Francis is officially the most popular Pope as six million turn out for record-breaking mass in Mani
Source: TelegraphUK
Pope's open air mass sets world record for papal gathering, surpassing the 5 million record set by St. John Paul II at the same park in 1995
Six million people turned out to see Pope Francis celebrate mass in the Philippine capital Sunday, making it a world record crowd for a papal gathering.
Pope Francis ended his Asian pilgrimage Sunday with an appeal for the future of the Catholic Church, urging rain-soaked Filipinos to protect their young from sin and vice so they can instead become missionaries of the faith.
He made the appeal personal by embracing a 12-year-old rescued street child who wept in his arms over the plight of children abandoned by their families and forced into prostitution and drug use.
Read more: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/the-pope/11353460/Francis-is-officially-the-most-popular-Pope-as-six-million-turn-out-for-record-breaking-mass-in-Manila.html
underpants
(182,834 posts)Jesus Malverde
(10,274 posts)Jesus
belzabubba333
(1,237 posts)Jesus Malverde
(10,274 posts)monmouth4
(9,708 posts)very well organized. I thought communion would be a problem but they had priests all over the place to administer. Very nice and Pope Francis was a very happy and upbeat...
mountain grammy
(26,626 posts)are you watching politicians??? Speak to the people!
zeemike
(18,998 posts)Populism works.
J_J_
(1,213 posts)zeemike
(18,998 posts)And it could happen if the Democrats run a corporatist that does not speak to the people.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)"Pope Francis has attacked same-sex marriage, saying those who support it are attempting redefine the very institution of marriage.
Speaking at a mass in Manila, Pope Francis made the comments, despite having recently appeared to be softening his stance on the issue of gay or lesbian couples marrying.
He said: The family is threatened by growing efforts on the part of some to redefine the very institution of marriage. These realities are increasingly under attack from powerful forces which threaten to disfigure Gods plan for creation."
http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2015/01/16/pope-francis-same-sex-marriage-disfigures-gods-plan-for-creation/#at_pco=smlwn-1.0&at_si=54ba022f55ef2b36&at_ab=per-2&at_pos=0&at_tot=1
I picked a decidedly LGBT link to the story to balance the right wing nature of the Telegraph.
And remember, it is religion that is under attack. Poor, poor believers, with those nasty gay atheists holding massive rallies where we denigrate them....oh wait, THEY hold the rallies and denigrate US? Well that's different.
Hypocrisy is a Sacrament.
Jesus Malverde
(10,274 posts)In an otherwise stale atmosphere of the status quo.
Arugula Latte
(50,566 posts)MrMickeysMom
(20,453 posts)I'm not a practicing christian, certainly not catholic, but grew up with this religion.
He IS what we need today. See this article: http://www.democraticunderground.com/1016111707
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)because the fascists are waiting in the wings.
If only they could somehow control the Media, Congress, the Courts AND the WH and the omnipotent military machine that comes with it...how do you think that would go?
3 out of 4 ain't bad, but fascism requires it all.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)I do not 'have his back' and I consider him to be something of a fascist. I'm sure you are perfectly comfortable with his denigration of LGBT people, the insulting language, the intention offense, even though you spent days here claiming that anyone who feels insulted has a right to respond. You shouted hate speech at liberal cartoons, now you demand we support a man who speaks hate against me.
It's not the religions that are the problem. It's the hypocrisy.
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)"Pope Francis has attacked same-sex marriage, saying those who support it are attempting redefine the very institution of marriage.
Speaking at a mass in Manila, Pope Francis made the comments, despite having recently appeared to be softening his stance on the issue of gay or lesbian couples marrying.
He said: The family is threatened by growing efforts on the part of some to redefine the very institution of marriage. These realities are increasingly under attack from powerful forces which threaten to disfigure Gods plan for creation.
http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2015/01/16/pope-francis-same-sex-marriage-disfigures-gods-plan-for-creation/#at_pco=smlwn-1.0&at_si=54ba022f55ef2b36&at_ab=per-2&at_pos=0&at_tot=1
And it is 'cute' that you think I must agree with the Advocate because I'm gay. Can I assume you agree with Pat Robertson because you are Christian? Would that be fair, or really shitty?
It's not the faith that sucks, it's the hypocrisy.
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)Trust me on this one.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)It's rude and dismissive.
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)nt
7962
(11,841 posts)Neither the left or the right have a corner on the hypocrisy market!
Humanist_Activist
(7,670 posts)as a disfigurement on God's plan?
He is just like Robertson/Falwell on certain issues.
7962
(11,841 posts)A lot of people here are quick to say that terrorists are not representative of all of Islam, so the same must be said of the pope.
Humanist_Activist
(7,670 posts)where the fuck did you pull that from?
But the Pope is a homophobic, misogynist.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)magazine'. I did not equate anyone to Robertson. So why don't you answer the question I asked that poster? Is it right to assume that a person shares opinion with others in their 'group' as the poster did to me? Yes or no? I say no.
7962
(11,841 posts)especially when it comes to republicans or gun owners. "ALL republicans are racists" "homophobes", the list is long. I dont agree with it at all, and i think it cheapens the site by being so closed minded, but a lot of folks here have no problem with it. When I differ, I get accused of everything short of murder!!
And I dont get it.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)A bit of truth and Francis fans fall silent.
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)Gotta be quick in these parts.
zeemike
(18,998 posts)If they believe the positive message he is speaking...and I am not silent.
But many will be because they just don't want to fight...and that is what you are offering them.
NYC Liberal
(20,136 posts)Francis says "Who am I to judge?" because he believes gays have a disorder so we can't help ourselves. And, by the way, "seeks the Lord with good will" includes not having sex or having any kind of intimate relationship -- and certainly not getting married.
This is NOT an issue of "agree to disagree" or "You can like him and just disagree with some things he believes." Francis has said horrific things about us.
Sure, maybe he's got the right idea about some economic issues. But there are plenty of people who are right on economic issues but who aren't also bigots. Let's support THEM.
AZ Progressive
(3,411 posts)onehandle
(51,122 posts)They don't understand the meaning of 'progress.'
Humanist_Activist
(7,670 posts)former9thward
(32,028 posts)Humanist_Activist
(7,670 posts)misogynists.
former9thward
(32,028 posts)I don't know what "most" Catholics think about those things. But in my experience most support the Pope.
Humanist_Activist
(7,670 posts)former9thward
(32,028 posts)Are you saying "most" American Catholics do not support the Pope? American Catholics in general may support gay marriage but they also support the Pope who you have labeled homophobic and misogynist. Should people who are supporting a misogynist and homophobic leader be purged from the Democratic Party?
Humanist_Activist
(7,670 posts)Yes or no?
In addition, is homophobia as bad as racism?
Yes or no?
Also, and I'll note, many American Catholics like this Pope because they think he's progressive in all the issues they are progressive in, which seems to be an excellent example of poor media coverage.
former9thward
(32,028 posts)I won't answer yours.
Humanist_Activist
(7,670 posts)economic issues, I have no problem with them. But if they support the Pope in social issues, then they should be booted from the party.
Now will you answer?
former9thward
(32,028 posts)Democrats will never win another national election.
As far as your first question, homophobic means fear of gays. Opposing equal rights for gays is a legal matter and it may or may not have anything to do with a fear of gays. Second question: No, homophobia does not equal racism. Racism means superiority over another race. homophobia means fear of gays. Two different things. But both are civil rights issues.
Humanist_Activist
(7,670 posts)Which is, by the way, the argument OF homophobes, similar to the arguments of racists who say they just advocate for separation of races, not inherent superiority.
Here, let me illuminate it for you:
https://www.google.com/search?q=homophobia&oq=homophobia&aqs=chrome..69i57j69i59j69i61.2449j0j7&sourceid=chrome&es_sm=93&ie=UTF-8
Click that, look at the first thing listed, oh, and by the way, this is also the colloquial definition, go to any pro-LGBT website that comments on homophobes and they aren't talking about people who just fear gay people.
Oh, and the clincher is this: "No homophobia doesn't equal racism." Yeah, that's it, conversation is fucking impossible, I cannot talk to someone who feels LGBT people are second class citizens.
former9thward
(32,028 posts)Humanist_Activist
(7,670 posts)without being booted from this discussion board, how are you NOT a homophobic bigot?
former9thward
(32,028 posts)and someone who falsely tries to attribute words when they were never said. You are not worthy of discussion.
Humanist_Activist
(7,670 posts)to minimize the real damage it does to LGBT people, its obvious you are NOT LGBT friendly, you should perhaps find a board more suitable to your inclinations.
Humanist_Activist
(7,670 posts)J_J_
(1,213 posts)J_J_
(1,213 posts)It turns out that income inequality is now the Republicans number one issue, they will be the ones to fight for the poor, so they will stop bashing him?
Iggo
(47,558 posts)Arugula Latte
(50,566 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)But the "I like this pope!" brigade want us to ignore their bigot's hate speech.
Republicans who spout the same vile rhetoric get raked over the coals here but this guy gets a pass.
Orsino
(37,428 posts)...and then there's welcoming a homophobe's becoming marginally less homophobic. I have no problem with anyone calling him the Best Pope Evar, as long as we acknowledge that he's still a pope.
Arugula Latte
(50,566 posts)"Best case of measels ever!"
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jmowreader
(50,560 posts)So THAT explains all those Filipino nail techs!
Brigid
(17,621 posts)I thoroughly enjoyed it. And more importantly, so did the people there.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)Sickening.
skepticscott
(13,029 posts)and forced into prostitution and drug use? Couldn't be because their families had children they didn't want and couldn't support, now could it? Couldn't be because the Catholic Church has rabidly opposed any form of artificial contraception, now could it? Couldn't becasue they've convinced their flock that they'll burn in hell if they go against church teachings on birth control, now could it? Couldn't be because their church told them "God will provide", and their misbegotten "god" didn't, now could it?
What a hollow piece of work this pope is.
blkmusclmachine
(16,149 posts)billhicks76
(5,082 posts)They have always been in the minority and that's why they use their money to control the airwaves and pretend they have lots of support. They are whores.
GeorgeGist
(25,321 posts)Bradical79
(4,490 posts)Though it's an extremely low bar. Still holds a couple disgusting views, but I only expect so much from the leader of religious sect with over 1000 years of hatred, violence and oppression in their highest office. And you can't expect homosexuals and those who believe they should be true equals morally and legally to not be very critical of him when he says the things he does.
LiberalElite
(14,691 posts)Corey_Baker08
(2,157 posts)& to be clear, I'm not even Catholic...