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polly7

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Mon Feb 16, 2015, 11:20 AM Feb 2015

From Minsk to Brussels, it’s all about Germany

By Pepe Escobar, OpEdge
RT.com
Saturday, Feb 14, 2015


Germany's Chancellor Angela Merkel (L) talks to France's President Francois Hollande during a meeting with the media after peace talks on resolving the Ukrainian crisis in Minsk, February 12, 2015. (Reuters / Grigory Dukor)

Germany holds the key to where Europe goes next. A fragile deal may have been reached on Ukraine, but there’s still no deal with Greece. In both cases, there’s much more than meets the eye.


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From Minsk to Brussels, it’s all about Germany (Original Post) polly7 Feb 2015 OP
The propaganda so thick, you need a cleaver to cut it. DetlefK Feb 2015 #1
1,000 Recs swilton Feb 2015 #2

DetlefK

(16,423 posts)
1. The propaganda so thick, you need a cleaver to cut it.
Mon Feb 16, 2015, 12:39 PM
Feb 2015

"And cutting through all the spin, what remains, essentially, is what European Commission President Jean-Claude Juncker told Le Figaro a few days ago; it’s out of the question to suppress the Greek debt and, most of all, “there can be no democratic option against European treaties.” There it is, crystal clear: EU institutions work against democracy."

That's the matter with deals: You hold onto them or you break them. "We are sorry, but the greek voters don't like Greece's debt. You'll have to cancel it." That's not how a contract works.



"Predictably, like clockwork, even before the ceasefire, the IMF – under Washington’s orders – suddenly announced it would continue to rape, sorry, help bailout bankrupt, failed state Ukraine with a tranche of$17.5 billion, part of a large $40 billion, four-year “rescue” package. Translation: Kiev’s goons now have fresh cash to throw at a war they don't want to give up on."

Summary: Giving Ukraine money is rape. Ukraine is a failed state and should go the way of all failed states. And DON'T F**KING DARE TO ASK where the ukrainian separatists get the money from to keep fighting when Ukraine has access to loans and banks. DON'T TALK ABOUT IT! WE ARE TALKING ABOUT US-BACKED GOONS HERE! GOOOOONS!



"And Washington immediately turned the “withdrawal of foreign forces” clause into a joke. The Pentagon has already announced it will begin training Ukraine’s National Guard next month."

Does anybody have any doubt that Russia will leave some "volunteers" behind in Eastern Ukraine? Or that Russia will have a massive military presence right in Crimea?



"This was, remains, and will continue to be, essentially about NATO expansion. Washington and the Kiev marionettes will never allow any constitutional reform that lets the Donbass block NATO embedded in Ukraine. So the ‘Empire of Chaos’, in a nutshell, won’t cease from using Ukraine to bully Russia."

Russia is so pure and innocent and totally wouldn't abuse its influence on the Donbass to sabotage decisions of the sovereign nation of Ukraine. And how exactly would the NATO CONTINUE to bully Russia??? Russia is free to offer the sovereign nation of Ukraine a better deal than the EU or NATO...



"Chancellor Merkel had to go to Moscow to negotiate with Putin because she saw which way the wind was blowing - counterproductive sanctions; Ukrainian economy in free fall..."

Pure russian propaganda. The sanctions are hurting Russia. The author's thinking is showing: He doesn't even mention that thousands of dead people might be an incentive for a politician.



"As Immanuel Wallerstein has observed Moscow is pursuing “a careful policy. Not totally in control of the Donetsk-Lugansk autonomists, Russia is nonetheless making sure that the autonomists cannot be eliminated militarily."

Oops. The author just admitted that Russia is actively helping ukrainian separatists to further russian interests.



"So yes, whichever angle we look at it, this was in fact a Moscow-Berlin deal. It’s easy to see who is extremely disgruntled and will do everything to bomb it; Washington, Kiev, London, Warsaw and the hysterical “Russia is invading” Baltic states."

Accusations, accusations... What the author does NOT mention is that the separatists will also likely sabotage the deal if they feel like they can get a better one later on.
And for the hysterical Baltic states:
Russia has invaded the sovereign nation of Georgia. There is no arguing about that.
Russia has used the ethnic tensions and secession of Crimea to absorb it. There is no arguing about that.
Putin has asserted that he has the right to defend ethnic Russians that live in other countries. There is no arguing about that.
Putin has joked that he could conquer Ukraine if only he wanted to. There is no arguing about that.
The baltic states have large russian minorities. The perfect pretext for a "humanitarian" intervention on the part of Russia.



"So it's tempting to hop on the Merkel/Hollande peace train as the heart of Europe finally exercising their sovereignty and frontally defying the ‘Empire of Chaos’. Perhaps that could be the embryo of a German-French partnership for peace in Europe and even beyond, from the Middle East to Africa."

Absolutely, utterly and horribly ridiculous.
It will take more for Germany and France to break their commitments than the glory and fame of being international big players of peace. The author reveals himself to be an interventionist. And his delusions show when proposing peace out of thin air for the religious slaughterhouse Middle-East and the ethnic slaughterhouse Africa.



"Sooner or later European politicians will have to wake up and smell the coffee; the notion of a German-French-Russian pan-European peace/trade partnership is way more popular than reflected in failed corporate media."

BWAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!! BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Do you really think Germany would gut its ties to the EU, to NATO, to western world, in order to forge a closer relationship to a country with rampant nationalism and militarism, with rampant oppression of free journalists, with its own Führer-cult, with its own version of the Hitler-youth, with dehumanization and sanctioned murder of homosexuals, with attacks on its own citizens for straying from the government's storyline...

 

swilton

(5,069 posts)
2. 1,000 Recs
Mon Feb 16, 2015, 12:41 PM
Feb 2015

The Kerry led Dept of State neocons failed miserably on at least this policy....While in a just world they should all be fired, the real world dictates that they will continue on creating disasters.

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