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struggle4progress

(118,295 posts)
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 04:35 PM Feb 2016

Oregon refuge takeover sheds light on hard times for rural economy

Jon Talton
Originally published February 6, 2016 at 8:00 am

... “To me, what is important is that the refuge has really listened and taken a more collaborative approach,” cattleman Fred Otley said. “Automatically, that helps build better relations with the community” ...

Harney has 10 percent fewer jobs than in the 1970s, while Oregon as a whole has 75 percent more. Poverty rates are high and incomes are weak.

The biggest culprit cited is the closing of mills, with old-growth trees cut down, restrictions on some logging of federal lands and cheaper Canadian imports. Seven mills closed in Harney County. The only one remaining in eastern Oregon is in John Day ...

But extraction-based economies play out. Ghost towns dot the West as reminders. On top of that, Burns is unusually isolated. Markets are more difficult to reach ...


http://www.seattletimes.com/business/real-estate/oregon-refuge-takeover-sheds-light-on-hard-times-for-rural-economy/

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Oregon refuge takeover sheds light on hard times for rural economy (Original Post) struggle4progress Feb 2016 OP
This guys kidding, right? catnhatnh Feb 2016 #1
One point of the article is that, although the militia complaints might reflect local hard times, struggle4progress Feb 2016 #2
The Cliff Bentz analysis that the land can be better Used is CRAP. Ford_Prefect Feb 2016 #3
I agree struggle4progress Feb 2016 #4

catnhatnh

(8,976 posts)
1. This guys kidding, right?
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 07:08 PM
Feb 2016

This could have been a nice regular article on hard times in anywhere USA. But what does it have to do with armed out of state "militias" that staged a standoff on federal property to protest a guy with a 12,000 acre ranch being jailed for multiple arsons???

... “To me, what is important is that the refuge has really listened and taken a more collaborative approach,” cattleman Fred Otley said.

Really-that's some collaborative empty acres....Well, empty except for four armed drunks.

struggle4progress

(118,295 posts)
2. One point of the article is that, although the militia complaints might reflect local hard times,
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 07:58 PM
Feb 2016

the refuge had actually done a good job of building bridges to the local community

Ford_Prefect

(7,901 posts)
3. The Cliff Bentz analysis that the land can be better Used is CRAP.
Sat Feb 6, 2016, 11:35 PM
Feb 2016

Last edited Sun Feb 7, 2016, 12:47 AM - Edit history (4)

The reason the land at the refuge was turned into managed land was that at the time of its endowment it was barren nearly water-less waste that had been trampled into dust by over-grazing. It was removed from general public use to provide an area of safe passage for migrating birds which had been severely impacted by the same overgrazing practices. The fool who believes that land must serve a mechanical economic need has obscured the economic impact of the migrating fowl and the contribution to the state and local economy by tourist dollars.

In fact the only reason ranching remains possible in areas like Eastern Oregon is the success of BLM and Dept of Forestry management. When the land was set aside the ranchers had almost exhausted it and their future.

Those vested in reducing the land to its least mechanical and economic functions have no apparent plan for the future of that land beyond the next profit statement. What happens to the people living in those areas once the minerals and trees are gone? What will their herds eat and drink once the grazing areas are ruined from over use and the runoff has nothing to hold it on the land? There are much better plans in many places showing how the land may be saved and used more wisely than slash, burn, and dig. There are better long term development plans for rural areas like this one than one more mining slag pile.

Some have suggested that the land shouldn't be used for commerce at all and that it has far higher value as an ecological balance to the enormous parts of planet which have already been exploited, much as the rain forest areas of South America do. One economic value for this kind of application is the work involved in protecting and managing the land.

There are Hundreds of small towns in the Western states that stand ghostly testimony to the results of short sighted development for mining and cattle. Much of eastern Montana has a string of ghost towns from the period when the Railroad companies encouraged city dwellers with no concept of agriculture to come to an area which gets only a few inches more rain than the Sahara and engage in "Dry Land Farming". Most of those towns lasted less than 25 years.

I won't go into just how much water it takes to grow cattle. There are several good estimates that can be found online. I won't address the damage to marginal topsoil done by grazing domestic cattle. That too is only a google search away.

The high desert areas of the Western states like the land where the refuge is sited are marginal for native wild creatures as it is. Asking it to tolerate more disruptive human activity or increased domestic grazing is a death sentence to all the creatures living there as well as the humans nearby.

All hat, No cattle refers to someone who talks like a rancher but has no experience of the world cattle inhabit other than perhaps from the seat of a pickup. Those who understand the need to balance the use of the land cattle and other creatures inhabit are very aware of how fragile the land is and where the water goes when that balance is not respected. When the water is gone all the creatures are threatened whether they have wings, 4 legs, 2 legs or no legs at all, including Conservative Republican Legislators.

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