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onehandle

(51,122 posts)
Tue Jan 27, 2015, 12:47 AM Jan 2015

Pope Francis Holds Private Audience With Transgender Man

Source: Philadelphia Magazine

This weekend at the Vatican, Pope Francis met with a Spanish transgender man, Diego Neria Lejárraga, after he wrote a letter to the Pope complaining that his church discriminated against him following his gender-reassignment surgery. The Washington Blade says Lejárraga complained about the rejection he felt from his fellow congregants, who even went so far as to abuse him with verbal attacks, calling him names like “the devil’s daughter.”

“After hearing him on many occasions, I felt that he would listen to me,” Neria told a newspaper publisher in Spain.

Human rights groups are applauding the Pope's move, calling it a historic, forward-thinking move for the papacy. Marianne Duddy-Burke, executive director of LGBT Catholics group Dignity USA told the Blade that the meeting is a "very significant event."

“For the Pope to meet with a transgender man about to be married, and for that meeting to result in this man feeling more hopeful about his place in the Church, shows a concern for those at the very margins of our church,” she said. “I hope the Pope listened carefully to this man’s experience, and will speak about what he heard."

Read more: http://www.phillymag.com/g-philly/2015/01/26/pope-francis-holds-private-audience-transgender-man

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Pope Francis Holds Private Audience With Transgender Man (Original Post) onehandle Jan 2015 OP
That sound you hear shenmue Jan 2015 #1
Added to that is the sound of DUers Heads exploding former9thward Jan 2015 #2
He doesn't hate us because he thinks we have a disorder. NYC Liberal Jan 2015 #15
Yeah, that Catholic League guy must be ready to burst a blood vessel! MADem Jan 2015 #7
Love. MannyGoldstein Jan 2015 #3
+1 Zorra Jan 2015 #8
This message was self-deleted by its author Zorra Jan 2015 #9
Interesting. R. Daneel Olivaw Jan 2015 #4
Compassion, intelligence, love. Wow. just wow. glinda Jan 2015 #5
I applaud this move BrotherIvan Jan 2015 #6
hoping he can convince Francis to be a better person JI7 Jan 2015 #10
What did the Pope say after the meeting? Bluenorthwest Jan 2015 #11
I think many see just him meeting with the person as making a statement JI7 Jan 2015 #16
He sure is better than the last guy. candelista Jan 2015 #12
The more I hear about Pope Francis, the more I think Pope Francis sounds like Dr. Phil, on TV! Johnny Rash Jan 2015 #13
Don't be fooled by the PR Pope Feron Jan 2015 #14
The Catholic Church has a weird postion on Homosexulaity but it is not not anti-gay. happyslug Feb 2015 #17

former9thward

(32,077 posts)
2. Added to that is the sound of DUers Heads exploding
Tue Jan 27, 2015, 01:04 AM
Jan 2015

who hate this Pope no matter what he says or does. They will be along shortly telling us how he hates gays.

NYC Liberal

(20,136 posts)
15. He doesn't hate us because he thinks we have a disorder.
Tue Jan 27, 2015, 04:02 PM
Jan 2015

We can't help being gay. We just have to stay celibate and not have any intimate relationships (let alone get married). That's been in the Catechism for a long time.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
7. Yeah, that Catholic League guy must be ready to burst a blood vessel!
Tue Jan 27, 2015, 03:59 AM
Jan 2015

That guy's middle name should be "NOOOOoooooooooo~~!!!!!!!!!" He's so into the whole "Thou Shalt Not" aspect of the religion!!!!

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Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
11. What did the Pope say after the meeting?
Tue Jan 27, 2015, 10:29 AM
Jan 2015

I remember back to Diana, Princess of Wales when she visited the pediatric AIDS ward and people were shocked that she'd been close to those kids, even Diana immediately went to the press and made a strong statement about her actions and those who were critical of them. Diana was an admirable person. Her words helped change things.
So can you link to the Pope's actual statement?

JI7

(89,264 posts)
16. I think many see just him meeting with the person as making a statement
Tue Jan 27, 2015, 04:11 PM
Jan 2015

Like diana embracing the babies .

Feron

(2,063 posts)
14. Don't be fooled by the PR Pope
Tue Jan 27, 2015, 12:12 PM
Jan 2015

It's the same BS in a friendly media-savvy package.

Actions speak louder than words and I would be shocked if anything of consequence comes from this visit.

Gay is fine in Catholicism as long as the gay person is celibate or in a heterosexual marriage. I could see a possible loophole if the transman has the parts to get pregnant and is marrying a man.

I really don't see the Pope changing any of this. Just like he slammed the door shut on birth control.

This man's best move is to simply leave the Church and find people that accept him.



 

happyslug

(14,779 posts)
17. The Catholic Church has a weird postion on Homosexulaity but it is not not anti-gay.
Sun Feb 15, 2015, 09:28 PM
Feb 2015

First, the Church has a hierarchy of sins. The sins that are "mortal" that get you condemned to hell is a violation of the Ten Commandments, The only SEX crime in the ten Commandments is Adultery. Fornication (sex outside of marriage) is NOT a mortal sin, and thus neither is Homosexuality.

Now, venial sins are omissions or actions that harms someone else or other wise viewed as a sin. This is where fornication, including homosexual sex fits. It is a sin but does NOT get you condemned to hill. Fornication, including homosecual sex, is treated like a white lie, i.e. "You look beautiful in that dress" when you HATE that dress.

Now, the church also dislikes the idea of Homosexual marriage for the Church believes SEX is an important part of any Marriage, but Homosexual sex is not the sex the church sees as part of any marriage. You may disagree with that position, but I am just pointing out the Catholic Church opposes homosexual marriages, and sees acts of homosexility as a venital sin, but also disapproves of discrimination because someone is a homosexual.

It is a weird position, but consistent over the last 1000 years. Please note the Catholic Church has only had a marriage ceremony for about 1000 years, prior to that time period, the Church only recognized local customs as to marriage.. Local Tradition as to marriages OR someone married by the Church Ceremony of marriages were BOTH recognized as valid marriages till the Council of Trent in the 1560s. In the council of Trent, based on Protestant attacks of still recognizing marriages by local custom, the Catholic Church finally said the only valid marriages were ones performed by the church itself (Abolishing Marriages by Local Custom). Since the Council of Trent only applied to Catholic Countries, Protestant England kept local customs as a basis of marriage till the early 1700s, but then only abolish it inside England itself NOT the colonies. When the 13 colonies became independent, they was a movement to require all marriages to be by some sort of Ceremony either civil or religious. Influence from France after 1800 permitted Justices of the Peace the right to marry couples. Most States then abolish marriage by local custom, called a "Common Law Marriage" in the US. These Marriages by Local Custom (Common Law Marriages) are still permitted in some states, Colorado and Texas are two of the ones I know of (Pennsylvania abolished such marriages effective January 1, 2005).

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