35 Founding Father Quotes Conservative Christians Will Hate
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The separation of church and state is one of the cornerstones of Americas foundation. Conservative Christian fundamentalists have sought to crush this cornerstone in the hopes of establishing Christianity as the state religion, an action that would threaten the rest of the foundation that makes up the Constitution. These conservatives contend that the Founding Fathers dreamed of making America a Christian state at the expense of those who practice other religions or none at all.
So here are 35 quotes from the Founding Fathers. Perhaps your first thoughts are the first four Presidents and maybe Benjamin Franklin, but there were many other Founding Fathers. Many were signers of the US Constitution and The Declaration of Independence. They were lawyers, judges, soldiers, merchants, farmers, and some were even clergy. And the great majority of them signed the Constitution knowing that matters of government and matters of religion would be separate.
Quotes here.
Politicalboi
(15,189 posts)That link doesn't work. Maybe the GOP took it down.
They need to shield their base from the truth.
chervilant
(8,267 posts)But, thank you for the most amusing observation!
Fantastic Anarchist
(7,309 posts)Well, it's clickable, but it doesn't take you to the 35 quotes.
Cirque du So-What
(25,984 posts)Journeyman
(15,039 posts)appalachiablue
(41,172 posts)for profit. Kids will receive even less little knowledge of US history and govt. and conservatives will have more reign to distort the truth laid out in the Constitution and by other founding principles. In this anti-govt., free market and right wing dominated world there most likely won't be a restoration of teaching civics and government in schools, although there should be. It's is a huge oversight on the part of Dems. and everyone residing in a free, democratic society. And as is well known, if kids understand the system they would know how it works and be able to change it.
chervilant
(8,267 posts)Civics was a difficult and dry subject, but ESSENTIAL to the understanding of how our government functions.
As far as our system of public education goes...well, I can only hope the corporate megalomaniacs do NOT succeed in dismantling our public schools.
appalachiablue
(41,172 posts)interesting if presented well, like anything. We've been in this anti-govt., pro-free market world for some time. I wonder what if anything young people know about govt. anymore since it's been so distorted and demonized except for the Presidential race and maybe the unending military operations. Also the Post Office, DMVs, libraries and community centers will be obsolete before long in the virtual world, so apart from voting on occasion (or being arrested by the police!) when do people notice or interact with any form of govt. anymore.
After the elimination of unions and collective bargaining rights, the privatization of public education is very unhealthy and dangerous to a society, like for profit prisons, health care and before long, tolled roads and utilities. But hey, who needs schooling to pick lettuce as some say, just needed if you're fortunate enough work in a field that isn't run by robots! The future should be interesting-
chervilant
(8,267 posts)and thoroughly enjoyed my Civics course. I learned so much!
I've been an activist since I was a teen. I remember reading Rachel Carson's Silent Spring when I was 9 years old. Because of her book (and coming of age in a toxic family, but that's another story), I decided to remain childless, and to be an activist in support of our ecosystem. I've marched on Washington a number of times, but not since the militarized police have been used to sequester protesters in small areas far from the madding crowd--and/or to brutalize us. I wouldn't mind being arrested, if I could avoid being beaten by those monsters.
I have hied myself back to rural north Arkansas, where I have a bio-intensive organic garden. There's a massive creek running right behind my house, and the Buffalo River is within walking distance. I am remote enough to feel somewhat safe, given the status of our narcissistic and hedonistic species. I anticipate that our global economy will fragment soon, and I feel the need to be relatively distant from urban areas, where extreme deprivation is likely to be deadly.
So many more of us are fear-based in response to the challenges we're facing. Fear freezes so many into a state of perpetual ennui, punctuated by waves of depression and anxiety. Anger and resentment seem to be the interactive framework for many--a la Malkin, Hannity, Coulter, and O'Reilly. It HAS been interesting thus far.
I hope I get to witness the sea change rendered inevitable by our hubris.
appalachiablue
(41,172 posts)With widespread police brutality & surveillance I wonder at people, esp. youth who are courageous enough to join demonstrations given the degree of monitoring now, the possibility of arrest and how people's records & credit report are easily available online to employers, rental housing mgmt., banks, and almost anyone. These kids are also indebted for college loan debt for years. What a change for the worse. I see so many of them who are hopeful, positive and strong even with all the doom, dystopian movies, political and military conflict, and environmental damage. And their love and loyalty to all things computer and internet is puzzling but understandable.
On the other hand, like you, I think there are many who understand the turmoil and dangers we face and they are quietly taking steps to create a lifestyle that is as secure and sustainable as possible. Others seem clueless to the conditions and don't want to hear anything about problems which the corporate mainstream media intentionally omits- like oil and resource depletion, global overpopulation and climate change. Of late there's a pull toward nature and family for me that is quite new but natural. I've loved culture, art and history and also the natural world of plants, animals and seas; our parents gave us this wonderful foundation I now realize.
In thinking about life and ancestors especially lately I realize how fortunate it was that my grandparents and their parents lived fairly simple, hardy lives based largely on sustenance farming and small property ownership. None of them lived in a major city or in a primarily industrial or large farming area when the Crash of 1929 hit and the Depression ensued. They were also in good health, had no debt, some were hunters and fishermen and most lived near small farms and survived. You are quite right that large cities aren't the place to be during civil unrest, natural disasters or other times of crisis. Rachel Carson is a heroine and we owe her much. I have copies of 'Silent Spring' for two beautiful millennials in the family, I try to impress on them the importance of nature, they are so young and tender.
chervilant
(8,267 posts)to a 200 acre farm in NW Arkansas that was so remote, we could be certain that any vehicle we heard on the road was coming to our house, and we had about 20 minutes to tidy up and make tea.
We had a massive garden, and butchered our own meat. I learned incredible skills--I can field dress anything, and have canned all manner of fruits and vegetables. I can still wield a splitting maul, and am a fair shot with both a rifle and a pistol.
I can build a fire in inclement weather. I can identify a number of edible wild plants, and I can fish. I would not hesitate to hunt, if that was necessary (although, I am Vegan at present and hope to continue as a Vegan).
Our younglings give me hope. They will have to work hard to pull our species back from the abyss.