State Department: Powell, Rice received classified info via personal email accounts
.. as with Clinton, these emails were classified after they had been sent/received by Powell and Rice.
http://www.cnn.com/2016/02/04/politics/hillary-clinton-email-classified-colin-powell-condoleezza-rice/
Washington (CNN)—Colin Powell and top staffers for Condoleezza Rice received classified information through personal email accounts, according to a new report from State Department investigators.
Hillary Clinton has received severe criticism -- particularly from Republicans and computer security experts -- for using her personal email account while serving as the nation's top diplomat under President Barack Obama. Thursday's revelation about the two secretaries of state under former President George W. Bush gave her supporters an opportunity to claim the Democratic presidential candidate was being singled out over the practice.
The emails were discovered during a State Department review of the email practices of the past five secretaries of state. It found that Powell received two emails that were classified and that the "immediate staff" working for Rice received 10 emails that were classified.
The information was deemed either "secret" or "confidential," according to the report.
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(70,242 posts)Floridanow
(74 posts)I read a number of posts related to Hillary Clinton and was disappointed by the venom and name calling. To be transparent, I plan to vote for Clinton during the SEC primary. But if Sanders gets the nomination, I will be full tilt behind Bernie. I absolutely don't want to wake up the day after general Election Day with a republican elected President.
Floridanow
(74 posts)There may have been a culture of using personal email accounts that go back through all SOS serving during the age of easy email account setup. Powell used one, Rice almost certainly used one and maybe Albright and Richardson likely used one.
Jarqui
(10,126 posts)It's far from the same situation. Powell and Rice (or her staff) used private email for material that was not classified at the time.
For you to believe Hillary did the same, one thing you have to accept, since she only had one email address (no .gov email address),
https://www.hillaryclinton.com/briefing/factsheets/2015/07/13/email-facts/
is that she never sent or received any information in any email that was already classified in her four years as Secretary of State. Think about that. Think about what the Secretary of State does and how impossible that scenario would be to come about given that information from foreigners is born classified.
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-clinton-emails-idUSKCN0QQ0BW20150821
Powell and Rice did not:
- have their own unsecured server at home storing state department emails - including over 1600 emails with classified information - some that were classified when she took possession of it
- exposed emails between the president and SoS through her unsecure server which are born confidential/classified
- have 29 (apparently the number has risen) top secret emails exposed over and above the other two that were beyond top secret
- expose emails from foreign countries that are born classified (classified the second they are created)
So there are quite of few things very different about what went on here with Hillary's emails compared with Powell & Rice. But Hillary didn't tell the American people that during the debate. She implied her situation was basically the same ... another lie. Clinging to Powell and Rice's situation was bogus and Hillary knew it.
Check out this little exchange in the press conference of Feb 4th
http://www.state.gov/r/pa/prs/dpb/2016/02/252161.htm
QUESTION: Right. So are you challenging sworn declarations from the CIA that they were top secret at the time of transmission?
MR KIRBY: As I said last week, it was at the request of the intelligence community that we specifically upgraded that traffic to top secret.
QUESTION: Okay, so you don’t dispute that.
MR KIRBY: If we had disputed it, we wouldn’t have upgraded it --
QUESTION: Okay.
John Kirby, Spokesperson at the state Department, acknowledged that there are sworn declarations from the CIA that said there were emails on Hillary's server that were top secret at the time of transmission and Kirby doesn't dispute those declarations (noted in Jan 14th letter link below).
https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/2693832/Letter-by-the-Intelligence-Agencies-Inspector.pdf
Hillary has denied doing this and the CIA has two sworn declarations she did that the State Department does not dispute.
Do Powell and Rice have "sworn declarations from the CIA that" their emails "were top secret at the time of transmission" ? Nope.
Would Hillary know what has been found? The IG says he's been updating her lawyer. And heck, it's in the news and on the State Department website.
I wouldn't put too much stock in Powell's or Rice's email situation. I realize that's what Hillary has tried to suck us into doing but that's another Clinton deception.
Floridanow
(74 posts)Facts are important. The State Department has pointed out that none of the email on Clinton's server was classified in any way when she handled it. Powell is stating the same and it is likely that Rice's staffers will say the same, as will Rice when she ultimately gets ensnarled.
Jarqui
(10,126 posts)the State Department on Thursday agreeing with the findings of the CIA that were written up by the Inspector General of the Intelligence Community - that there were top secret emails that were classified at the time of transmission. It's there in black and white.
Who are we to believe: you or the Inspector General of the intelligence Community?
The Inspector General of the intelligence Community scolded the State Department for continuing being in denial the emails were classified even after it had effectively been proven. So some of this was the State Department misleading the public with misleading answers.
My post also lays out why what Clinton claimed is virtually impossible - like a DNA test giving a wrong result.
It also lays out how little Clinton's situation has in common with Powell and Rice private emails.
Press Virginia
(2,329 posts)because she changed her story to say it wasn't Marked as such.
Her NDA specifically says she's responsible for both marked and unmarked classified information.
Even if she didn't send a reply to the e-mail, she had a responsibility to report the transmission when it was received.
I can lose my clearance and face fines/charges for leaving the wrong folder unattended on my own desk. This is far worse
Jarqui
(10,126 posts)was going to help her when it was seemingly inevitable early into this that they were going to find out?
I don't understand why she couldn't take the hit back when and stop this crap. "I made a mistake" or whatever. It would be almost forgotten by now I think - worst case, probable misdemeanor?
She started with that first PC where all kinds of stuff she said in it has been disproved ... she spun some more .. disproved ... spun some more .. disproved.
She was spinning again during the recent debate - knowing full well a bunch of people, including the authorities, knew she was lying. She's got the nerve of George W Bush and Dick Cheney to stand there on national TV, look straight into the camera and lie. She's proven she can be a type of dishonest commander in chief we're all too familiar with.
Now, she's pissed off a bunch of the folks looking into it through her denials and GOP innuendo. And she's put them to a lot of extra work. Some of them might want blood in return - a sentence of some kind.
This probably has to go down fairly soon. Maybe that's why she wanted Bernie put away quickly.
Then again, maybe she's already cut a deal. Who knows. Another Clinton scandal that makes your head spin.
Press Virginia
(2,329 posts)or being truthful.
At the very least she has proven to be incompetent in a role that requires safeguarding secrets.
I think there are going to he criminal charges coming out of this. Maybe not her but someone on her staff like Huma or Mills.
Jarqui
(10,126 posts)They have proof and are still gathering evidence.
She's been caught lying about it and in spite of the findings of the IG that everyone but her now accept - that emails containing material that was classified at the time were sent unsecured, she's still denying it happened for PR reasons even though they can now prove it did happen.
They have departments to run. They can't overlook this negligence of their practices and procedures and laws and then expect their staffs to adhere to them.
I also think she may serve up a sacrificial lamb to take the fall for her.
Jarqui
(10,126 posts)We note that none of the emails we reviewed had classification or dissemination markings, but some included IC-derived classified information and should have been handled as classified, appropriately marked, and transmitted via a secure network.
link to statement
The IC IG found four emails containing classified IC-derived information in a limited sample of 40 emails of the 30,000 emails provided by former Secretary Clinton. The four emails, which have not been released through the State FOIA process, did not contain classification markings and/or dissemination controls. These emails were not retroactively classified by the State Department; rather these emails contained classified information when they were generated and, according to IC classification officials, that information remains classified today. This classified information should never have been transmitted via an unclassified personal system.
http://online.wsj.com/public/resources/documents/23July2015_CN_SummaryofICIGsupport.PDF
"State personnel continue to deny the classified character of the released information despite a definitive determination from the IC Interagency FOIA process)"
The State Department tried "deny, deny, deny". That's part of the point of my post above for Feb 4th Press Conference. The State Department isn't denying it any more!!!
The FBI, the CIA, the IG of the State Department, the IG of the Intelligence Community and now, finally, the State Department itself all agree ... that Hillary transmitted material that was classified at the time of transmission.
The only one now left who doesn't agree with this ... is Hillary.
Game over.
Bill USA
(6,436 posts)Last edited Sun Feb 7, 2016, 06:32 PM - Edit history (3)
by that term.
This information which was released by the State Department would be considered by any rational person relevant information by which to evaluate the credibility of accusations, implied or explicit, that Hillary Clinton, in receiving information classified AFTER THE FACT (as were the emails received by Powell and Rice) was engaged in extraordinary and nefarious activities. The reported informaton indicating classified (after the fact) information was received by Powell and Rice is relevant information which shows that Clinton was NOT engaged in unusual and heinous activities. And of course, another thing which the GOP wants suckers to think is that Clinton is Guilty in a matter of State Department officials sending information TO Clinton and which was NOT CLASSIFIED AT THE TIME AND WAS NOT IDENTIFIED AS SUCH AT THE TIME. Somehow it escapes me how Clinton or Powell or Rice would be guilty of RECEIVING information that was SENT TO THEM BY STATE DEPARTMENT PERSONNEL. What were they supposed to do, telepathically know such information which would be classified in the future was about to be sent to them by Dept of State personnel, and call them up, or email them and tell them to NOT send the information?
This is factual information relevant to the Clinton email "scandal" (as the GOP and GOPersd 'for' Bernie would define it.) In the interest of fairness, it should be reiterated here that Bernie Sanders himself has said: "Nobody wants to hear about your damn emails." ... IOW, as far as Bernie Sanders is concerned, it's a synthetic scandal. There's nothing there that's scandalous. It's GOP propaganda. Thus I am forced to conclude that only the GOP and GOPers for Bernie want to continue to beat the drum for this pseudo-scandal.
Jarqui
(10,126 posts)"as far as Bernie Sanders is concerned, it's a synthetic scandal"
Now I understand why you support Hillary. You have something in common. You both have a problem uttering the truth. That is not Bernie's position at all. Step up and provide a link (I can save you the time because like your candidate, you're spinning BS)
Bernie Sanders: Hillary Clinton's Emails Deserve Scrutiny
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/bernie-sanders-hillary-clinton-emails_us_563ac204e4b0307f2cac16ef
“You get 12 seconds to say these things,” Sanders told The Wall Street Journal, referring to his comments at the debate. “There’s an investigation going on right now. I did not say, ‘End the investigation.’ That’s silly. ... Let the investigation proceed unimpeded.”
Bernie Sanders Calls Hillary Clinton's Emails 'A Very Serious Issue'
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/bernie-sanders-hillary-clinton-emails_us_56ae254be4b077d4fe8e7023
"Nope, nope. That is not, I think, a fair assessment," Sanders replied on CNN's "State of the Union." "That is, I think, a very serious issue. There is a legal process taking place, I do not want to politicize that issue. It is not my style."
I think you're reading some supportive spin and embracing it.
The CIA has provided sworn declarations that information was emailed that was already classified at the time of transmission. Both Inspector Generals of the State Department & the Intelligence Community agree with that. And recently, the State Department, who had been playing political games in denial, admitted as much - just last week.
I've addressed this issue a few places, recently :
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1016&pid=143688
and
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1016&pid=143700
Hillary now the only party directly involved still pretending she didn't transmit information that was classified at the time of transmission. "Sworn declarations" by CIA security specialists is admissible authoritative evidence for court.
They've got the blue stained dress on this Hillary lie. The game is over.
Bill USA
(6,436 posts)I was wrong, Bernie said: "Americans are sick and tired of hearing about about your damn emails."
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/bernie-sanders-hillary-clinton-emails_us_561db703e4b028dd7ea5ada3
Yes, i see
Bernie Sanders Now Says There Are ‘Valid Questions’ About Hillary’s Damn Emails
http://www.mediaite.com/online/bernie-sanders-now-says-there-are-valid-questions-about-hillarys-damn-emails/
that's too bad, because he's full of shit as I explained in other comments to this thread.
Bernie seems to be endorsing the GOP's McCarthyist campaign of 'scandals' against Clinton. It's too bad. It doesn't say much when your campaign consists on McCarthyist attacks on your opponent. It's an admission you're hurting for and substance in your appeal.
He's not endorsing GOP's scandals. He staying out of it - when he could have scored big political points. He's advocating for letting the FBI, the CIA and Inspector Generals of the State Department and Intelligence Community do their jobs.
The GOP didn't make Hillary put State Department emails on her home server. So it's not their fault. Hillary is the one primarily responsible for this email mess. It was her call and her actions.
Bernie advocates letting the FBI, the CIA and Inspector Generals of the State Department and Intelligence Community carry on collecting the evidence and reporting their findings as they should. No GOP conspiracy there. Evidence collection & legal conclusions.
Unfortunately for Hillary, as I said above, they've already got the stained blue dress for this case. Contrary to Hillary's claims, they have evidence material that was classified at the time of transmission was emailed with Hillary's private server. No GOP conspiracy there either. Just evidence and facts.
They need to finish their evidence collection and their damage control from what Hillary has leaked and then determine what should be done, if anything, to those who let this happen. Again, no GOP conspiracy, just following proper procedure. The FBI may make indictment recommendations that the Attorney General will have to decide whether she'll proceed. Again, no GOP conspiracy there - that's the law - how it's supposed to proceed.
But again, these were the links I was asking for - not links about what Bernie said.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1016&pid=143773
Bill USA
(6,436 posts)Last edited Tue Feb 16, 2016, 04:16 PM - Edit history (2)
YOu have done a great job twisting everything I said into a perfect representation of the fantasies of which your conservative Alternate Reality is built.
For anyone else who may be reading this, let's get back to the real world and what I said:
For what it's worth, the state department sent the emails with information later deemed by them to be Classified to Powell's, Rice's and Clinton's personal emails accounts. This was indicated in OP which you refuse to admit to your personal Alternate Reality.
Sanders is choosing to parrot the GOP McCarthyist attacks - that if there were classified info in emails sent to Clinton she is guilty of knowingly passing along classified information - even though it wasn't marked "Classified" at the time she received them form DoS. Sanders apparently has decided his end (political) justfies any means. Not good philosophy.
The Hillary Clinton e-mail ‘scandal’ that isn’t
Does Hillary Clinton have a serious legal problem because she may have transmitted classified information on her private e-mail server? After talking with a half-dozen knowledgeable lawyers, I think this “scandal” is overstated. Using the server was a self-inflicted wound by Clinton, but it’s not something a prosecutor would take to court.
“It’s common” that people end up using unclassified systems to transmit classified information, said Jeffrey Smith, a former CIA general counsel who’s now a partner at Arnold & Porter, where he often represents defendants suspected of misusing classified information.
“There are always these back channels,” Smith explained. “It’s inevitable, because the classified systems are often cumbersome and lots of people have access to the classified e-mails or cables.” People who need quick guidance about a sensitive matter often pick up the phone or send a message on an open system. They shouldn’t, but they do.
“It’s common knowledge that the classified communications system is impossible and isn’t used,” said one former high-level Justice Department official. Several former prosecutors said flatly that such sloppy, unauthorized practices, although technically violations of law, wouldn’t normally lead to criminal cases.
First, experts say, there’s no legal difference whether Clinton and her aides passed sensitive information using her private server or the official “state.gov” account that many now argue should have been used. Neither system is authorized for transmitting classified information. Second, prosecution of such violations is extremely rare. Lax security procedures are taken seriously, but they’re generally seen as administrative matters.
Potential criminal violations arise when officials knowingly disseminate documents marked as classified to unauthorized officials or on unclassified systems, or otherwise misuse classified materials. That happened in two cases involving former CIA directors that are cited as parallels for the Clinton e-mail issue, but are quite different. John Deutch was pardoned in 2001 for using an unsecured CIA computer at his home to improperly access classified material; he reportedly had been prepared to plead guilty to a misdemeanor. David Petraeus pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor in April for “knowingly” removing classified documents from authorized locations and retaining them at “unauthorized locations.” Neither case fits the fact pattern with the Clinton e-mails.
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Bill USA
(6,436 posts)interpretation of what Bernie said in first debate --
my own statement which you mystifyingly thought (or were you pretending to) was a quote from Bernie:
you asked here: 15. You want to provide a link to that quote. (I doubt it matters... but)
"as far as Bernie Sanders is concerned, it's a synthetic scandal"
NOTE: the above statement is YOURS. the above statement is what you asked a link for. The above statement was NOT A QUOTE. IT WAS MY OWN STATEMENT.
Note I did not use quotes around what was my own statement. Understand that quote marks ([font size="5"]" "[/font] ) are placed just before and after a statement that someone else made which you are referring to.
The words you referred to were my own ...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1016&pid=143774
I did mis-quote Bernie, which I admitted was wrong, as saying "Nobody wants to hear about your damn emails."
I corrected the quote here as: "Americans are sick and tired of hearing about about your damn emails."
with the link:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/bernie-sanders-hillary-clinton-emails_us_561db703e4b028dd7ea5ada3
Bill USA
(6,436 posts)in the use of. To wit: "You both have a problem uttering the truth." I know GOPers seem unable to get along without it.
This sophomoric insult is the kind of shit the GOP are so good at. The GOP also know that if you repeat a lie often enough, people (especially the GOP base) will start to think it's the truth. You obviously appreciate the unpleasant accuracy of this adage.
So, you will continue to repeat your character assassinations and allegations that are entirely imaginary because you know with many people it works. With enough repetitions they will start to believe it's true. And if you are successful, Bernie will be the Democratic nominee and Trump or Cruz or some godawful fascist idiot will occupy the White House next year.
Heaven Help us!!
I've already devoted too much time to your 'misunderstandings' and twisting of what I have posted, so have a nice day, and say "Hi" to Karl Rove for me. 
Bill USA
(6,436 posts)email accounts on commercial servers managed by private - NON GOVERNMENT - entities. THIS IS MUCH MORE UNSECURE THAN CLINTON'S PERSONAL SERVER BECAUSE IT WAS PUTTING ANY INFORMATION IN THEIR EMAILS IN THE HANDS OF A NON-GOVERNMENT PRIVATELY OWNED AND CONTROLLED COMPANY.
This is like putting government emails at the disposal of Yahoo or Google-mail service. Any company which has an email service HAS PERSONELL WHO ARE ADMINISTRATORS AND SECURITY PERSONNEL (WHO CAN ACCESS ANY EMAILS IN THEIR SYSTEM FOR PURPOSES OF MANAGING THE EMAIL SERVICE FOR EFFICIENCY (TO KEEP IT FROM CRASHING, OR RUNNING SLOW) AND TO MAINTAIN SECURITY FROM HACKERS).
GUESS WHAT? THE SECURITY PERSONNEL WORKING FOR THESE PRIVATE EMAIL PROVIDERS DO NOT HAVE GOVERNMENT SECURITY CLEARANCES. SO IN THE EVENTUALITY THAT CLASSIFIED INFO IS SENT VIA THESE COMMERCIAL SERVICES NON GOVERNMENT PERSONNEL COULD, IN THE PERFORMANCE OF THEIR DUTIES, BE OPENING GOV. EMAILS AND READING SAID CLASSIFIED INFORMATION.
With Clinton's server the tech support she had was a Government employed information technology specialist.
NOTE: 1) GOVERNMENT EMPLOYEE,
......... 2) PERSONALLY KNOWN TO CLINTON,
THAT IS: ONE PERSON - NOT SEVERAL DOZENS (a number possibly reaching into three figures depending on the size of the email service provider) OF PEOPLE [FONT color="red"]AS WITH A COMMERCIAL EMAIL PROVIDER[/font].
HAVING A COMMERCIAL EMAIL ACCOUNT AND RECEIVING GOVERNMENT BUSINESS WHICH AS WE NOW KNOW INCLUDED CLASSIFIED INFO (AS DEFINED BY DEPT OF STATE - i.e, CLASSIFIED AFTER THE FACT) IS BY DEFINITION UNSECURE, NOT UNDER THE CONTROL OF GOVERNMENT PERSONNEL. YOU CAN'T GET MORE UNSECURE THAN THAT.
CLINTON BY HAVING A SERVER - GOVERNMENT CONTROLLED - BY HER AND THE GOVERNMENT IT SPECIALIST, WAS USING A SYSTEM FAR MORE SECURE THAN BUSH ADMINISTRATION WHITE HOUSE ADVISORS AND SECRETARIES OF STATE, COLIN POWELL AND CONDOLEEZA RICE - WHO DID IN FACT USE COMMERCIAL EMAIL ACCOUNTS WHICH DID HANDLE GOVERNMENT INFORMATION AND AS WE NOW KNOW SOME OF WHICH WAS CLASSIFIED INFORMATION (as deemed later).
If you prefer to think of Powell and Rice not using personal email accounts in your own Alernate Universe, But in the universe the rest of us live in they did in fact use personal email accounts.
Jarqui
(10,126 posts)Bill USA
(6,436 posts)Colin Powell relied on personal emails while secretary of state
http://www.politico.com/story/2015/03/colin-powell-personal-email-secretary-of-state-115707
“He was not aware of any restrictions nor does he recall being made aware of any over the four years he served at State,” the statement says. “He sent emails to his staff generally via their State Department email addresses. These emails should be on the State Department computers. He might have occasionally used personal email addresses, as he did when emailing to family and friends
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Colin Powell and Condoleezza Rice used private accounts for classified emails
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/feb/04/colin-powell-condoleezza-rice-private-email-accounts-classified-hillary-clinton
Hillary Clinton’s campaign claimed vindication in the long-running emails saga on Thursday when it emerged that two Republican secretaries of state had also received information later deemed classified on personal accounts.
The state department watchdog found that both Colin Powell and Condoleezza Rice, America’s top diplomats under president George W Bush, were sent sensitive national security information to nongovernment email addresses.
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Jarqui
(10,126 posts)Is there a link or backup to this:
This information which was released by the State Department would be considered by any rational person relevant information by which to evaluate the credibility of accusations, implied or explicit, that Hillary Clinton, in receiving information classified AFTER THE FACT (as were the emails received by Powell and Rice) was engaged in extraordinary and nefarious activities. The reported informaton indicating classified (after the fact) information was received by Powell and Rice is relevant information which shows that Clinton was NOT engaged in unusual and heinous activities. And of course, another thing which the GOP wants suckers to think is that Clinton is Guilty in a matter of State Department officials sending information TO Clinton and which was NOT CLASSIFIED AT THE TIME AND WAS NOT IDENTIFIED AS SUCH AT THE TIME. Somehow it escapes me how Clinton or Powell or Rice would be guilty of RECEIVING information that was SENT TO THEM BY STATE DEPARTMENT PERSONNEL. What were they supposed to do, telepathically know such information which would be classified in the future was about to be sent to them by Dept of State personnel, and call them up, or email them and tell them to NOT send the information?
And links to substantiate this post:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1016143680#post14
From an authority of some kind - something credible.
Bill USA
(6,436 posts)lost in a fugue state musing in your own Alternate Universe you might have been aware of reports of the fact that the emails reported on in the press as HRC's emails were sent by personnel at the dept of state TO HRC. These emails it was further reported on, were only deemed classified - by Dept of state - recently - long after they were sent to and seen by HRC.
THese are basic facts of the situation and which should be known to anyone commenting on this, or any other, site. Consequently, I have no obligation to point you in the direction of articles which anybody who was not in a coma over the last year, would be aware of as being reported widely in newspapers, television 'news' programs and all over the web.
If you are in fact ignorant of any facts I described in the following paragraph I do not feel I need to take my time to educate you as to some well known facts.
[div class="excerpt" style="border: 1px solid #000000;"]This information which was released by the State Department would be considered by any rational person relevant information by which to evaluate the credibility of accusations, implied or explicit, that Hillary Clinton, in receiving information classified AFTER THE FACT (as were the emails received by Powell and Rice) was engaged in extraordinary and nefarious activities. The reported informaton indicating classified (after the fact) information was received by Powell and Rice is relevant information which shows that Clinton was NOT engaged in unusual and heinous activities. And of course, another thing which the GOP wants suckers to think is that Clinton is Guilty in a matter of State Department officials sending information TO Clinton and which was NOT CLASSIFIED AT THE TIME AND WAS NOT IDENTIFIED AS SUCH AT THE TIME. Somehow it escapes me how Clinton or Powell or Rice would be guilty of RECEIVING information that was SENT TO THEM BY STATE DEPARTMENT PERSONNEL. What were they supposed to do, telepathically know such information which would be classified in the future was about to be sent to them by Dept of State personnel, and call them up, or email them and tell them to NOT send the information?
Jarqui
(10,126 posts)can't back it up. Got it.
Bill USA
(6,436 posts)..IF you are asking about the employ of security personnel by commercial email service providers, this is a fact of life which I thought most people were aware of. I suggest you research this yourself. THis is not esoteric knowledge. Ask anybody who has been close to information technology in the firm in which they are employed or as provided by contractors. Before you contract with a IT firm - whether it's an email service provider or other kinds of data-processing support - you should ask for and the contractor trying to get your business should either volunteer (it's usually in their proposal data package) or be fully prepared to answer question's regarding data security and how they provide it.
ejbr
(5,856 posts)why they never ran for president 
Jester Messiah
(4,711 posts)Okay, I am absolutely not signing up for a 3rd term of Chimpy. Full-stop.
