?

A Simple Game

(9,214 posts)
6. Countdown to Hillary's indictment? What do you think? Will they
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 08:57 AM
Apr 2016

cuff her and stuff her or will they let her surrender peacefully?

frylock

(34,825 posts)
46. Nothing to see here!
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 11:06 AM
Apr 2016

Just a year-long investigation with pending interviews that isn't going to be wrapped up anytime soon. Not to worry though. The delay is likely because Comey can't secure reservations to whatever fancy restaurant he plans to take Mrs. Clinton out to so he can exonerate her and apologize profusely for the inconvenience.

A Simple Game

(9,214 posts)
64. Esquire? Aren't they a mens fashion magazine? Odd place to get your opinions from.
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 08:50 AM
Apr 2016
The Great Hillary Email Nothingburger is Still on the Grill, and It's Certainly Overcooked

Isn't that a cute headline, probably as cute as the fashion articles, but it doesn't sound like un-opinionated news to me.

No thanks, I read the news and form my own opinions. I don't let anyone lead me around by my cumberbun.

P.S. You don't want to know what the verb form of cumberbun means. I looked up cumberbun when DU's spell check underlined it... you learn something new every day.

P. P. S. I wonder if Esquire knows about the verb form of cumberbun?
 

trumad

(41,692 posts)
66. It's fucking Charlie Pierce ...
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 10:34 AM
Apr 2016

One of the greatest political writers on the planet.

Wow! Can't even believe you wrote that shit.

Jackilope

(819 posts)
11. I know, right?
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 09:18 AM
Apr 2016

Ostriches have it right. Stick your head in the sand and the problem goes away.

We can't be bothered with the wealthy and abuses from the ruling class. All that is important is that HRC WIN. The other silly stuff like truly reining in abuse and a few trillion of lost taxes doesn't matter. We know she and The Clinton Foundation could never be involved or have ties to that boring multiple page list of evaders because she is a "real" Democrat or whatever the enabling ostrich perspective of the day is.

Being in the dark, where foresight or even where the big money comes from has to be good, because HRC says so, right?



Jackilope

(819 posts)
23. That's OK. I'm awake. :-).
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 09:59 AM
Apr 2016

Thank you for great analogy! Voting for HRC is like hitting the snooze button on real reform.

Peace Patriot

(24,010 posts)
32. Yawn, huh? Then go to sleep, dearie. No need to vote.
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 10:19 AM
Apr 2016

Hillary has it in the bag. No need to do anything but sip your cocktail and stretch out on the chaise lounge and...go to sleep...go gently to sleep...so comfortable, so delicious...don't worry about a thing...we Bernie supporters will take care of everything...sleep, now...

 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
55. What else do they have?
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 01:27 PM
Apr 2016

One can only denounce video proof, not to mention public record and the continual spin for so long.

 

Herman4747

(1,825 posts)
38. We'll still have to endure Hillary's lies, though.
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 10:38 AM
Apr 2016

Come to think of it, Hillary supporters might actually like it when Hillary lies, perhaps responding with:

"Lie to me, again, Hillary, it excites me so very much!! Aw, yes, YES!!!!"

Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
5. October 2011: ( NYT) Congress Ends 5-Year Standoff on Trade Deals in Rare Accord
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 08:49 AM
Apr 2016

WASHINGTON — Congress passed three long-awaited free trade agreements on Wednesday, ending a political standoff that has stretched across two presidencies. The move offered a rare moment of bipartisan accord at a time when Republicans and Democrats are bitterly divided over the role that government ought to play in reviving the sputtering economy.

The approval of the deals with South Korea, Colombia and Panama is a victory for President Obama and proponents of the view that foreign trade can drive America’s economic growth in the face of rising protectionist sentiment in both political parties. They are the first trade agreements to pass Congress since Democrats broke a decade of Republican control in 2007.

All three agreements cleared both chambers with overwhelming Republican support just one day after Senate Republicans prevented action on Mr. Obama’s jobs bill.

The passage of the trade deals is important primarily as a political achievement, and for its foreign policy value in solidifying relationships with strategic allies. The economic benefits are projected to be small. A federal agency estimated in 2007 that the impact on employment would be “negligible” and that the deals would increase gross domestic product by about $14.4 billion, or roughly 0.1 percent.

The House voted to pass the Colombia measure, the most controversial of the three deals because of concerns about the treatment of unions in that country, 262 to 167; the Panama measure passed 300 to 129, and the agreement concerning South Korea passed 278 to 151. The votes reflected a clear partisan divide, with many Democrats voting against the president. In the Senate, the Colombia measure passed 66 to 33, the Panama bill succeeded 77 to 22 and the South Korea measure passed 83 to 15. Senator Harry Reid of Nevada, the majority leader, voted against all three measures.

The House also passed a measure to expand a benefits program for workers who lose jobs to foreign competition by a vote of 307 to 122. The benefits program, a must-have for labor unions, passed with strong Democratic support. The Senate previously approved the measure.

Proponents of the trade deals, including Mr. Obama, Republican leaders and centrist Democrats, predict that they will reduce prices for American consumers and increase foreign sales of American goods and services, providing a much-needed jolt to the sluggish economy.

“At long last, we are going to do something important for the country on a bipartisan basis,” said Senator Mitch McConnell of Kentucky, the minority leader.

However, Mr. Obama’s support for the measures has angered important parts of his political base, including trade unions, which fear job losses to foreign competition. Many Democrats took to the House floor Wednesday to speak in opposition to the deals.

“What I am seeing firsthand is devastation that these free trade agreements can do to our communities,” said Representative Mike Michaud, a Maine Democrat who once worked in a paper mill.


Both chambers raced to approve the deals before a joint Congressional session Thursday with the South Korean president, Lee Myung-bak.

The revival of support for the deals, originally negotiated by the Bush administration five years ago, comes at a paradoxical political moment, when both conservative Republicans and the Occupy Wall Street protesters have taken antitrade positions, albeit for different reasons. In a debate among Republican presidential candidates Tuesday night, Mitt Romney, the former governor of Massachusetts, accused China of manipulating the value of its currency to flood the United states with cheap goods, while populist sentiment on the left opposes the trade agreements because of the potential for American job losses.

Mr. Obama cited similar concerns in criticizing the agreements during the 2008 presidential campaign, but he later embraced the deals as a key part of his agenda to revive the economy. To win Democratic support, the White House reopened negotiations with the three countries to make changes demanded by industry groups and unions, and insisted that the expansion of benefits for displaced workers be tied to passage of the trade agreements.

The benefits program was expanded in 2009 to include workers in service industries as well as manufacturing. The compromise negotiated this summer between the White House, House Republicans and Senate Democrats preserves most of the funding for the program.

Increased protections for American automakers in the South Korea deal won the support of traditional opponents of trade deals, including some Midwestern Democrats and the United Automobile Workers union. But scores of Democrats opposed the deal with Colombia, because they said it did not do enough to address the murders of dozens of union organizers in that country.

“Trade agreements should not be measured solely on how many tons of goods move across the border,” said Representative Lloyd Doggett, a Texas Democrat.

Economists generally predict that free trade agreements, which eliminate tariffs and other policies aimed at protecting domestic manufacturers, benefit all participating nations by creating a larger common market, increasing sales and reducing prices. But such deals also create clear losers, as workers lose well-paid jobs to foreign competition.

The White House and Republican leaders said that the three agreements would provide a big boost to the lagging American economy and put people back to work.

Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton hailed the deals Wednesday as an important victory for American foreign policy. And she said she expected that the South Korea pact alone would create 70,000 American jobs. “By opening new markets to American exports and attracting new investments to American communities, our economic statecraft is creating jobs and spurring growth here at home,” Ms. Clinton said at a Washington event.

But the United States International Trade Commission, a federal agency that analyzed the deals in 2007, reported that that economic impact would be minimal because the three countries combined represent a relatively small market for American goods and services.

The modest projected increase in demand will come mostly from South Korea, the world’s 14th-largest economy, which will join a short list of developed nations that have free trade pacts with the United States, alongside Australia, Canada, Israel and Singapore.

The commission predicted that American farmers would benefit most, because of increased demand for dairy products and beef, pork and poultry. Conversely, it predicted that the pacts would eliminate some manufacturing jobs, particularly in the textile industry.

Opponents, including textile companies, said that the deals would harm the economy by undermining the nation’s industrial base. They argued that South Korean companies would benefit much more than American companies because they were gaining access to a much larger market.

These are the first deals to pass Congress since the approval of an agreement with Peru in 2007. The Bush administration had won approval for trade agreements with 14 countries before the Democrats regained Congress in 2008, but it was then unable to gain traction.

“It’s been five years in the making, but we are finally here,” said Representative Lynn Jenkins, a Kansas Republican, in a speech urging passage of the agreements.

This article has been revised to reflect the following correction:

Correction: October 15, 2011

An article on Thursday about congressional approval of free trade agreements with South Korea, Colombia and Panama misstated the number of trade agreements that Congress had passed since 2007, when Democrats took control of the Senate and the House. It is one, a trade agreement with Peru, in 2007; it is not the case that no agreements were passed during that period.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/13/business/trade-bills-near-final-chapter.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

gordyfl

(598 posts)
10. All Votes " Against" the Panama Free Trade Agreement Were Dems - and One Independent-Bernie Sanders
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 09:15 AM
Apr 2016
No Republicans in the Senate voted against the Panama Free Trade Deal.

http://politics.nytimes.com/congress/votes/112/senate/1/162


And in the House of Representatives:

http://politics.nytimes.com/congress/votes/112/house/1/782

Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
12. Thanks for that link..which begs the question. WHO are the REAL Democrats? Is that not the point
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 09:19 AM
Apr 2016

Last edited Thu Apr 7, 2016, 09:53 AM - Edit history (1)

Hillary has been eluding to regarding Bernie? Oh my!

Isn't history a grand thing on a Friday morning news dump day? lol
On edit: Ahead of myself there...Thursday!

 

Betty Karlson

(7,231 posts)
20. "Real" Democrats support payday-lenders, or so Camp Weathervane has informed us.
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 09:49 AM
Apr 2016

Now get down on your knees and pray to Saint Hillary of Walmart, our blessed lady of inevitability, and the affluent fruits of her labour. The power of Debbie commands you!

 

Betty Karlson

(7,231 posts)
59. Not my own invention, mind you.
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 01:52 PM
Apr 2016

I wish I could remember which fellow DU-er to credit for the joke.

(If you are the inventor, and reading this, please jog my memory by posting in the thread!)

 

DemocracyDirect

(708 posts)
51. Since Panama doesn't have a significant market to sell to...
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 11:25 AM
Apr 2016

... I think this trade deal is a litmus test for who is pro-corporate.

The only real reason for a free-trade deal with Panama is to allow Americans to buy products and services from shell corporations there...

... where rich Americans can obscure the fact that they own a part of those companies.

So now I can partner with a factory in China...

... make a hundred tons of rubber dog poop ...

and sell it to the US from my shell corporation in Panama without paying taxes on my profits.
It's so convenient too that half of my product had to go through this big canal in Panama anyway.

Blue_Adept

(6,399 posts)
13. As important as the Panama Papers story is
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 09:25 AM
Apr 2016

It won't make waves here. It's getting very little traction and even as it does play out elsewhere around the world, it becomes "too complex" for our media to report it so they won't. it won't enter the body consciousness of the American electorate.

Blue_Adept

(6,399 posts)
15. That's still not going to change the conversation though
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 09:33 AM
Apr 2016

Which is what I'm saying. His use of it will be just another shingle in the roof of his narrative about the economic side of things.

It won't stand out for your casual observer as anything. Sanders narrative doesn't get a lot of media attention as is since it's all overshadowed by Trump or polling numbers/delegates.

Policy always gets the tiny end of the stick in these things.

sofa king

(10,857 posts)
22. One major exception:
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 09:56 AM
Apr 2016

I'll bet every editor in the U.S. sent out the marching orders:

Find a way to tie all of this to Americans.

And of course they can't, easily, because most Americans never had to go any further than Nevada or Delaware to pull these shenanigans.

But that doesn't mean that someone won't try to pull information out of those places, and with Chinese and Russian help, it might happen sooner rather than later.

Peace Patriot

(24,010 posts)
40. You are forgetting that there are some back doors...
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 10:46 AM
Apr 2016

...by which our people, worried about their untenable lives and their children's lives amidst the collapsed American Dream, and hungry for information, and wondering what to do, and looking for honest leaders who will help, are finding out enough to vote, enthusiastically, for Bernie Sanders. Wonder of wonders! Blacked out of the Corrupt Media for six months, he is winning primaries and caucuses by gigantic margins and surging in polls, and amassing a campaign war chest that would be the envy of any presidential candidate, from millions of SMALL donors!

The internet back doors are changing the American electorate for the better. This is affecting the young the most, at present, but it is also spreading like wildfire among all demographics--uncensored information! alternative opinions! anti-establishment sentiment! leftist ideas! history at your fingertips! candidates' previous statements at your fingertips! collective consciousness and action!

Don't be so pessimistic! Most of the young just laugh at the Corrupt Media! This started with kids getting all their political information from John Stewart! Now they are informing each other thru social media. And many oldsters are catching on. We DON'T NEED the Corrupt Media any more.

Don't despair! There are a number of fast-moving web sites that will pick this info up and pass it to millions of people, in seconds. Internet political activists for Bernie Sanders. Internet news shows like TYT and Thom Hartmann, and many others--organized shows, and individuals' commentaries. They are the future. The Corporate Media is the past. Their days are numbered. Their grip on American consciousness is dying. We need to stop depending on them for our sense of what is real, for our sense of what we all agree upon, and for our collective identity as Americans, because those things are changing very fast and are no longer in the Corrupt Media's control.

Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
29. Hillary supporters care more about this not hurting her chances or how this trade deal was
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 10:10 AM
Apr 2016

terrible, I wonder where the priority would rest.

deacon_sephiroth

(731 posts)
26. No one is HANDING Bernie anything
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 10:06 AM
Apr 2016

He's worked for the betterment of his community and this country for about 60 years now, and he's been honest, diligent, dedicated, uncorrupted, and REAL the entire time. Where I come from we call that EARNING.

deacon_sephiroth

(731 posts)
60. neither did I
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 02:23 PM
Apr 2016

but I know there's a lot of people on here that don't seem to think he's right for the job, so I spoke up a little.

Nitram

(22,803 posts)
37. The media is always a convenient scapegoat.
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 10:35 AM
Apr 2016

But, in the end, the voters decide. Either Sanders is a movement or he is not a movement.

 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
53. So how do you explain the collapse of the party since the Turd Way took it over?
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 01:07 PM
Apr 2016

The republican media monopoly had nothing to do with that?

Nitram

(22,803 posts)
54. Collapse of the Party?
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 01:11 PM
Apr 2016

I don't know where you've been, but we're nearing the end of 8 years with a Democratic president, and will soon be starting a second 4 year-term with a Democratic president. The GOP is in complete uncontrolled chaos. If you think Republicans have a media monopoly, you must be living in Colorado. Have you ever heard of NPR?

 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
56. You should put the sarcasm tag on your post
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 01:28 PM
Apr 2016

There are 1200 or so AM radio stations in the US. About 15 of them air progressive talk. The other 1185 are all far right, republican-only propaganda, 24/7/52. that includes true blue areas like Chicago, SF, LA, and Boston.

We have lost so much ground in the congress, governors' mansions, and state houses since 1995 that we are barely alive.

If you think the party is what it once was, you must have been born in this century.

Nitram

(22,803 posts)
67. Right wing talk radio is the equivalent of the scandal press.
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 01:18 PM
Apr 2016

It might be included under the rubric of "media", but just barely.

d_legendary1

(2,586 posts)
58. This is the same media that
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 01:30 PM
Apr 2016

made Howard Dean look like a crazy person, Swiftboated Kerry, and gave Donald Trump all the time in the world to become a threat to the American public by running for office. Even Al Gore blames the media for the craziness in the 2016 elections.

But you're right. Despite the barrage of ads, the talking heads pumping up candidates, and sitcoms invoking politics into their shtick the American public votes for these people in the end.

 

FighttheFuture

(1,313 posts)
62. the media helps steer that decision in a major way, so it's NOT a scapegoat, but part of the
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 02:38 PM
Apr 2016

problem. To ignore it is the height of stupidity.

Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
41. I'm not sure what you mean...if you're talking about the law firm involved?
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 10:59 AM
Apr 2016

Then, no. I don't think anyone is suggesting Clinton is directly involved with them nor should they..the
deal goes back years and the criticism in part, allowed for abuse....thus Sanders warning.
Many Democrats opposed it at the time as well...there is a post here from 2011, NYT.

Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
48. They're negligent but I am hoping Bernie will make it difficult for them and the international
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 11:14 AM
Apr 2016

press too.

mwooldri

(10,303 posts)
50. It takes time to wade through the equivalent of 1/4 Library of Congress.
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 11:17 AM
Apr 2016

2 point something terabytes of data.

Panama Papers biggest scandal coming to air right now is how sanctioned countries and individuals have been using offshore shell companies to get around UN sanctions. Companies set up with their principal owners in Pyongyang as an example.

We may get some juicy American related bits soon.

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