Turkey Has Destroyed Russia’s Hope of Western Cooperation

[polly7]

by Paul Craig Roberts / November 24th, 2015

Throughout the entire Washington orchestrated conflicts in the Middle East, Africa, and Ukraine, the Russian government has spoken reasonably and responded in a diplomatic manner to the many provocations. The Russian government relied on European governments realizing that Europe does not benefit from conflicts generated by Washington and separating themselves from a policy that is against their interests. But Europe proved to be a collection of American vassals, not independent countries capable of independent foreign policies.

In its campaign against ISIL in Syria, the Russian government relied on the agreement made with NATO countries to avoid engaging in the air. Now Turkey has violated this agreement.

I will be surprised if the Russian government any longer places any trust in the words of the West and any hope in diplomacy with the West. By now the Russian government and the Russian people will have learned that the Wolfowitz doctrine means what it says and is in force against Russia.

From the Ukrainian attack on Crimea’s power supply and the blackout that is affecting Crimea, the Russian government has also learned that Washington’s puppet government in Kiev intends further conflict with Russia.

Full article: http://dissidentvoice.org/2015/11/turkey-has-destroyed-russias-hope-of-western-cooperation/

[Tarheel_Dem]

1. Yeah, well the GOP hearts Pooty-Poot.

Paul Craig Roberts is an American economist and blogger. He served for one year as an Assistant Secretary of the Treasury for Economic Policy in the Reagan administration. He is a former editor and columnist for the Wall Street Journal, Business Week, and Scripps Howard News Service.

[polly7]

2. Ah ........... I knew you'd show up first with your 'pooty-poot' bullshit.

Need a tissue for that foam?

[forest444]

12. I'm with you, Polly. We should never lose sight of the big picture.

Including among other truths that the West and Russia must stand together in these truly scary times.

And that unfortunately there are many in NATO who would be only too happy to do just about anything to prevent that from happening.

I couldn't care less what GOP tea nuts think about this or that, and neither should Tarheel Dem.

[Judi Lynn]

14. More than a one-ply, for sure. n/t

[Tarheel_Dem]

17. I guess that just makes me as predictable as you and Paul Craig Roberts, huh?

[scscholar]

3. You just know that the Republicans...

were behind this. Were behind this.

[TexasProgresive]

4. the Russian government relied on the agreement made with NATO countries to avoid engaging in the air

The fighter bomber was in Turkish airspace, was it not? No country that has air defense capabilities will allow a breach of its borders by another country unless they gave over flight permission. Just like the USSR shot down the KAL airliner. This was and maybe is the same protocol in the US.

[polly7]

5. It was in Turkish airspace, reportedly, for 17 seconds and shot down in SYRIAN airspace. nt.

http://news.yahoo.com/russian-jet-hit-inside-syria-incursion-turkey-u-010811956.html

[TexasProgresive]

6. Too bad.

That's the way it is. Did the Turks launch their attack while the Russian was in Turkey and then the Russian tried to evade and ended up in Syrian airspace?

[polly7]

7. Shoots your theory all to hell, doesn't it?

Too bad that two men were killed to leave families and loved ones devastated. But they're the hated Russians, so all's good.

Did the Turks warn them - what did they claim - 15? times (in 17 seconds, no less) and the Russians did as they were supposed to and left?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10141270755

[TexasProgresive]

8. Who killed the Russians?

Syrians.

[polly7]

9. Turkey. "Turkish military shoots down Russian fighter jet over Syria"

Turkish military shoots down Russian fighter jet over Syria

Last Updated Nov 24, 2015 2:12 PM EST

LONDON -- Turkey shot down a Russian fighter jet over Syria Tuesday saying the Su-24 jet's pilots violated Turkish airspace and failed to heed multiple warnings to leave.

A U.S. official told CBS News that radar tracking confirmed the Russian plane was in Turkish airspace, saying, "it was close," but it did cross the border.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/russian-su-24-fighter-jet-shot-down-syria-turkey-airspace-violation/

[TexasProgresive]

10. The information about this incident is unreliable

Considering the history of Russia violating the airspace of other nations I tend to believe the Turks. I'm am not a fan of the current regime in Turkey. The Turks claim to have made the warnings before the jet enter their airspace, not in the short time the plane was actually in Turkey.

Believe what you want, but there is no excuse for an armed aircraft to fly into another country without permission.

[polly7]

11. I believe your 'information' is unreliable, distorted by your hatred of the dreaded Russia.

Oh ............ and, glass houses and all.

Really, no comparison considering the last 15 years of lying invasions, regime change, torture, black sites, millions and millions of lives destroyed, disruption of the whole ME and NA CAUSING every bit of what we're seeing today. Purposeful. Perpetual war.

[IsItJustMe]

13. I have coined a new term from what I perceive as a growing support for Putin.

Since Russia is no longer communist, I can't call it communism. So I call the folks that believe Putin and Russia are some kind of victims in all this PUTINISTS.

Now I know that our government has had, and continues to have serious issues. And yet I would trust Putin and the propaganda that he puts out no further than I could throw him.

I love my country but I damned sure don't trust our politicians, and that applies double for Putin.

[Chan790]

16. This.

Something I had to learn a long time ago was to divorce my hatred of evil people as world leaders from my feelings about the nations they lead.

I like Russians, I've known some very nice Russian citizens in my life...Putin may be the worst human being alive. The man's aspirations and cruelty exceed Stalin's even if thankfully his capacity does not. Holding Putin against Russians is like blaming Iraqi citizens for Saddam's sadism; nonsensical.

[Judi Lynn]

15. Very helpful article. Thank you. n/t