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alp227

(32,026 posts)
Sun Apr 15, 2012, 10:49 PM Apr 2012

Advocates fear tax-credit rule will exclude some from health-care benefit

Source: Washington Post

Consumer advocates, physician groups and several Democratic lawmakers are fighting a quiet battle over a key benefit in the health-care law: tax credits to help millions of people purchase insurance.

At issue is a section of the law that outlines when low- and moderate-income employees can opt out of their employer’s coverage and instead get federal subsidies to buy insurance through new state-based marketplaces, called exchanges.

The debate over who qualifies for subsidies has been overshadowed by more polarizing issues such as the government’s authority to require most people to buy insurance. But if the Supreme Court upholds the law — or even most of the law — the way the tax-credit dispute is resolved will help determine how many people can get subsidized coverage.

A proposed Treasury Department rule says workers and their families cannot qualify for those subsidies unless their employer’s plan is unaffordable because it exceeds 9.5 percent of their household income.

Read more: http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/advocates-fear-tax-credit-rule-will-exclude-some-from-health-care-benefit/2012/04/15/gIQAJuW6JT_singlePage.html

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Advocates fear tax-credit rule will exclude some from health-care benefit (Original Post) alp227 Apr 2012 OP
The devil is always in the details, elleng Apr 2012 #1
This is the most labyrinthine mess I've ever seen. How in the world truth2power Apr 2012 #2
Single Payer has been shown to save over 500 Billion annually BUT NorthCarolina Apr 2012 #8
BUT, I seem to be hearing more and more about single payer.... truth2power Apr 2012 #9
Single-payer will never reach the tipping point JustABozoOnThisBus Apr 2012 #10
Tax credits only work when someone makes enough to pay taxes DJ13 Apr 2012 #3
+1 freshwest Apr 2012 #7
What did the CBO use to estimate the cost of the program? dkf Apr 2012 #4
If we didn't have a government for sale magic59 Apr 2012 #5
I am glad we finally have something to address indivisibleman Apr 2012 #6

elleng

(130,956 posts)
1. The devil is always in the details,
Sun Apr 15, 2012, 11:06 PM
Apr 2012

and I expect many amendments and lots of litigation re: the law. Not necessarily a bad thing, just highly likely.

truth2power

(8,219 posts)
2. This is the most labyrinthine mess I've ever seen. How in the world
Sun Apr 15, 2012, 11:06 PM
Apr 2012

could single-payer not be simpler and less expensive?

 

NorthCarolina

(11,197 posts)
8. Single Payer has been shown to save over 500 Billion annually BUT
Mon Apr 16, 2012, 12:00 PM
Apr 2012

(Yes, I know...everyone always has a big BUT) There is NO SUPPORT for it outside of the Congressional Progressive Caucus, and of course over 70% of the general public. Neither of those entities has the wherewithal to even force serious discussion of the topic against the opposing forces, GOP and Right-of-Centrist Democrats.

truth2power

(8,219 posts)
9. BUT, I seem to be hearing more and more about single payer....
Tue Apr 17, 2012, 12:06 PM
Apr 2012

this is going to reach the tipping point somewhere along the line.

Also, as I said in another thread today, I don't think the SCOTUS will overturn ACA because that would be a gift to single payer proponents.

IMO, and I know not every DUer will agree, ACA is mostly a benefit to health insurance and pharmaceutical companies. The Supremes won't touch that.

JustABozoOnThisBus

(23,350 posts)
10. Single-payer will never reach the tipping point
Tue Apr 17, 2012, 12:50 PM
Apr 2012

Unless we're talking about the tips that the insurance companies leave for congressional staff.

The companies will lavish huge amounts on the members of congress and provide job offers for members and staff to gain their votes. Big pharma did this to ensure that medicare can't negotiate drug prices. The insurance industry will make Pharma money look like peanuts.

I agree that ACA is a benefit to insurers, or at least it does no harm to insurers. But the Supremes vote largely on ideology. They have it made for life, so can afford to ignore much of the economic arguments. I have no clue how they'll vote on ACA.

DJ13

(23,671 posts)
3. Tax credits only work when someone makes enough to pay taxes
Sun Apr 15, 2012, 11:30 PM
Apr 2012

What good are credits to those who cant afford insurance because their wages are low?

 

dkf

(37,305 posts)
4. What did the CBO use to estimate the cost of the program?
Sun Apr 15, 2012, 11:37 PM
Apr 2012

Isn't that what should be used as it is how the program was sold to the public?

 

magic59

(429 posts)
5. If we didn't have a government for sale
Sun Apr 15, 2012, 11:45 PM
Apr 2012

we would have universal healthcare for all by now. We must settle for a mess of a bill while 57 thousand people die every year before the mess takes effect.

indivisibleman

(482 posts)
6. I am glad we finally have something to address
Mon Apr 16, 2012, 12:10 AM
Apr 2012

the health delivery issues that exist in America. But this state based marketplace makes me nervous. Sure, it may be affordable but it may also be miserably inadequate.
I once opted for a less expensive health care plan. Everything looked fine on the surface but they regularly changed approved doctors and were miserable at paying bills on time. Customer service? forget it. Thank goodness I never needed any serious coverage while I was with them.
Does anyone know more about these exchanges and how they will be set up/structured?

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