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Nitram

(22,803 posts)
1. The article reads like a political screed blaming "neo-liberalism" for almost everything bad in the
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 10:59 AM
Apr 2016

world today. It provides no evidence for the teaser alleging Clinton's complicity in the Honduran coup, and ropes everybody from Ronald Reagan and Margaret Thatcher to Deng Xiaoping, Augosto Pinochet, and Hillary Clinton into the writer's wide ranging theory about the supposed part neo-liberalism plays in globalism and every other capitalist evil. The OP is basically a description of an enormous world-wide conspiracy - used here to cast doubt on Clinton's candidacy for president. One couldn't offer a proper rebuttal of the piece without writing a 10,000 word anti-screed.

Baobab

(4,667 posts)
2. Basically trade deals are exactly that, an attempt to take over the future world by locking us
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 11:12 AM
Apr 2016

in perpetuity into "already known to be broken" failing, rejected business models.


She should not get a free pass because she's been part of weaving a complicated web of deceit.



Nitram

(22,803 posts)
3. I suspect the benefits of the TTP far outweigh the downside.
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 01:07 PM
Apr 2016

One Example:
TPP includes the strongest labor and human rights protections of any trade agreement in history. For instance, it mandates that all TPP nations give workers the right to organize into unions and collectively bargain. It also completely eliminates forced and child labor and requires partner countries to have laws concerning minimum wages, hours of work, and occupational safety.[26] Furthermore, the U.S. made three separate agreements with countries that are especially lacking in labor standards: Malaysia agreed to implement significant reforms to combat human trafficking, and both Brunei and Communist Vietnam pledged to allow the full freedom of union activity.

Baobab

(4,667 posts)
5. That is what they said about Columbia isn't it? It turned out to be a total farce.
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 02:05 PM
Apr 2016

The trade deals are basically an attack by a new global "impunity class" on the entire planets people and all democracies.

fpublic

(58 posts)
6. You'll need those 10,000 words to be convincing
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 06:22 PM
Apr 2016

Your suspicion that trade deals are benign is only a hope that you won't be hurt.
The proven harms are not theoretical yet because you haven't been hurt by them, you "suspect" that corporations have your welfare in mind rather than their bottom line.

We have around 30 years of stagnant (middle class) and declining (working poor) wages proving the antisocial effect of neoliberalism. Are you deluded that that hasn't harmed you and your family?
We have challenges to national autonomy (labor, civil, and environmental issues) based on some corporation's "right" to make profit. When you have to breath polluted air so a coal company can persist, do you "suspect" the morbidity/mortality from SO4 is outweighed?
We pay outrageous costs for medication; how can you "suspect" it to be good for a huge class of americans to be priced out of medicine so sociopaths like Shrkeli can profit?

I suggest you sharpen your pencil. You'll need to go a long way into that 10,000 word anti-screed before your evidence (spare me your "suspicion&quot convinces me that neoliberalism is moral, beneficial, or even benign.

Nitram

(22,803 posts)
9. Every problem you list here has been caused by conservatives and the GOP.
Fri Apr 8, 2016, 01:23 PM
Apr 2016

Trade agreements have not caused any of them. Your obsession with "neoliberalism" has made you blind to the predation of Republican politicians. I hope ya'll wake up before we allow a Republican to get the White House.

 

Blue Meany

(1,947 posts)
7. I do think under the Obama administration there has been a concerted effort
Thu Apr 7, 2016, 08:55 PM
Apr 2016

to bring labor, environmental, and human rights standards to bear on trade agreements. But there are still several problems. First there is a long history of countries ignore these standards and even being pressure to do so by the State Department. The next President may very well resume this kind of foreign policy. Second, neoliberal policies cause a lot of disruption and social dislocation even when these standards are in place. Yes, free trade generates wealth, which is why economist like it. But it
does not distribute wealth in way that most people benefit. Up until now, there have been more losers than winners from free trade agreements. For example, in Colombia where the govt really did make efforts to alter the development of the palm oil industry ato be more envrionmentally and less disruptive of indegenous peoples, is still resulted in decreased income for farmers because prices for the product are determined externally.

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