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jakeXT

(10,575 posts)
Sat Jan 10, 2015, 02:53 PM Jan 2015

Who profits from killing Charlie?

Putin did it. Sorry, he didn't. In the end, it was not Russia "aggression" that attacked the heart of Europe. It was a pro-style jihadi commando. Cui bono?

Careful planning and preparation; Kalashnikovs; rocket-propelled grenade launcher; balaclavas; sand-colored ammunition vest stuffed with spare magazines; army boots; piece of cake escape in a black Citroen. And the icing on the lethal cake; faultless Paris-based logistical support to pull that off. A former top French military commander, Frederic Gallois, has stressed the perfect application of "urban guerrilla technique" (where are those notorious Western counter-terrorism "experts" when one needs them?)

They might have spoken perfect French; others said it was broken
French. Anyway, what matters is that they uttered the magic word; "We're al-Qaeda." Better yet; they told a man in the street, "Tell the media that this is al-Qaeda in Yemen", which means, in American terror terminology, al-Qaeda in the Arab Peninsula (AQAP), which had Charlie Hebdo's editor/cartoonist Stephane Charbonnier ("Charb&quot on a hit list duly promoted by AQAP's glossy magazine Inspire. Accusation: "Insulting the Prophet Mohammed."

And just to make sure everyone had the perpetrators implanted on their brain, the killers also said, "Allahu Akbar"; "We have killed Charlie Hebdo"; and "We have avenged the Prophet."

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/World/WOR-01-080115.html

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Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
1. The took their ID's with them and dropped them behind...yeah, great tactics, lots of training......
Sat Jan 10, 2015, 02:55 PM
Jan 2015

Who profits!? Talk to Ms. Le Pen and German RW hate groups..they are ecstatic.

jakeXT

(10,575 posts)
4. With the initial security they might have killed them there on the spot
Sat Jan 10, 2015, 03:00 PM
Jan 2015

US intelligence agencies know this was a magazine that had staff who were targets of Islamic extremists.

In fact the magazine was mentioned just last month in a magazine published by Al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula.

There have been threats against this magazine and its staff before, but there had been none recently.

In fact, security at the offices of Charlie Hebdo had reportedly been reduced because there was no particular threat. We now know of course that the threat was very real.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-01-08/charlie-hebdo-shooting-world-leaders-react/6005628

Igel

(35,317 posts)
6. Cui bono?
Sun Jan 11, 2015, 10:57 AM
Jan 2015

The last refuge of the demagogue after the D students for support.

1. Ask the question.
2. Phrase it in ways that assume that "the good" has a single unique answer.
3. Suggest that this single unique answer is in terms that the Ders understand.
4.Ensure that the single unique answer inures to the profit of those the Ders are envious or fearful of.
5. List just the facts that support your case.
6. Let the demagogued draw their own conclusions. Because if the demagogued reached them
(a) you didn't lie
(b) they're so psychologically and emotionally invested in them that they're committed to them.

(1) is painless. It slips through unnoticed.

(2) is horribly wrong. "The good" seldom has a single unique answer. Who benefits from the Charlie attack? Better to first ask, How could somebody benefit? Socially? Politically? Financially? Emotionally? Psychologically? Will it get them laid? To heaven?

If they think it'll benefit in any of these ways, are they right or mistaken? I might do something thinking it'll help me, but it hurts. I might do something that gets me more money, but the real reason is psychological--perhaps I didn't think it would get me $, but exact revenge, or get me the girl, or dispose of somebody that reminds me of a childhood friend. Many are convinced their foes are either fools or all-knowing sages. The difference depends on fear. I believe they're fools: But I secretly am in terror that they're all-wise. This is the classic anti-Semite conundrum (Jews are super-intelligent sub-humans), but it's not restricted to anti-Semitism.

Many skip-deep thinkers are sure they're omniscient. Escobar says, "Yes, yes you are, you're great!" As soon as you are told you're omniscient, as you always believed, question the person's intelligence and/or ethics. You're not, but he has some reason for making you think you are. Or he's just a fool.

(3) It's not a slam dunk that the person's values will be your own. That's a bit too egocentric. If you think religion is pointless, you won't necessarily understand a religious goal even if many have died for their faith. If collective honor isn't your thing, it won't matter even if others die for it. Or kill for it. Everybody's the same--like me. Any reason I can't understand simply isn't. Everything is to be understood on my terms. I am the world. Couple that kind of self-aggrandizing myopia with the view that you're omniscient, and there's nothing you can't be duped into.

(4) Play to tribal boundaries. Make sure that if "they" benefit, you and yours must be hurt. Not just in the act, but by others. The same others that you already blame for everything else--the halo effect makes them suspect anyway. If you're myopic, hubristic, *and* feel like you and those you're in solidarity with are victimized or in danger, great. You're omniscient, all-wise, and now can go and be a savior--all that self-centeredness is now properly displayed as caring for others. Your ego's stroked, you're told you're smart, and you're told you're compassionate. You are as you see yourself. You're hooked, fileted, and gently poached. All that remains is the sauce and plating.

(5) Now that you're already certain that you're right and superior, you look over all the facts that are fit to your ideas. The sauce is ready. In a real kitchen there's only one step left, the plating. But in this kitchen, the chef is done and walks away from the stove prior to the plating and keeps the area clear so his artistry may be truly admired as he sips sauterne.

(6) You reach your own conclusions on your own but utterly independently of any independent thought process. Spectators watch as the delicately poached salmon leaps from the pan onto the plate on its own, splashing itself with the sauce en route. It's been so wondrously prepared that it's not just ready, it's eager to throw itself into the breach ... as soon as the consumer opens his mouth.

Bon appetite.

KoKo

(84,711 posts)
7. Cui bono........
Sun Jan 11, 2015, 03:48 PM
Jan 2015

more snip from the article:

"Cui bono, then, with killing Charlie? Only those whose agenda is to demonize Islam. Not even a bunch of brainwashed fanatics would pull off the Charlie carnage to show people who accuse them of being barbarians that they are, in fact, barbarians. French intel at least has concluded that this is no underwear bomber stunt. This is a pro job. That happens to take place just a few days after France recognizes Palestinian statehood. And just a few days after General Hollande demanded the lifting of sanctions against the Russian "threat".

The Masters of the Universe who pull the real levers of the Empire of Chaos are freaking out with the systemic chaos in the racket they so far had the illusion of controlling. Make no mistake - the Empire of Chaos will do what it can to exploit the post-Charlie environment - be it blowback or false flag.

The Obama administration is already mobilizing the UN Security Council. The FBI is "helping" with the French investigation. And as an Italian analyst memorably put it, jihadis don't attack a vulture hedge fund; they attack a satirical rag. This is not religion; this is hardcore geopolitics. Reminds me of David Bowie: "This is not rock'n roll. This is suicide."

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