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vinny9698

(1,016 posts)
Tue Nov 10, 2015, 06:35 PM Nov 2015

5 Reasons California Went From A $42 Billion Deficit To A Surplus

http://www.nationalmemo.com/the-5-best-ideas-from-californias-progressive-resurgence/
1: Independent Redistricting Commission
2: Reinstating Majority Rule On The Budget
3: Online Voter Registration
4: Asked Voters To Raise Taxes
5: A Massive Turnout Effort

"With a little democratic reform and a lot of civic participation, California made change happen fast. And the fact that the Golden State often sets trends for the rest of the nation must terrify Republicans."

Now if we can repeat this success in other states.
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5 Reasons California Went From A $42 Billion Deficit To A Surplus (Original Post) vinny9698 Nov 2015 OP
Shouldn't #1 be "no Republican governor" ? nt eppur_se_muova Nov 2015 #1
Exactly! He's the one who pushed for the tax increase and the rest of the stuff on that list! nt SunSeeker Nov 2015 #2
#1 should be the complete marginalization of the state GOP Jack Rabbit Nov 2015 #14
Despite all the California bashing Wellstone ruled Nov 2015 #3
Well I guess they need it more n2doc Nov 2015 #10
California lost out on the Tesla deal strickly Wellstone ruled Nov 2015 #12
Governor Jerry Brown should get all the credit Jon Fogerty Nov 2015 #4
He could have made a great president cprise Nov 2015 #9
Perhaps not all the credit, but BlueMTexpat Nov 2015 #15
And this is after totally getting screwed over by Enron for a few billion dinkytron Nov 2015 #5
Indeed, the whole 2000 energy debacle cprise Nov 2015 #7
The elite's vaunted intellegence cprise Nov 2015 #6
I hate to say it, but you neglected one of the biggest reasons frazzled Nov 2015 #8
Stopping abuses was good. musiclawyer Nov 2015 #11
That was good, but it was more a consequence of the cleanup than the cause. bemildred Nov 2015 #16
Many here would argue it wasn't good at all frazzled Nov 2015 #19
So there are no hungry kids in CA? And everyone who wants to is gainfully employed jtuck004 Nov 2015 #13
It's only been 4 years, give them a break. Anyway 70% voter turnout is awesome accomplishment lostnfound Nov 2015 #17
No, I will wait until the work is done. I know some don't care, as long as they get applause. jtuck004 Nov 2015 #18

Jack Rabbit

(45,984 posts)
14. #1 should be the complete marginalization of the state GOP
Tue Nov 10, 2015, 09:33 PM
Nov 2015

After 2012, the Republicans did not have even a third of the members in either house of the state legislature.

Even now, the Democrats hold a 26-14 majority in the Senate and 52-28 in the Assembly. Not quite as good, but I'm not complaining.

 

Wellstone ruled

(34,661 posts)
3. Despite all the California bashing
Tue Nov 10, 2015, 07:05 PM
Nov 2015

here in the Southwest,they are doing it the right way and the rest of these Neo-Con Tea Bagger States are getting their lunch handed to them . Yes,Tesla relocated to the Reno area,but they were given a free ride at Nevada Tax Payer Expense. And they needed basic hands on assembly line workers and we have tons of them. And it is location location location,Rail and Truck routes with in a few yards.

 

Wellstone ruled

(34,661 posts)
12. California lost out on the Tesla deal strickly
Tue Nov 10, 2015, 08:31 PM
Nov 2015

due to the Tax Payers giving Tesla ten years of freebies. I got a hunch EPA issues had a lot to do with this and the proximity to Lithium Mines. Mr. Brown was not about to give away the store,he knows full well what the needs of California is and he will make it happen.

Our unemployment is driven by the depressed commodity meaning world mineral crash. Sad as it might sound,our usable labor force is ill prepared for the twenty first century. Poor Education systems,lack of skill sets to fill many job openings.

Jon Fogerty

(45 posts)
4. Governor Jerry Brown should get all the credit
Tue Nov 10, 2015, 07:27 PM
Nov 2015

After the Schwarzenegger's Dark Ages which either nothing changed or got worse, I was really pleased to see Governor Brown turn CA completely around. He showed the nation the fallacy of a Republican fiscal governance versus pragmatic and even-handed Democratic leadership. What he accomplished in CA can viewed as a miracle, considering how fossilized the state government and the two rival parties had become.

cprise

(8,445 posts)
9. He could have made a great president
Tue Nov 10, 2015, 07:42 PM
Nov 2015

But being longtime governor of California is almost more influential than the vice president.

If the electorate hadn't turned so reactionary (to the point of electing Reagan) he could have influenced the whole world for the better.

BlueMTexpat

(15,369 posts)
15. Perhaps not all the credit, but
Wed Nov 11, 2015, 06:50 AM
Nov 2015

without his being in the state house, I don't believe that the others could have happened.

Please make no mistake, I am a great fan of Jerry Brown and among those who believe that he would have made a great US President.

cprise

(8,445 posts)
7. Indeed, the whole 2000 energy debacle
Tue Nov 10, 2015, 07:40 PM
Nov 2015

was a lesson in what happens when people let capital have its way.

cprise

(8,445 posts)
6. The elite's vaunted intellegence
Tue Nov 10, 2015, 07:31 PM
Nov 2015

and discerning ability to rule is vastly overrated. A widely-educated public that is connected to the Internet has consistently chosen more responsible and (dare I say?) moderate positions than paid-for oligarchs.

frazzled

(18,402 posts)
8. I hate to say it, but you neglected one of the biggest reasons
Tue Nov 10, 2015, 07:40 PM
Nov 2015

They "reformed" the pension system 3 years ago, which purportedly will save "billions." Illinois has tried to make similar, even more modest adjustments, but because of a constitutional amendment that was passed back in the 1970s, the state Supreme Court has had to keep striking the plans down. It's essentially why the state is in such terrible financial shape. Just to say, the reason California is doing better has to do with things that are not so "progressive."

The state Legislature on Friday approved a package of changes to California's public employee pension system that is expected to save taxpayers billions of dollars, even as Republican lawmakers said much more needs to be done to fix a system with massive liabilities.

The main pension bill, AB340, passed 49-8 in the Assembly and 38-1 in the state Senate. Gov. Jerry Brown negotiated the reforms with the Legislature's Democratic leadership.

The legislation will increase the retirement age for new employees, cap the annual payout at $132,120, eliminate numerous abuses of the system and require workers who are not contributing half of their retirement costs to pay more.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/01/california-pension-reform_n_1849076.html

musiclawyer

(2,335 posts)
11. Stopping abuses was good.
Tue Nov 10, 2015, 08:01 PM
Nov 2015

But now the pensions are so meager relative to cost of living in CA and low starting wages that public employers now have a hard time finding qualified employees. When your assessments are off or your local cop is an idiot, or your animal service person can't tell a dog from a wolf hybrid you'll know why. Nothing is free.

bemildred

(90,061 posts)
16. That was good, but it was more a consequence of the cleanup than the cause.
Wed Nov 11, 2015, 07:03 AM
Nov 2015

It began with Jerry Brown and the re-districting fight.

frazzled

(18,402 posts)
19. Many here would argue it wasn't good at all
Wed Nov 11, 2015, 10:47 AM
Nov 2015

Cutting public pensions is a third rail in general. And yet when a purportedly "progressive" governor does it, you don't hear complaints. There is a lot of selective outrage about these kinds of difficult, compromise government actions.

 

jtuck004

(15,882 posts)
13. So there are no hungry kids in CA? And everyone who wants to is gainfully employed
Tue Nov 10, 2015, 09:30 PM
Nov 2015

at a job with a living wage, and there is no inequality in wages, no bridges are falling down?

Else there is no surplus of anything except propaganda.

lostnfound

(16,183 posts)
17. It's only been 4 years, give them a break. Anyway 70% voter turnout is awesome accomplishment
Wed Nov 11, 2015, 08:06 AM
Nov 2015

All by itself

 

jtuck004

(15,882 posts)
18. No, I will wait until the work is done. I know some don't care, as long as they get applause.
Wed Nov 11, 2015, 08:57 AM
Nov 2015

Too bad people don't get as offended about hungry kids and people in want as they do about not getting all the acclaim they think they so richly deserve.

Trading hungry children and families in need so people can crow about their growing pile of cash is something that ought to strike a whole lot more people as wrong, since it leaves them to fight on their own.

Then again, that's sort of become a national pastime.



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