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struggle4progress

(118,332 posts)
Fri Nov 20, 2015, 03:10 PM Nov 2015

What the Hell Is Going on With Ben Carson?

BY JEB LUND
November 20, 2015

... Thursday Carson denied that longtime friend Armstrong Williams has anything to do with his campaign, despite the fact that Williams is his business manager and has spoken as a representative for his campaign many times ...

... Tuesday his campaign tweeted out his anti-refugee vow .. along with a map of the United States that looks like someone played Tetris with New England, blocked it up on the right side of New York somehow, then lost the game ...

Years ago, Carson delivered a commencement address in which he stated his "personal theory…that <the Biblical patriarch Joseph> built the pyramids to store grain" ...

... Carson .. wound up defending a story about a class he took that didn't exist, in which he wasn't awarded $10 for his honesty after retaking an exam that didn't burn ...

Being an ace doctor — an ace surgeon especially — is a helluva drug ... It's possible that it's been decades since Ben Carson heard the word "no" in any meaningful way. Possessed of both incredible talent and the authority of being director of pediatric neurosurgery at Johns Hopkins, Ben Carson might have stopped registering the objections, input or even the basic reality of ideas originating outside of Ben Carson sometime in the mid-Eighties ...


http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/what-the-hell-is-going-on-with-ben-carson-20151120?page=5

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What the Hell Is Going on With Ben Carson? (Original Post) struggle4progress Nov 2015 OP
Have I told you lately that — Ben Carson is a wacko!? immoderate Nov 2015 #1
I can't think of any drugs that can do as much damage to a brain ThoughtCriminal Nov 2015 #2
He is ..... Botany Nov 2015 #3
Ha!!! kairos12 Nov 2015 #22
When one bases their life around believing absurdities, this is the typical result. cleanhippie Nov 2015 #4
I say this cautiously but he seems like a drug addict. glinda Nov 2015 #5
I agree... MMTampa Nov 2015 #7
Religion is his drug. cleanhippie Nov 2015 #8
methinks the brain surgeon could use a brain scan rurallib Nov 2015 #6
What if it comes back negative for brains? Fuddnik Nov 2015 #9
Magic pyramids, dreams of a gangsta life, pretend soldiering, etc... Tarc Nov 2015 #10
Do you know what colleges he attended? Some of this could jwirr Nov 2015 #11
Undergrad Yale. Medical Degree University of Michigan. struggle4progress Nov 2015 #14
Then I don't think that is the problem. They are both good jwirr Nov 2015 #18
And Michigan medical school is one of the best in the country. nt longship Nov 2015 #19
Good piece. Here a couple of MDs respond to Carson bizarro nature. HuckleB Nov 2015 #12
Ben has the "God Syndrome", which is "I am a healer so therefore I am closer to God than those Dont call me Shirley Nov 2015 #13
Fundamental Christianity is what's koo-koo about Ben Carson vlyons Nov 2015 #15
Excellent take on Dr Ben Spacey and his Doctor God Syndrome. nt Hekate Nov 2015 #16
To be fair LiberalLovinLug Nov 2015 #17
When it gets to the point the Republicans want to drag out yuiyoshida Nov 2015 #20
I am 43% inclined to have him run. kairos12 Nov 2015 #21
I'm no doctor, but... Nonhlanhla Nov 2015 #23

ThoughtCriminal

(14,047 posts)
2. I can't think of any drugs that can do as much damage to a brain
Fri Nov 20, 2015, 04:03 PM
Nov 2015

than living in a right-wing bubble. Meth addicts have a better grip on reality.

cleanhippie

(19,705 posts)
4. When one bases their life around believing absurdities, this is the typical result.
Fri Nov 20, 2015, 04:37 PM
Nov 2015

Delusion begets delusion.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
11. Do you know what colleges he attended? Some of this could
Fri Nov 20, 2015, 05:34 PM
Nov 2015

be explained by a religious school. In my small community we had three grade schools - the public school, a Christian Reform school that was taught by high school graduates and a Lutheran school that was taught by 4 year college educated teachers who were certified by the states. There was quite a difference in the kind of knowledge that the three different groups of students possessed by the time they entered high school.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
18. Then I don't think that is the problem. They are both good
Fri Nov 20, 2015, 06:08 PM
Nov 2015

schools. Just wondering because of what I saw in my own community between schools.

HuckleB

(35,773 posts)
12. Good piece. Here a couple of MDs respond to Carson bizarro nature.
Fri Nov 20, 2015, 05:36 PM
Nov 2015

The Ben Carson Contradiction by Steven Novella, MD
http://theness.com/neurologicablog/index.php/the-ben-carson-contradiction/#more-8543

"...

I bring all this up in order to address a question – how can one person be undeniably brilliant in one sphere of their intellectual life, and shockingly ignorant and anti-intellectual in other spheres? I have heard this question often in recent weeks, pretty much every time a new revelation about Carson’s beliefs comes out.

I don’t think this is as much of a contradiction as it may at first seem. Carson is evidence for something that I have tried to emphasize often here – all humans suffer from similar cognitive flaws and biases. We can all be brilliant and stupid at the same time, and apparently have no difficulty compartmentalizing our beliefs in order to minimize cognitive dissonance.

I write frequently about the neuroscience of belief, because I think there is no greater insight we can have than how our own brains function, because that is the tool we use to understand the rest of the universe. Invariably, however, when I discuss a specific cognitive flaw or bias, the common reaction is the equivalent of, “Yeah, other people are stupid.”

Take, for example, the Dunning-Kruger effect. I almost universally hear this principle described as, “dumb people are too dumb to realize how dumb they are.” The data, however, does not support this conclusion. It does not reveal something about “dumb people,” but rather something about all people. We are all on the Dunning-Kruger spectrum, and we can be on different places on the spectrum with regard to different areas of knowledge, at the same time.

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Ben Carson: A case study on why intelligent people are often not skeptics by David Gorski, MD
http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2015/11/06/ben-carson-why-intelligent-people-are-not-necessarily-skeptics/

"As a surgeon, I find Ben Carson particularly troubling. By pretty most reports, he was a skilled neurosurgeon who practiced for three decades, rising to the chief of neurosurgery at Johns Hopkins. Yet, when he ventures out of the field of neurosurgery—even out of his own medical specialty—he routinely lays down some of the dumbest howlers I’ve ever heard. For example, he denies evolution, but, even worse, he’s been a shill for a dubious supplement company, Mannatech. Worse still, when called out for his relationship with Mannatech in the last Republican debate, Carson lied through his teeth about it. The pseudoscientific views he relates have been so bad that he led me to resurrect some old schtick that I had abandoned years ago about physicians denying evolution leading me to put a paper bag over my head in shame for my profession. I’m also reminded of it not just by media stories about Carson’s latest verbal gaffe but because I work within easy walking distance of the Ben Carson High School of Medicine and Science, a STEM-related high school designed to encourage high school students to pursue careers in the sciences.

...

As a physician and a surgeon, I never cease to be amazed at how brilliant physicians, who are so knowledgeable and skilled at medicine, can be so irredeemably ignorant about topics not related to medicine, and even, as was the case with Ben Carson’s dubious cancer cure testimonial for Mannatech, medical topics not related to their specific specialty. Indeed, Andy Borowitz nailed it well when portrayed Carson as “shattering the stereotype about brain surgeons being smart.”

Or did he?

...

It’s not surprising, then, that physicians might come to overestimate their ability to master another discipline, at least well enough to pontificate confidently on it. Of course we can! We’re doctors! We made it through the ringer that is medical school, residency, and board certification. Just give me enough time and enough Google and we can learn anything! Is it any wonder that physicians are particularly prone to the Dunning-Kruger effect? Not to me, at least not any more. The same seems to be true of many other high-achieving people. There’s a reason that most leaders in the antivaccine movement tend to be affluent, highly educated people. J.B. Handley, for instance, is a successful businessman who has basically said that he doesn’t need to listen to us pointy-headed scientists and physicians; he’s learned what he needs to learn about vaccines causing autism himself.

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Dont call me Shirley

(10,998 posts)
13. Ben has the "God Syndrome", which is "I am a healer so therefore I am closer to God than those
Fri Nov 20, 2015, 05:41 PM
Nov 2015

who are not healers". I have seen many MD Residents receive this attitude upon graduation from medical school.

vlyons

(10,252 posts)
15. Fundamental Christianity is what's koo-koo about Ben Carson
Fri Nov 20, 2015, 05:49 PM
Nov 2015

Believing that the Bible is the absolute true "word of God" is the problem.

Nonhlanhla

(2,074 posts)
23. I'm no doctor, but...
Fri Nov 20, 2015, 07:50 PM
Nov 2015

I do wonder if there isn't anything medically wrong with him. In the speech about how Joseph built the pyramids (which was about 15 years ago?) he sounds intelligent and engaging (despite the absurdity of his fundamentalist beliefs), as well as appearing alert. Now he still has crazy ideas, of course, but he also doesn't seem quite awake and he really doesn't seem to know what is going on in his own campaign. His people even have a hard time getting him to remember anything.

I seriously think he should see a doctor.

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