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Omaha Steve

(99,662 posts)
Sun Jan 25, 2015, 10:22 AM Jan 2015

Blizzard-like conditions possible in Northeast's next storm

Source: AP-Excite

NEW YORK (AP) — A major snowstorm with blizzard-like conditions could drop a foot or more of snow across most parts of the Northeast as they gear up for the workweek right after the first real storm of the winter hit them with rain, several inches of snow and messy slush.

A storm system diving out of the Midwest has the potential to slowly coat from Philadelphia up to Massachusetts and Maine with snow beginning late Sunday night into Monday and intensifying greatly well into Tuesday, the National Weather Service said.

"There's the potential for a significant snowstorm to impact the entire Northeast U.S.," meteorologist Patrick Maloit said.

Areas east of New York City could receive in excess of a foot of snow if the storm develops as feared, he said, stressing that's still "a big if."

FULL story at link.



A man hauls farm cargo with a horse-drawn carriage in Leacock Township, Lancaster County on Saturday, Jan. 24, 2015. Overnight snow brought wet, slushy conditions to the area. (AP Photo/LNP Media Group, Dan Marschka)

Read more: http://apnews.excite.com/article/20150125/us--winter_weather-bf8dd66239.html

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elias49

(4,259 posts)
1. Crap. On top os 2" of ice.
Sun Jan 25, 2015, 10:26 AM
Jan 2015

Lousy winter in NH so far. Cold, cold and icy.
Thank goodness winter's half over!

NutmegYankee

(16,200 posts)
3. It's an unusual scenario.
Sun Jan 25, 2015, 10:36 AM
Jan 2015

A second low has to form and then undergo bombogenesis to develop the strength required. The models are heading that way though.

KOKX National Weather Service Forecaster Discussion:

.SHORT TERM /6 PM THIS EVENING THROUGH TUESDAY NIGHT/...
HIGH PRESSURE NOSES IN FROM THE NW TONIGHT WITH CLOUDS GRADUALLY
LOWERING AND THICKENING AHEAD OF A CLIPPER LOW MOVING ACROSS THE
OHIO VALLEY. WARM ADVECTION AHEAD OF THE SYSTEM MAY ALLOW FOR
LIGHT SNOW AND/OR FLURRIES TO WORK INTO THE AREA PRIOR TO DAYBREAK
MON.

THE INGREDIENTS ARE THEN COMING TOGETHER FOR A POSSIBLE HISTORIC
NOR`EASTER AS A SECONDARY LOW FORMS OFF THE MID ATLANTIC EARLY MON.
THIS LOW UNDERGOES RAPID INTENSIFICATION AS THE LOW CUTS OFF ALOFT
NEAR THE MID ATLANTIC MON NIGHT...LIFTING SLOWLY NORTHWARD THROUGH
TUE NIGHT. MSLP DROPS NEARLY 30 MB IN 24H FROM MON TO TUE
MORNING...BEFORE GRADUALLY FILLING. THIS WILL PLACE THE FORECAST
AREA ON THE NW FLANK OF THE LOW WITH A PROLONGED PERIOD OF MDT-HVY
SNOW IN THE DEFORMATION ZONE. MOST OF THE GLOBAL MODELS AND THEIR
ENSEMBLE MEMBERS MEMBERS SUPPORTS UPWARDS OF 2 INCHES LIQUID
EQUIVALENT...WITH THE HIGHEST AMOUNTS ACROSS EASTERN LI/SE CT.
THAT BEING THE CASE...SNOW BANDING WILL LIKELY EXTEND AS FAR WEST
AS THE LOWER HUDSON VALLEY WITH SNOWFALL RATES OF 2 TO 4 INCHES AN
HOUR AT TIMES. MUCH OF THE AREA SHOULD SEE A FOOT WITH AMOUNTS AS
HIGH AS 2 FT POSSIBLE ACROSS EASTERN LI/SE CT. ONCE AGAIN
THOUGH...THE EXACT LOCATION OF THE MOST INTENSE BANDING IS
DIFFICULT TO PINPOINT AT THIS JUNCTURE.

THE 00Z NAM CONTINUES TO BE AN OUTLIER ON THE EASTERN FLANK OF
THE LOW TRACK AND ITS SIGNIFICANTLY LOWER PCPN HAS BEEN
DISCOUNTED.

IN ADDITION...THE DEEP LOW PRESSURE COMBINED WITH STRONG HIGH
PRESSURE TO THE NORTH AND WEST WILL CREATE NEAR OR BLIZZARD
CONDITIONS ACROSS MUCH OF THE REGION. A BLIZZARD WATCH HAS BEEN
POSTED FOR LI AND MUCH OF THE SOUTHERN CT...WITH A WINTER STORM
WATCH ELSEWHERE. POTENTIAL EXISTS FOR GUST OF 35 TO 50
MPH...HIGHEST TO THE EAST.

LIGHT SNOW DEVELOPS MON MORNING AND THEN GRADUALLY PICKS UP IN THE
LATE AFT. MDT-HVY SNOW WILL FALL FOR MUCH OF MON NIGHT INTO TUE
BEFORE TAPERING OFF TUE EVENING.

TEMPS DURING THE STORM WILL GENERALLY BE IN THE 20S WITH WIND
CHILLS IN THE SINGLE DIGITS TO MID TEENS.

Fearless

(18,421 posts)
5. It's not really that uncommon
Sun Jan 25, 2015, 01:01 PM
Jan 2015

It's just a matter of degree, and that's what's uncommon.

There are three key factors that will add or take away a foot or more of possible snow in southeastern New England.

1. How close to the coast or how far south arctic high pressure pushes the core of the storm.

There's a sweet spot about 100-150 miles off the south/southeast coast of Massachusetts. If the storm tracks north or west of it, the south coast and major cities get mainly rain. If it's tracked much further south or east of this area, it will all be snow, but only light amounts. I'm thinking that the storm will track just off the coast, perhaps just above the sweet spot. Say 50-75 miles off the coast of the Cape. That would suggest a turn over to a mix on the south coast with jackpot amounts inland of Boston, south inland of Taunton, and further south on a line inland of Providence. Worcester and the hills could be crushed. Again my opinion.

2. The strength of bands of snow that "back over" the coast.

As the low pressure system travels northeast from the Cape, particularly when it is about 200 miles off the coast, east of Boston it will exemplify a traditional nor-easter and possibly a blizzard. This means that heavy bands of snow will back into the region from the north east and sweep across southern New England (and later up into Maine). The stronger the low pressure has become, the stronger the bands of snow will be. Look at them similar to the arms of a hurricane (because it's essentially a winter hurricane). This is where the vast majority of the snow accumulation will come from. These bands of snow could be cut down a bit if the rain/snow line from above is further inland. In which case, snow amounts will be limited significantly. I believe we will have less than optimal conditions for extremely heavy snow bands.

3. Strength of the arctic high pressure in Canada.

The strength of the arctic high determines how quickly the storm can move north and east. Slower means greater accumulation. Faster means lighter accumulation. The heaviest and most famous snow storms have strong high pressure in place, slowing the storm and extending the number of hours of snow.

Summary:

Current forecasts continue to claim that this will be an all snow event for southern New England. I disagree. I believe that the storm will track further west/northwest and will turn over to rain on the coast and Cape. I believe heavy snow will fall in the Boston suburbs and west out to Worcester, where they may see 20 inches of snow extending down through Hartford. Closer to a foot in Berkshire County and closer to a foot changing to a mix in Bristol County and eastward.

That said, if the low develops stronger than anticipated, add another foot to all totals.

NutmegYankee

(16,200 posts)
6. Oh, I understand the meteorology.
Sun Jan 25, 2015, 02:12 PM
Jan 2015

I took some elective courses in it in college. What is unusual is to go from 1-2 inches on Friday, to 1-2 feet on Sunday in forecast. That is ONE hell of a model swing.

NutmegYankee

(16,200 posts)
8. Not really - All three major models (NAM, GFS, and ECMWF) were showing little precip until recently.
Sun Jan 25, 2015, 02:35 PM
Jan 2015

North American Mesoscale Forecast System
Global Forecasting System <--- Classic US model
European Centre for Medium‑Range Weather Forecasts <---- Tends to be accurate more often than GFS/NAM

Everything just started to align.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
16. What specifically leads you to that allegation?
Mon Jan 26, 2015, 12:19 PM
Jan 2015

What specifically leads you to that allegation? Trendy cynicism of something objective...

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
10. The Weather Center map is showing 2+ feet for Boston.
Sun Jan 25, 2015, 03:15 PM
Jan 2015

I we aren't closed on Tuesday, I think I am going to take the day off or just work from home. I really don't need the hassle. I just hope we don't lose power. That always sucks.

Fearless

(18,421 posts)
13. Power outage is unfortunately likely in many areas
Sun Jan 25, 2015, 03:32 PM
Jan 2015

Especially along the coast. They're looking at hurricane force wind gusts.

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freshwest

(53,661 posts)
14. Hope some people will be able to stay at home. That farmer's got the idea. Respect for those who
Sun Jan 25, 2015, 06:58 PM
Jan 2015
cannot stay out of the weather and have to go work for others... be they public or private workers... Good luck.

inanna

(3,547 posts)
15. Blizzard Warnings For New York City, Boston, Parts of 7 States
Sun Jan 25, 2015, 09:37 PM
Jan 2015

Published Jan 25 2015 07:17 PM EST

Potentially Historic Northeast Snowstorm

New York City is under a blizzard warning and Boston is under a blizzard watch in anticipation of Winter Storm Juno, which will be a major snowstorm for the Northeast Monday through Tuesday night, lingering into Wednesday morning. Parts of the region will see blizzard conditions and more than 2 feet of snow.

The high confidence in forecast wind and snowfall has led the National Weather Service to issue blizzard warnings well in advance of the storm. Those warnings stretch from parts of New Jersey all the way to Downeast Maine, including the cities of Boston, Providence, Hartford and Portland. The warnings go into effect as early as 1 p.m. Monday in the New York City area; the warnings for Downeast Maine begin in the wee hours of Tuesday morning. Most of the warnings are valid through late Tuesday night.

At least 28 million people are under the blizzard warnings. An additional 11 million people are under winter storm warnings, mostly in areas adjacent to the blizzard warning zone.

Now is the time to prepare and make sure you have the supplies you need for this potentially historic winter storm. Do not proceed with any travel plans in the affected areas late Monday and Tuesday or you could put yourself in great danger.

Link: http://www.weather.com/storms/winter/news/winter-storm-juno-snow-clipper-midwest-mid-atlantic-northeast-storm-early-week

Whoa. Just got home and saw this in my newsfeed.

Please take care and stay safe to all DUers in the region!

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