Turkey supports ISIS

[SHRED]

There is some thought that Turkey is buying oil from ISIS on the cheap and then reselling it for big profits. Russia took out an oil convoy. Now we have a Russian fighter jet shot down by Turkey.

And then there is the Kurds...what a mess.


ISIS survives largely because Turkey allows it to: the evidence

https://undercoverinfo.wordpress.com/2015/11/20/isis-survives-largely-because-turkey-allows-it-to-the-evidence/


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[newblewtoo]

1. Highly recommended read

bookmarked for later to explore its extensive links more fully. Looks like Turkey has dirty hands at the very least. After downing a Russian jet I imagine the pucker factor is running pretty high in Turkey at the moment.

[darkangel218]

2. Well, its evident that they do,

Since they're shooting down the planes fighting ISIS. How much more clear than that could they be?.

[jeff47]

4. The plane was bombing anti-Assad rebels, not ISIS.

The majority of Russia's bombing has been against anti-Assad rebels, not ISIS. Because Russia is acting as Assad's air force.

[darkangel218]

5. O..K. Who are the anti Asaad forces then?

Nothing to do with the Islamic State?

[jeff47]

6. This particular group of rebels are Syrians that are ethnically Turkish (Turkmen).

It has nothing directly to do with the Islamic State, because the Islamic State isn't in that part of Syria.

But politics in the area are extremely complex. So it overall it has to do with these Turkmen, Assad's regime, the rebel factions, the Kurds, the brewing civil war in Turkey and ISIS.

[darkangel218]

7. Oh please..

Turkey has proven time and time again that they are not really wanting to fight ISIS. Now they're even shutting down Russian planes. It can't be any more clearer than that.

[jeff47]

8. Why were the Russian planes dropping bombs on people who aren't ISIS then?

ISIS isn't in that part of Syria. How, specifically, was this plane fighting ISIS by dropping bombs on people who are not ISIS?

[darkangel218]

10. How much do you wanna bet that Turkey will never participate

In a coalition against ISIS? They don't want to fight them, period.
Turkey should be kicked out of NATO. And the only reason they're not is because of their strategic position, which really is useless to us considering their actions.
Turkey will never put boots on the ground to fight ISIS ( if it will ever be asked of them).
Their intentions are crystal clear.

[jeff47]

11. Of course they won't. Turkey needs ISIS to keep the Kurds from forming their own country.

Because if the Kurds form their own country, about 1/3rd of Turkey will try to secede in order to join it. Of course Turkey prefers ISIS to civil war.

But that doesn't change that Russia is bombing anti-Assad rebels more than ISIS, and in this particular case they were bombing Turkmen anti-Assad rebels and then violated Turkey's airspace.

Hence my statement above about the politics being complex. There are at least 5 sides to this war, each with their own competing goals.

[darkangel218]

16. Turkey needs ISIS*

For that alone they shouldn't be called allies. Anyone who uses and protects a terrorist organization should not be our ally or part of the NATO. Period.

[jeff47]

18. Guess what? It then gets more complex.

Because you throw Turkey out of NATO over this, and we lose our bases in Turkey, from which we are fighting ISIS. Shunned Turkey would probably turn to Russia or possibly Iran (religious conflict may prevent that though).

Which then makes the Syria situation even more complex - would Russia stop propping up Assad if they didn't need Syria for their Mediterranean bases?

And would Greece let us rebuild our Turkish bases there? They'd like the cash, but have not been particularly helpful in the conflicts in the area.

[bemildred]

19. Getting in a war with Russia seems likely to get kind of messy too.

Personally, I think slapping Erdogan around for trying to drag his "allies" into a stupid war is the right idea.

Turkey we can still be friends with, Erdogan is not Turkey, he just another demagogue.

[Xolodno]

20. That would be dicey at the least....

Armenia is allied with Russia and have no love of Turkey. Russia would have to choose between the two and given Armenia is closer to Russia geographic wise and Turkey isn't a reliable ally due to its "Ottoman Empire" complex, doubt much of a friendship there.

Greece would love to see Turkey get the boot however. If they did, they probably be a better NATO ally as a result...instead of being the most likely ally to drop out of NATO...

Turkey's only value to NATO are the bases, I suspect a lot of shouting at Turkey's direction is going on behind the scenes. They really picked a bad time to do this with Hollande in DC and Putin in Jordan.

[Alittleliberal]

27. Our OWN government

Has seriously contemplated arming Al-Qaeda to fight ISIS. This whole situation is such a mess, noone's hands are clean.

[polly7]

14. They are training and funding them and have been since the start. nt.

[darkangel218]

12. Oh, and did you see this?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027377519

[jeff47]

15. Yes. I'm amused by the concern for the helpless in parachutes, but not the helpless on the ground.

[jeff47]

22. No, the civilians Russia is killing via their bombing.

Russia is using "dumb" bombs. They miss a lot. That means a whole lot of people dying for each evil, terrible jihadist they kill.

[Alittleliberal]

26. There are several

And they all have different goals and enemies. That's what makes this so complicated. They pretty much all hate IS.

[jeff47]

3. Well yeah. Turkey needs someone to prevent the Kurds from forming their own country.

'Cause if there is a Kurdistan, about 1/3rd of Turkey will try to secede to join it.

[bemildred]

9. I have $10 that says Erdogan gets some of the profits from ISIS oil trafficked through Turkey. nt

[polly7]

13. I won't bet you because I know you're probably right. nt.

[darkangel218]

17. +1

[flamingdem]

24. His son has a whole operation going making millions

don't have a link but this will be in the news.

[Aerows]

25. Please a sitting Senator said in January

that Turkey was buying oil from ISIS. This is not new news. I can't remember what Senator it was, but we've been turning a blind eye to it.

You can't NOT know that oil is being transferred. The oil fairy doesn't just make it suddenly appear from one place to another. It's a fairly obvious operation.

[tech3149]

28. Be careful not to expose too many facts not in agreement with

the Washington consensus. It might qualify you as an enemy of the state.