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niyad

(113,344 posts)
Tue Nov 10, 2015, 12:27 PM Nov 2015

Women in Combat? Let’s Reframe the Debate

Women in Combat? Let’s Reframe the Debate


Defense Secretary Ash Carter is due to receive from his military leaders their recommendations on ending policies that exclude women from combat. His decision on the matter is expected by the end of the year.



Public opinion of the policy has changed in recent years in response to women’s rights advocates contending that exclusion is a form of sex discrimination. Additionally, military readiness of late has been diminished by falling recruitment and retention rates, a problem that women in the ranks helps solve. Available data, moreover, says women can meet the standards for combat preparedness. Both positions are supported by academic studies, such as Megan MacKenzie’s Beyond the Band of Brothers: The U.S. Military and the Myth that Women Can’t Fight. A February 7, 2013 Quinnipiac Poll found up to 76 percent of Americans favoring the integration of women into combat roles.

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Mindful of that history, the debate over allowing women in combat has me wondering: Are the should/shouldn’t and can/can’t questions the only way to frame the debate? Is there an antiwar voice comparable to that of labor 30 years ago on the issue of workplace standards? A no-combat position would be politically impractical, of course, unwise, even, in the current geopolitical environment. But a strategical use of the issue, just as some union members used concerns about weight limits in the 1980s, could leverage more serious thinking about the militarization of our culture and economy. With a few months to go before Secretary Carter rules on the issues, the non-combat status of women can still be used to renew a national conversation about the costs of U.S. wars—human and otherwise—in the 21st century.

It would be easy enough, for example, to argue that all soldiers under the age of 21 should, like women, be exempt from combat. Whereas the combat exception for women is based on physical qualifications, evidence that the still-developing minds and emotions of young adults—both men and women—make them especially vulnerable to the stresses and traumas of war provides a basis upon which to keep them away from combat. Such a policy would not only not deprive young recruits of the income, job-training opportunities and post-service benefits like education—that, for some advocates, justify military service—it would likely channel them into military occupational specialties that transfer more readily to future civilian employment.

The age limitations on combat experience would protect teenagers from military recruiters who prey particularly on young men’s machismo and fantasies of war-front valor. Those youthful expectations of prideful martial accomplishment are fed by film and veteran folklore, but they are seldom met with satisfaction by real-world military experience—a fact that is a likely contributor to the despondency of returnees from the new wars that is sometimes lumped in with other ailments for PTSD diagnoses. It is sickening that anyone under the legal age for drinking in most states is lost in battle, making the demand for a wider combat-exemption policy, leveraged by the non-combat standing of women, a priority for reform movements.

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http://msmagazine.com/blog/2015/11/09/women-in-combat-lets-reframe-the-debate/

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BlueJazz

(25,348 posts)
1. So women are supposedly not as good a man warrior. (according to recent news stories, etc)
Tue Nov 10, 2015, 12:49 PM
Nov 2015

Yeah, and who decides that? Oh...I see..the Men do?...the same men that are terrified of the fact that women do a lot of things as well of men.
True, most men (I hope) can put aside their false perceptions and state "I think they do a fine job in fighting the enemy"
But..and it's a big BUT, lots of men would never admit that a women can fire a rifle or judge a situation in war as well as a man can.
To admit that, they feel, "What the hell? I'm only as good as a puny women??....screw that shit!!"

That's why I DON"T trust the reports from the field

hack89

(39,171 posts)
2. It's the physical strength that is the big issue
Tue Nov 10, 2015, 01:59 PM
Nov 2015

there is no question that women can perform just as well as men in combat roles like pilots, serving on ships and submarines, etc.

But there are combat jobs like infantry that required soldiers to carry enormous weights long distances. It is legitimate to ask whether the average woman can do it as well as a man.

 

BlueJazz

(25,348 posts)
3. Of course, I understand. I do remember basic training (82 Airborne) and some of the dudes were not
Tue Nov 10, 2015, 02:39 PM
Nov 2015

...as strong as some of the rest of us. I'm 6' 2" 215lb so it wasn't that big a deal. I DO get your point and it might very well be valid.



PS: At the time (basic), I remember thinking "Well, this sucks the big one"

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