On Same-Sex Marriage, It’s Too Late to ‘Wait-and-See’ at the Supreme Court.Greenhouse

[elleng]

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/30/opinion/on-same-sex-marriage-its-too-late-to-wait-and-see-at-the-supreme-court.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&module=c-column-top-span-region&region=c-column-top-span-region&WT.nav=c-column-top-span-region

[blondie58]

1. Love is love...

💖💗❤️💙💜💗😼

[elleng]

2. Yes it is.

Sorry NYT won't allow 'copying' of text, so can't evaluate the story properly.

[CTyankee]

3. ellen, do you have a subscription?

I often copy text from Paul Krugman's blog online. But we have a subscription, otherwise it would not be available.

You could also copy text from a computer at your public library if it subscribes to the NYT (mine does).

[elleng]

4. Yes, an on-line subscription,

and I've never had a problem copying and pasting in the past. Just this week couldn't copy any text from Linda Greenhouse. Tried earlier, COULD copy SOME articles, but not Greenhouse. Might be an 'occasional' block???

[CTyankee]

5. Oh, boy, I dunno. That's just strange...

we have a paper subscription cuz we like having the "paper" literally in our hands, but that should not make any difference from an online subscription. However, it's worth it for you to check (I know I would). I know they have an 800 # if anyone has an issue with accessing their site. You might try to find out...

[elleng]

6. Will work on it, yank,

because so much of what I do involves copying + pasting.

[CTyankee]

7. I've had problems with their toll free service in the past, sorry to say...quite a hassle...

Not what anyone would want. But they try.

Ugh. You deserve better...

[struggle4progress]

8. Excerpt:

During the often meandering and repetitious same-sex marriage argument at the Supreme Court on Tuesday, there was one galvanizing, clarifying moment that hasn’t received much attention but that, at least for me, put everything in perspective. It was the response that Solicitor General Donald B. Verrilli Jr. gave to a suggestion by Chief Justice John G. Roberts Jr. that the court should simply stay its hand and permit the “truly extraordinary” pace of social change to continue on its own.

To set the scene: Shortly before Mr. Verrilli rose for his 15 minutes at the lectern to argue for same-sex marriage on behalf of the Obama administration, Chief Justice Roberts had remarked to Mary L. Bonauto, the lawyer for the couples in the four cases before the court, that events were, after all, moving in her direction. His implication was that she and her clients should be patient, and for their own good. “People feel very differently about something if they have a chance to vote on it than if it’s imposed on them by the courts,” the chief justice said.

It was a comment, not a question, and one not even addressed to the solicitor general. But Mr. Verrilli, an experienced Supreme Court advocate well before he became the government’s top appellate lawyer, seized on it as an invitation to frame his own argument. In the transcript, his response takes up a rare uninterrupted paragraph that is worth quoting in full:

“I think it’s important to understand that if this Court concludes that this issue should be left to the political process, what the Court will be saying is that the demeaning, second-class status that gay and lesbian couples now inhabit in states that do not provide for marriage is consistent with the equal protection of the laws. That is not a wait-and-see. That is a validation” ...

[elleng]

9. Thanks, struggle.