Catholic League President Attacks Murdered Cartoonists: Charlie Hebdo ‘Perverts Freedom’
Source: Think Progress
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While journalists and free speech advocates across the country rally in support of free press following the murder of twelve French journalists at Charlie Hebdo this week, the leader of a U.S. Catholic group is blaming the satirical newspapers staff for the kind of intolerance that provoked this violent reaction.
In a blog post Wednesday and then a follow-up post Thursday, Catholic League President Bill Donohue said the cartoonists obscene portrayal of religious figures represents an abuse of freedom missing the fact that the First Amendment to the Constitution in the U.S and a similar law in France both guarantee freedom of speech and of the press.
Freedom of speech is not an endit is a means to an end, Donohue wrote on the Catholic League website. For Americans, the end is nicely spelled out in the Preamble to the U.S. Constitution
No fair-minded reading of the Preamble suggests that it was written to facilitate the right to intentionally and persistently insult people of faith with scatological commentary.
Donohue also specifically singles out the papers publisher Stephane Charbonnier, who was killed by the two shooters on Wednesday. It is too bad that he didnt understand the role he played in his tragic death, Donohue said.
Read more: http://thinkprogress.org/world/2015/01/08/3609637/donohue-charlie-hebdo/
The one-man, hackneyed Catholic League, who gets the vapors every time David Bowie or a musician pokes fun of Catholicism or people accurately point out the sex abuse scandals of the church, but gives his friend Rush Limbaugh a pass and defends him for calling Pope Francis a communist.
Naturally, Bill would side with the rightwing fundie murderers. Thank God the church is taking steps to move away from his conservative ilk under the current pope.
CJCRANE
(18,184 posts)share many of the same prophets.
Defame Moses or Abraham, for example, and you get a threefer.
warrant46
(2,205 posts)Into "getting even" against the monsters who run this Criminal Organization
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valerief
(53,235 posts)Laf.La.Dem.
(2,943 posts)WOW -
JDDavis
(725 posts)other religious folks killing innocent cartoonists and police?
Now I know most religion is totally irrational and self-serving.
Seeking "special pleadings", criticize anything else, from Obama to Sarah Palin, fine, but to criticize a religion? Nasty! Don't criticize or make fun of people's freedom to believe in ancient fairy tales. They "had it coming", for being nasty about someone's religion, I guess.
Rationalizing mass murder, that's what this Catholic leader is doing. Make a note of it. Remember it if he should ever open his mouth again about abortion, gay rights, whatever. This is the voice of a man who just rationalized mass murder.
Elmer S. E. Dump
(5,751 posts)But it's an interesting question people should probably be asking themselves - Is what I'm doing really worth kicking a hornets nest?
I try to stay clear of people that are FN crazy. To basically call them out is tantamount to declaring jihad on their religion. And call me a coward, or weak-kneed, but I am very good at self-survival brought about from knowing where the hornets nests are and avoiding them like the plague.
While the magazine people (victims) should not be blamed in this, they were aware of the possibility of something like this happening as we've seen it before. So while I don't blame them, and 100% blame the murderers, I can't help but feel that being respectful of others could have avoided this outcome.
Flame me if you want, but I'm just expressing my thought process. If you don't agree, please do so without insults.
JDDavis
(725 posts)No one wants to willingly put themselves in jeopardy of losing one's life.
However, it's hard to believe that just a few insulting cartoons in a small publication with 60,000 circulation in France could make religious nut-jobs want to murder. But this is the world we live in now.
Elmer S. E. Dump
(5,751 posts)FiveGoodMen
(20,018 posts)I think the nut-jobs want to murder already and are just looking for an excuse.
They're trying to impress their sky-daddy:
"See god? I hate the awful sinners as much as you. And did you hear what they SAID about you??!?!!? Well, I took care of that! Did you a solid. Love me?"
JDDavis
(725 posts)Some people kill for no reason. Some people have 1000 reasons, including their god.
I am more and more convinced that people are pre-disposed to violence and murder and killing, just as they are pre-disposed to Cancer, and other people live into their 90's as smokers and never get Cancer.
I lost a cousin at 11 and a half years old to Cancer. I am over 60 now, and my parents both never got Cancer before they died of old age. My cousin's parents both died of Cancer not too many years after their daughter died at 11.
How do people get afflicted with a desire to kill just like some people get afflicted with Cancer or some other disease at any early age? I wonder what we can actually do about violence sometimes, thinking it's like a Cancer of the mind on our evolutionary stage a few of us get afflicted with it, and kill a dozen Parisians or 2900+ in the USA in 2001. Same disease.
FiveGoodMen
(20,018 posts)Murder 'comes naturally' to chimpanzees
18 September 2014
http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-29237276
JDDavis
(725 posts)have a way of 20 or 30 components of coming together to:
1) produce LGBT people
2) produce people who die of Cancer at a very early age
3) produce people of incredible genius
4) produce people who commit suicide
5) Become serial murderers, rapists, etc. etc. etc.
6) I doubt that there's much really we can do to most people born, sometimes, and at other times, I think I really changed someone's life by my teaching and counseling them.
I just don't know
marshall
(6,665 posts)It sounds crazy when this guy says it because he is bringing in his own intolerance, but Carney was able to say essentially the same thing without being offensive.
Roy Rolling
(6,917 posts)So when someone murders a Catholic he'll say "they should have understood the role they played in their own murder".
If he was alive in year 33 a.d. I'm sure he would have said of Jesus's death: "he didn't understand the role he played in his tragic death."
No wonder organized religion is on the decline, morons like this make it like the blind leading the blind.
FiveGoodMen
(20,018 posts)They claim that God set the whole thing up so that his ritual suicide-by-empire would let us off the hook.
(But only if we believe it ... in exactly the right way ...)
calimary
(81,285 posts)That old crank is just irrelevant. I totally stand by this statement of yours, Adenoid_:
"Thank God the church is taking steps to move away from his conservative ilk under the current pope."
uhnope
(6,419 posts)nichomachus
(12,754 posts)He is the perfect frontman for the fascist bishops. He comes out and says all the things that they would like to say, but couldn't without some kind of retribution. Notice that they haven't disavowed him. Not only that, not that he's in the Rolodex, the networks trot him out as some kind of official spokesman for the church.
So it's win-win for the bishops. They get to get their message of hate on the air under the guise of authenticity and they don't have to be held accountable for it.
It's brilliant.
The US Conference of Bishops has taken pains in the past to specifically point out that Donohue and his dog-and-pony show do not represent the church in any size, shape, or fashion. There's plenty of legitimate criticisms to be made against the USCCB, but this just ain't one of them.
nichomachus
(12,754 posts)As they do pro-life politicians -- but they don't. They like what he says and they can claim he doesn't speak for them, but as long as the message gets out, they're happy. Win-win.
MFrohike
(1,980 posts)He hasn't done anything that would justify it. There's a clear line between claiming everything he doesn't like is anti-Catholic and actually claiming to speak for the church. If he ever goes over that line, it would be justified. Until then, or he decides to consecrate his own priests or something, he's just a loudmouth asshole making everyone else look bad. If that were the standard for excommunication, the church would be running out of bishops.
His claim to speak for all Catholics -- and the lazy media buying his bogus claim, and twisted message-- makes me insane.
irisblue
(32,975 posts)Tu es completement débile
turbinetree
(24,703 posts)This right wing hypocrite has no concept to what free speech is about, and to cast dispersion on someone that was and used his or her free speech rights and is dead for being satirical against the powers in charge just shows the hypocrisy that this so called priest enjoys on Fix Noise.
He should be defrocked.
He then can get a job on Fix Noise and sit right along with whomever is on the big white couch spreading more fear and hate.
That he goes on an empire /oligarchy, that is nothing more than a propaganda format for more hate and fear---go figure, look at what this empire of evil really does, people are really getting tired of this stuff coming out these hypocrites mouths.
Maybe this twit should read his churches history and go back to the Spanish Inquisition under the leadership of the Roman Catholic church (you know the state within in a state called the Roman Empire that is still in existence from by gone days in Italy, they condoned crucifixions as a form of law ) torturing another human for being a non-Catholic.
At least the current pontiff has a lot of common sense to realize that he is the brother and sister keeper and not this hypocrite.
TorchTheWitch
(11,065 posts)The Catholic League isn't part of the Catholic Church and never was. Originally it was founded to protect Catholics from discrimination and promoted free speech and civil rights. Under this nut as president it became something entirely different and not in a good way.
MBS
(9,688 posts)C_U_L8R
(45,002 posts)This self-absorbed SOB sure likes
to watch himself on the TeeVee.
Meh.
icymist
(15,888 posts)eom
Sunlei
(22,651 posts)NYC Liberal
(20,136 posts)If terrorists attack Catholic churches, or Catholic League employees, then using his logic it would be the church's own fault.
Apparently for him, it's only a "abuse" of free speech if it involves criticizing religion or his church. Spewing hateful invective day after day against gays is A-OK by him.
christx30
(6,241 posts)is actually a means to an end. It shows that not everyone holds his views with reverence. The scatalogical humor he hates is meant to show him and his ilk that there are people out here that reject him and his desire for control of our lives. If I could cover him in bovine excrement, I would do so to show that he is full of BS.
vkkv
(3,384 posts)What they do is, sell a product, salvation, which costs absolutely nothing to make and sell it to gullible people looking for answers that science can't entirely explain. Religious organizations have grown and profited through history by assimilating many cultures and traditions to spread it's viral poison of guilt, shame, selfishness and eternal life in Heaven, Garden Of The Gods, or Valhalla, or Elysian Fields, or The Cedar Forest or the Happy Hunting Ground, or, Stovokor...
Martin Luther formed a new church because the Pope was corruptly selling slices of Heaven known as "indulgences". The Pope was on the take from both poor and wealthy supporters.
Heaven? Now that is one big, eternal entitlement!
If I believe in God, then I am entitled to a cushy life in Heaven forever.
Just place cash in bowl.
If I believe in God, then I am entitled to a cushy life in Heaven forever.
Just place cash in bowl.
If I believe in God, then I am entitled to a cushy life in Heaven forever.
Just place cash...
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)met the first fool." attributed to Mark Twain and as true as can be.
Fuck Donohue and fuck those murderous, deluded assholes in Paris. Fundy religion is the most dangerous thing on the planet.
ChairmanAgnostic
(28,017 posts)Archae
(46,328 posts)"The Church can do no wrong..."
Fortinbras Armstrong
(4,473 posts)The statement attributed to Voltaire, "I disagree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it" is entirely foreign to him.
There are those who say that the "Catholic League" consists solely of Bill Donohue and a mimeograph machine. I do not consider Bill Donohue a spokesman for anyone except himself, and I have told him so to his face. Donohue speaks for a small coterie of conservative Catholics, and no one else.
JackInGreen
(2,975 posts)fuck Bill Donahue and the idiot network he rode in on.
Paladin
(28,262 posts)mylye2222
(2,992 posts)Johnny Rash
(227 posts)CanonRay
(14,103 posts)no big surprise here.
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)JackInGreen
(2,975 posts)Turds of an Odor, then?
candelista
(1,986 posts)Just the usual jeers and cheers.
JDDavis
(725 posts)Catholic morality?
Seems pretty clear to me that when some religious nut rationalizes mass murder there's a "moral issue" screwed up in his brain.
candelista
(1,986 posts)Or go back to cheering/jeering. Your choice.
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MNBrewer
(8,462 posts)candelista
(1,986 posts)That's not an issue. See if you can find a controversial moral problem in this discussion. I know you can do it!
MNBrewer
(8,462 posts)DinahMoeHum
(21,791 posts). . .and fundamentalists of ANY stripe have no sense of humor.
If your G@d can't stand laughter or satire, it's a fake faith.
Sunlei
(22,651 posts)RW will never get used to it
oberliner
(58,724 posts)Specifically this:
In a blog post Wednesday and then a follow-up post Thursday, Catholic League President Bill Donohue said the cartoonists obscene portrayal of religious figures represents an abuse of freedom missing the fact that the First Amendment to the Constitution in the U.S and a similar law in France both guarantee freedom of speech and of the press.
Freedom of speech is not an endit is a means to an end, Donohue wrote on the Catholic League website. For Americans, the end is nicely spelled out in the Preamble to the U.S. Constitution
No fair-minded reading of the Preamble suggests that it was written to facilitate the right to intentionally and persistently insult people of faith with scatological commentary.
Gore1FL
(21,132 posts)I think he is much more mis-infomred than I originally thought.
christx30
(6,241 posts)to become Catholic, deny women healthcare decisions, and persecute gays? Anything else is a bad use for freedom.
DisgustipatedinCA
(12,530 posts)Keep talking, Donohue.
Joey Liberal
(5,526 posts)Donohue is a rightwing nutjob, hiding behind religion.
bobclark86
(1,415 posts)The only thing I think of when I see him is this:
misterhighwasted
(9,148 posts)Ahem..
blackspade
(10,056 posts)Religion has become a haven for the mentally unhinged and fearful.
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)and they are even crazier. Religulous fundamentalism of all kinds is the single greatest threat to the long-ter survival of the species. Humanity must outgrow its addiction to believing in Iron Age fairy tales to survive and progress.
blackspade
(10,056 posts)LiberalElite
(14,691 posts)SunSeeker
(51,559 posts)Hopefully that will stop with Pope Francis. We'll see.
rpannier
(24,329 posts)And he did, when he sided with Penthouse magazine over the Rev Jerry Falwell
BruceStern
(13 posts)cab67
(2,993 posts)Really. I'm basically agnostic, but grew up Catholic and was very serious about it for many years. I never encountered someone like Bill Donoghue. I was decidedly from the left wing of the church, and my fondest memories come from college campus Catholic centers where my particular outlook was predominant, but even the most rabid right-wing Catholics I knew were more rational than Donoghue. They at least knew the difference between a fallible flesh-and-blood priest and a deity, and they understood that the days of burning heretics and forcing the church on other people were long over.
(I should stipulate that most of the practicing Catholics I knew were from the US, Canada, and UK. Levels of stridency seem to be higher in other countries, especially those where Catholicism was the state religion for centuries and the Reformation never really took root. Still, Donoghue seems extreme even for them.)
Why do the media give him any sort of attention?
47of74
(18,470 posts)I think for reich wing Catholics the church is not so much an institution dedicated to caring for the least of us, encouraging people to strive to be better, and trying to answer the fundamental questions about our human existence.
For them it's more about power and control, keeping those they see as less then they are down and under control. It's why they have such hang ups about women and sex. It's why they got stupid after President Obama was elected.
In 2012 when the Catholic leadership decided to turn the church into a Republican campaign organization I said enough and swam the Thames over the Episcopal church. Even though Francis is 100x the Pope that Benedict XVI was I will never go back to the Roman church. I don't care if it costs me every friend I have either.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)And along with a few others on DU, certainly echos the rhetoric put forth by Donohue. The religious extremists of the world stick together.
Ferd Berfel
(3,687 posts)WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)end."
I hate Right-Wing Catholics!!
(I'm a liberal RC!)
Burf-_-
(205 posts)It's unfathomable the depths that religious fanatics will sink to. Hebdo attackers being defended by a catholic zealot...what kind of drugs is this man snorting ?
DFW
(54,393 posts)When he can point out how many satirical cartoonists have walked into a mosque (or a church, for that matter) and killed twelve religious leaders, THEN I'll consider paying attention to what he says, and it'll have to be on some venue other than Fox Noise.
Bartlet
(172 posts)"Constitutional scholar" with zero understanding of the constitution. No one needs any right to protect comfortable speech, no one needs the Government to protect them from being nice. The 1st amendment is there to protect unpleasant speech, to protect those people saying things that many may find objectionable. This useless clown only wants speech that he does not find objectionable protected, namely his own ignorant infantile drivel.
DonViejo
(60,536 posts)randys1
(16,286 posts)Sparky 1
(400 posts). . . that everyone needs to have more compassion for others. And left it at that.