YELLOWSTONE BEGINS TRANSFERRING BISON FOR SLAUGHTER
Source: AP
BY MATTHEW BROWN
BILLINGS, Mont. (AP) -- Yellowstone National Park has begun shipping wild bison for slaughter as part of a plan to reduce the park's population by as many as 900 animals this winter.
On Wednesday and Thursday, more than 150 bison captured near the park's northern border with Montana were removed from holding, loaded onto trailers and shipped off, according to the Buffalo Field Campaign, a wildlife advocacy group.
There were 4,900 bison in the park last summer. For more than two decades, officials have tried to curb the animals' winter migration into Montana to guard against potential disease transmission to livestock.
Park spokesman Al Nash confirmed the shipments of recently-captured animals for slaughter. But he said the park no longer plans to offer timely updates on how many bison are captured and shipped.
FULL story at link.
Interagency Bison Management Plan: : http://ibmp.info
Read more: http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_YELLOWSTONE_BISON?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2015-01-22-18-22-24
rocktivity
(44,576 posts)Last I heard, a city in Montana was told not to drink their water -- oh, they've lifted the ban.
And I sure don't like their ban on timely updates. Why -- do they plan to lead the bison to water and make them drink?
rocktivity
It's very stupid, f'd up program that has been killing our wildlife to satisfy the cattle barons over who gets to eat the grass. They claim a hand full of stupid, not based on the science reasons for the need to kill off bison but it's really very similar to the RWNJs in our government claiming all the stupid crapola they come up with like the US being a christian nation. It's that stupid. the cattle barons have been losing the oligarchic control they once enjoyed for nearly a century and this is one of the death throes of that bygone era in this part of the planet. It's stupid, it's criminal and we pay over $3 million a year to fund this travesty.
Read the whole story here:
http://www.buffalofieldcampaign.org/
WARNING: Some of the videos are NSFW and definitely graphically gory.
Pisses me off just thinking about it. Mind you, I live near enough to the park to have a bison occasionally pass through the property where I live, and I love it and I love them. Bison are intelligent, they recognize individual humans and know who the assholes are, and those are the only people who need to be concerned about them. they will attack your vehicle if you have been a jerk to any member of a family group or even an individual. They are marvelous and we should be protecting them, especially the Yellowstone bison since all the others that you see around the country are interbred with cows making this group genetically pure.
Drahthaardogs
(6,843 posts)and brucellosis is a devastating disease in cattle.
2naSalit
(86,646 posts)As I said, red herring. It is about who gets to eat the grass when you boil down the fluff surrounding the argument.
Some points to consider:
Brucella abortis was passed on to the YNP bison... all remaining 12 or 14 of them... 100 years ago by the Army who was managing the park at the time. They were concerned that the calves would starve so they fed them milk from their cows to keep them from starving and it was passed to the bison from the Army's cattle who were kept out at the Lamar Valley post.
So eventually the cattle barons, having ultimate power in this neck of the woods back then* came to realize that the grass is sparse and if the elk and bison are eating it, the cattle - who don't belong here - would not have enough acreage per cow of grass to sustain them started making a stink about the bison and elk. Eventually they figured out that the brucellosis issue was a good argument and it worked for decades. But science has thwarted that argument for decades now. The cattle industry are still trying to throw their weight around over the issue and they are losing.
Why? Because after years of studies, it has been shown that there has never been a case of brucelosis EVER being transferred from bison to cattle, even to this day. And if the Montana cattle barons really wanted to address this issue they would choose to vaccinate their goddamn cows... or take them east where the main question is, how many cows can you put on an acre of grass as opposed to the question in the mountains is, how many acres do you need for ONE COW?
Your argument is the same sad, worn out bluster I/we've been hearing for decades and it is complete BS.
The park can actually support 4.000+ bison but they have to leave the park (boundaries of which are entirely political and which bison don't recognize when seeking food especially in winter) and their traditional calving grounds outside the western boundary. Not to mention they go back into the park of their own accord in summer when the few cattle trucked in to the area from elsewhere show up.
Brucella abortis is specific in how it is transferred from animal to animal which requires that the animal to be infected has to actually lick o consume the placenta of an aborted calf - within a couple hours of the event - to actually become infected. Just try to get your cows who show up months after the bison return to the park to slurp up some fresh placenta from an aborted bison calf. Go on, I'm waiting.
And do you know what? Elk are the transporters of the disease in the area BUT they have a well financed lobby so they aren't harassed and run to death while being hazed back into the park by a State of Montana Agency (MT Dept of Livestock to be exact) who think they should be managing wildlife on federally administered public lands at taxpayer expense... >$3million/year (the get new p/u trucks and snowmobiles not to mention the use of helicopters every year for this event...).
*The cattle barons wouldn't have come out here to exploit the grazing (non) opportunity out here is the government hadn't killed off all the bison, put the Native Americans on reservations and sanitized the region of predators and given them $$ incentives. There is not way to actually make the industry profitable without all the incentives that the government - actually we the taxpayers - give them. This is the real issue.
Sure, brucellosis is an ugly illness for humans and causes cows who are infected to abort their first calf but you really have to work at it to get it, unless you graze your cows around elk. And it doesn't kill the infected cows but it can deplete your profits when it comes to calving time. Best response would be to vaccinate your cows or go graze them someplace else. You know, the whole brucellosis issue, if you are truly concerned about it would be avoided by grazing your cattle just about anywhere else on the planet than here. Same goes for those who whine about them hanging around their trophy homes, could build them just about anywhere else on the planet to avoid the problem perceived.
adigal
(7,581 posts)They did that in the east, I recall.
do you understand the difference between domesticated and WILDlife? If you start treating the wildlife with all kind of drugs, like they do with the elk in Western Wyoming, is it still wildlife?
If the bison were left alone and not terrorized for the sake of a dying industry, there would be no problem. And really, it's basically one very rich hobby rancher that is being appeased here. Birth control is plain stupid for wildlife when it is the domesticated cattle that should be tended to better. Aside form not accepting the protections they should be affording their domestic cattle, the ranchers could just do their damned job. If you were out here, you'd understand how pampered by the government (with our tax $$) is with these overly romanticized cowfolk.
People really need to study how this crap is going down and why it matters even to the folks in NYC and elsewhere. It's our wildlife, who spend the majority of their time inside Yellowstone NP, they come out in winter to find forage and there's a small area (look this up on a map to the west of the park you'll see a lake called Hebgen lake with a peninsula jutting into it) and that's where the bison from the western herd like to go and bear their young. They've been doing this for a very long time and wasn't a problem until cattle ranchers and a few 1%ers decided they wanted to take that away from the wildlife. But they also want the ecosystem that the wildlife provide. You can't have it both ways, nature doesn't work that way.
adigal
(7,581 posts)control to control their numbers. Thanks anyway.
Drahthaardogs
(6,843 posts)So they don't migrate lower into the valleys in the winter. But nice try.
2naSalit
(86,646 posts)You won't find them feeding the elk anywhere else. And Furthermore, the feeding grounds are also disease breeding grounds even though they treat the pellets with medications etc.
Another swing and a miss.
LeftyMom
(49,212 posts)He's reliable, I'll give him that.
2naSalit
(86,646 posts)mistake to spewing about something that is not only in my front yard but also one of my specialties.
Thanks for your tip though. Much appreciated. As you can see from all my comments that it's a big deal for me because I, along with others who have invested far more than I, have to call BS on the constant misinformation about this and other issues regarding the wildlife in and around Yellowstone ecosystem. This is important.
Beartracks
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2naSalit
(86,646 posts)Panich52
(5,829 posts)Panich52
(5,829 posts)marym625
(17,997 posts)And why not the updates?
MicaelS
(8,747 posts)Considering how many Native Americans live in poverty, I'm sure they will appreciate the meat, hides, horns, etc.
marym625
(17,997 posts)BThat is a good thing
But it seems that there has to be a better way than keeping the population inside the park just to have to butcher them.
It hasn't been that long, in the scheme of things, that the Bison was nearly a goner. 4 different kinds are extinct. So, just seems sad
Adrahil
(13,340 posts)I had a Bison steak a couple years ago. It was awesome!
2naSalit
(86,646 posts)Bison meat is leaner, more flavorful and for the most part has little if any medical additives. It's a little drier but it's way better quality and taste than beef.
Omaha Steve
(99,660 posts)It is the reason behind it from the ranchers. Buffalo belong there.
Marta and I have buffalo a couple times a month. It is a great meat.
2naSalit
(86,646 posts)that the c'boys like to abuse the shit out of these animals to such a degree that much of the meat is ruined before it gets to the NAs and the hides and heads aren't even in a condition to make use of them.
I know it sounds good on the corporate news but really, it's not at all like they make it sound. been there when what they call "the meat" has been released and the tribal folks look at it and walk away. Maybe they've cleaned up their act to some degree but if saw how the tribes are treated out here you'd be really pissed off.
2naSalit
(86,646 posts)marym625
(17,997 posts)That was nice of you. I appreciate it
2naSalit
(86,646 posts)I know where to look for that info. It's right here in my front yard so I am aware of the sh*tstorm.
The BFC group have been documenting this whole thing since the late 1980s and have the quintessential info hub.
You're quite welcome.
marym625
(17,997 posts)The thread and your post and links on this. Great information. .you should put up a post about it. Can't have too many on the subject.
Have a great night
2naSalit
(86,646 posts)I'll just fill in the blanks since I'm here. The number of comments will keep it from sinking to the bottom of the pile.
Have a great evening yourself.
marym625
(17,997 posts)As he always does. I follow him around some days just reading and recing him. Just meant that the more out there about it, the better.
2naSalit
(86,646 posts)tomorrow. I need to gather up some info that I can present links for which would take more time than I can offer at the moment. I have all day tomorrow to do the topic justice.
I agree OS does a great job of finding and presenting lots of info. I have come to accept that DU is one of my better news sources simply because so many offer news that would take hours to seek out alone. I used to do that, read about fifteen or more news sites a day. DU is a great place to find info in places I never thought of looking.
marym625
(17,997 posts)I will watch for your post!
2naSalit
(86,646 posts)NCarolinawoman
(2,825 posts)Another Salazar deal? All nature is the enemy, don'tcha know!
2naSalit
(86,646 posts)Last edited Mon Jan 26, 2015, 12:28 AM - Edit history (1)
since way back in the 70s at least. The folks at the link below have been monitoring, documenting/filming this since the late 80s.
Warning: Some of the videos available at the link are NSFW/gory but real.
http://www.buffalofieldcampaign.org/
Edited to add, in answer to your question of who's running this trainwreck...
These people:
Interagency Bison Management Plan: : http://ibmp.info
turbinetree
(24,703 posts)Maybe, Mr. Nash and his corporate ranchers should be asking the Cheyenne, Lakota, Arapahoe , Shoshoni, Blackfeet, Sioux what they want done with the Tatanka, they know how to use the animal and for what ceremonies and it is off there sacred ground.
He forgets that it was and always has been the European cattle that was introduced to this land and the cattle have the brucellosis disease to this land, just like the chicken pox and measles.
They always say the native species is the danger and cause the disease---don't think so
2naSalit
(86,646 posts)Mr. Nash isn't the problem, he's just doing his job. It is up to others to do the right thing but that's what they go out of their way to avoid.
To be fair, there were some bison, finally, released to tribal lands in eastern MT earlier last year... they were kept on Ted Turner's property until all the law suits were settled... but only after being captured and quarantined for years. And there is a hunt for bison on the northern range, north of YNP as well.
But if course it's all about the ranchers.
What poeple also don't realize is that these are sentient beings, they recognize individual people, they have families and they protect each other when threatened. If you ever go to YNP in the summer you may find that when a group of bison want to cross the road, a big bull will walk out into the road and block traffic until all the group have crossed to the other side. They are awesome creatures and should have more respect than they get.
glinda
(14,807 posts)NickB79
(19,253 posts)Auction off 500 hunting licenses at $1000/animal, and I guarantee they'd all sell out.
$500,000 for park conservation (vs the cost we're spending to capture and ship them out now), and the maintenance of a viable bison population to boot.
Drahthaardogs
(6,843 posts)Hunters and fishermen finance conservation
glinda
(14,807 posts)Just mine. To me man is incapable of thinking of anything but his self and his own "hobbies or pleasures" first. He is incapable of thinking of other species well being for their own sake for the most part.
Drahthaardogs
(6,843 posts)But you are wrong if you do not think that hunters and fishermen fund most conservation. In fact, many get upset when their dollars are used for wildlife viewing areas etc. because they see it is a contradiction. Sportsman dollars being used for nonsportsmen activities.
CountAllVotes
(20,875 posts)I don't care WHO ends up with the meat!
This is a disgrace!
sinkingfeeling
(51,457 posts)transferred to livestock?
RKP5637
(67,111 posts)they can to F it up ongoing. I get tired of humans thinking the universe has to be managed. Eventually some one/thing will likely start managing humans. What a twist of fate that will be.
2naSalit
(86,646 posts)Sunlei
(22,651 posts)There could be organized spring hunt groups. with no need for helicopter round-ups terrorizing all the Yellowstone animals for miles around.
And a huge savings of OUR Federal money the Gov. pays private contractors about a thousand per animal to helicopter round-up and ship to slaughter. Many animals are wounded, crippled, suffer and die on those round-ups. Even though the gov says, 'we turn over the meat', that meat costs the taxpayers about $100 a lb or more. Its also torture to me and plenty of other people to see the suffering the buffalo have to endure from our Govs crappy management.
In 1832, the artist George Catlin may have been the first to suggest the idea of a national preserve when after ascending the Missouri River, ironically on the steamboat Yellowstone, he suggested that much of the West should be set aside for the Indians and buffalo to roam in their natural state: "A nation's Park, in all their wild freshness of their nature's beauty."
2naSalit
(86,646 posts)packman
(16,296 posts)What about all those multi-millionaires with their vast acreage - couldn't they take a few? Seems like Ted Turner did something like that a few years back.
A few days back I posted a disgusting pix of some grinning assholes holding a dead mountain lion killed because of its danger to livestock. Now, they are culling buffalo herds because of their potential danger of infecting cow herds. Something wrong here.
2naSalit
(86,646 posts)A good place to get the actual truth on the matter:
This group has been fighting this crap for twenty years and counting...
http://www.buffalofieldcampaign.org/
Warning, some of the videos are pretty gruesome.
Omaha Steve
(99,660 posts)http://therainforestsite.greatergood.com/clickToGive/trs/petition/DOW-NeedlessBisonSlaughter
Sponsored by: Defenders of Wildlife
The killing may begin any day, and it has the potential to be the worst slaughter of wild bison since 2008 when 1,600 bison were sent to their deaths simply for roaming outside Yellowstone's boundaries.
Yellowstone is home to the most important herd of wild bison in North America. Agencies plan to slaughter up to 900 of this 4,900-strong herd in the next few months, once again preventing the herds expansion and setting back bison restoration.
Bison are icons of the American West. Slaughtered by the millions a century ago, they were driven to the brink of extinction. Today, we have an opportunity to reverse this national wildlife tragedy. Tell Governor Steve Bullock and Yellowstone Superintendent Dan Wenk to stop the slaughter and let bison roam outside of Yellowstone National Park!
SIGN at link. You must click TWICE!!!
Judi Lynn
(160,545 posts)It's the world's loss, clearly.
Why should filthy interests be allowed to have power over life and death, anyway?
Clearly this man is not appropriate for this job. He's just not bright and good enough.
Thank you, Omaha Steve, for the link.
2naSalit
(86,646 posts)with an honest account of what's going on is attached below. But first let me say that Defenders has only recently jumped on the bandwagon on this issue. It is a good thing for exposure but the folks at the link below have been on the ground and lobbying about this for decades.
http://www.buffalofieldcampaign.org/
wordpix
(18,652 posts)The ranchers don't like bison on their land, which is probably BLM or National Forest anyway?
Or is it pressure from hunters who want to kill bison for sport?
2naSalit
(86,646 posts)They used to rule the day out here and are trying to maintain their death grip on the management of wildlife.
It's Gallatin NF and a small strip of private land. The majority of the landowners don't want the State of MT chasing the bison around on their land and are mostly fine with the bison being there. They tell the hazing people to get off their land and they trespass anyway.
And then there are those who want to kill for sport. There are a number of hunting tags reserved for Native Americans but really the whole issue is such a catastrophuck that there needs to be more outcry from the general public without abatement.
NickB79
(19,253 posts)Yellowstone can only support so many bison, and the park is surrounded by a mix of private and public land, largely used by ranchers for grazing cattle.
And while wolf re-introduction has reduced bison numbers a bit, it's also caused them to move more, as they're harassed by wolf packs when in years past they could camp out in the park and not worry about predators.
2naSalit
(86,646 posts)has nothing to do with the predators in the big picture. They have traditional calving grounds and they have done this for a long time as well as the fact that when conditions warrant, and forage is not available in the higher elevations inside the park, they leave seeking forage in the lower elevations which happen to be outside the park. When late spring comes around, they go back into the park all by themselves.
ETA:
http://www.thewildlifenews.com/2015/01/23/yellowstone-park-bison-are-being-sent-to-slaughter/
aint_no_life_nowhere
(21,925 posts)and several parks like Wind Cave and Mt. Rushmore which had herds of bison roaming free. Mt. Rushmore in their cafeteria served buffalo meat stew apparently made from the park's efforts to thin the herd. The meat had a very pronounced "wild" or gamey taste which was quite good. By the way, the cafeteria was the same one as in the film North By Northwest.
2naSalit
(86,646 posts)The only actually genetically pure herds of bison in the US are the YNP herds. The only way they get to the dinner table is from hunting and this horrid practice.
aint_no_life_nowhere
(21,925 posts)The herds I saw from the car in 1963 at Wind Cave National Park in South Dakota looked like buffalo through and through and were called buffalo. Some of them were huge. I saw no cows there but if there was interbreeding it was a very small amount.
And according to wikipedia (granted, it's not always accurate) the South Dakota herd is genetically pure.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wind_Cave_bison_herd
"...The Wind Cave bison herd is a herd of 250400 American bison in Wind Cave National Park, South Dakota, USA. It is believed to be one of only four free roaming and genetically pure herds on public lands in North America. The other three herds are the Yellowstone Park bison herd, the Henry Mountains bison herd in Central Utah, and on Elk Island in Alberta, Canada. The Wind Cave herd are of the Plains bison subspecies (Bison bison bison). ..."
FLPanhandle
(7,107 posts)I understand the size of the park can only support so many Buffalo, but maybe an increase in predators would do the job?
2naSalit
(86,646 posts)especially when the state who surround the park are pissed off about the wolves and hunt them which destroys the pack dynamics to a point that it is a detriment to the integrity of all wildlife in the area.
The park can support well over 4.000 head.
The preferred prey for wolves is elk, they will eat bison but they get their asses kicked just going after elk, bison really rip them up. The average success rate of wolf kills is one out of nine. It's much more difficult, and takes more individual wolves in a hunting group to take down even a very sick bison, and not all of the wolves survive the event.
Humans are the problem here. I say that because there wasn't a problem until people started playing god.
LeftyMom
(49,212 posts)2naSalit
(86,646 posts)Thank you for posting this thread for the exposure and the petition!!