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nitpicker

(7,153 posts)
Wed Jan 7, 2015, 07:27 AM Jan 2015

Deadly attack on office of French magazine Charlie Hebdo

Source: BBC

At least two gunmen have attacked the Paris office of French satirical magazine Charlie Hebdo, killing a number of people, French media report.

Witnesses spoke of sustained gunfire at the office as the attackers opened fire with Kalashnikov assault rifles.

The satirical weekly has courted controversy in the past with its depiction of news and current affairs.

Its latest tweet was a cartoon of the Islamic State militant group leader, Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi.


Read more: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-30710883

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Deadly attack on office of French magazine Charlie Hebdo (Original Post) nitpicker Jan 2015 OP
NBC local update nitpicker Jan 2015 #1
some of France's leading liberal voices among the 12 dead uhnope Jan 2015 #115
Witnesses told police that the gunmen shouted "we have avenged the prophet," uhnope Jan 2015 #152
#BREAKING 11 dead including 2 police in Paris shooting: source Bosonic Jan 2015 #2
Charlie Hebdo was targeted for exercising its right to freedom of speech, ellenrr Jan 2015 #33
Whoever thinks Mr. Hebdo brought leftynyc Jan 2015 #44
I am usually on the side of the outlaw, but in this case I hope these assassins are caught, ellenrr Jan 2015 #49
Are you talking about Robin Hood leftynyc Jan 2015 #50
agreed samsingh Jan 2015 #113
Post removed Post removed Jan 2015 #64
There is no "Mr. Hebdo". "Hebdo" means "weekly". KamaAina Jan 2015 #93
Thanks for the correction leftynyc Jan 2015 #101
"Charlie" is from Charlie Brown indirectly csziggy Jan 2015 #147
It never ends until good people say enough. Rhinodawg Jan 2015 #3
France is in free fall? How? Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #13
Rhinodawg is a firm believer in Bat Ye'or's "Eurabia" thesis Scootaloo Jan 2015 #30
Oh. Lot of that going around lately. Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #39
More fodder for Islamophobes philosslayer Jan 2015 #48
It sure would be more convenient leftynyc Jan 2015 #75
Would you like a shovel? Scootaloo Jan 2015 #76
Don't need one leftynyc Jan 2015 #78
No, your bullshit is all your own. Scootaloo Jan 2015 #120
Awwwwwww leftynyc Jan 2015 #139
I was under the impression that even a self-defined argument is still predicated on an objective and LanternWaste Jan 2015 #140
Repeating yourself leftynyc Jan 2015 #148
Sort of like how Jonathan Pollard gave ammunition to Stormfront, I suppose shaayecanaan Jan 2015 #194
Post removed Post removed Jan 2015 #195
lol Rhinodawg Jan 2015 #109
I am sitting in France at this moment and I can assure you no such thing is happening. CBGLuthier Jan 2015 #22
What about the Muslim areas of Paris that French police steer clear of? 7962 Jan 2015 #31
Post removed Post removed Jan 2015 #122
Post removed Post removed Jan 2015 #164
A picture for you... Behind the Aegis Jan 2015 #191
That is absolutely GOLDEN! Didnt get to see what u were responding to, but I can imagine!! 7962 Feb 2015 #200
Of course, when you have nothing, resort to insulting me. HA! 7962 Jan 2015 #176
Well, your posts aren't worthy of a thoughtful response. Scootaloo Jan 2015 #177
Ah, the old favorite, compare a comment to "Stormfront". Weak. But not surprising 7962 Jan 2015 #184
Even Glen Beck isn't this far off the rails & didn't jump giftedgirl77 Feb 2015 #199
"first mentioned it"? Just do a bit of research and see what you find 7962 Feb 2015 #201
Lolol, ok.... the fact that fox apologized & people living in giftedgirl77 Feb 2015 #202
Hey, the New York Times reported on 150 no-go zones TEN years ago. Guess they're in a bubble too. 7962 Feb 2015 #203
Yep, pretty much sums you up. giftedgirl77 Feb 2015 #206
Yeah, I never thought I'd see an article from the NY Times that would back Fox either. 7962 Feb 2015 #207
You should probably avoid Breibart & the like as they are giftedgirl77 Feb 2015 #208
This is an opinion piece. The article I referred to was from 2005. 7962 Feb 2015 #209
WTF does what Clinton said have to do with your giftedgirl77 Feb 2015 #212
Bobby Jindal won't back down on that no-go zone bullshit either. Violet_Crumble Feb 2015 #204
Priceless isn't it??? giftedgirl77 Feb 2015 #205
I know. Did you see the French clip taking the piss out of Faux? Violet_Crumble Feb 2015 #210
I saw that, it was awesome. giftedgirl77 Feb 2015 #211
France and Britain seem to create a lot of jihadis. CJCRANE Jan 2015 #23
See post 30, these folks have made up their minds and set them in stone. Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #40
There is a section of Rushdie's "The Satanic Verses" that illustrates alfredo Jan 2015 #85
Political correctness will consume them. Jesus Malverde Jan 2015 #69
What are you talking about? muriel_volestrangler Jan 2015 #94
Care to explain WHO is putting France in free fall? nt alp227 Jan 2015 #138
The newspaper suffered permanent threats mylye2222 Jan 2015 #4
Gee...from who? Rhinodawg Jan 2015 #5
from jihadists. mylye2222 Jan 2015 #8
Didn't they also put him on the cover as a cartoon? JustAnotherGen Jan 2015 #15
As stated on msnbc, they were going to feature the book "Submission" this week AngryAmish Jan 2015 #21
I thought that "Submission" related to the situation in the Netherlands. amandabeech Jan 2015 #171
Book was named after the movie AngryAmish Jan 2015 #172
Ah! Thank you. n/t amandabeech Jan 2015 #173
And why should it matter what they printed OnePercentDem Jan 2015 #167
#BREAKING France raises Paris alert status to highest level after newspaper shooting Bosonic Jan 2015 #6
At the moment there is actually no evidence who they are or their motives. Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #41
Did I indicate there was? Bosonic Jan 2015 #42
I was referring to the national security alert assuming something without evidence...not to you Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #47
It was already reported, by the time you wrote that, they shouted "we have avenged the rophet" muriel_volestrangler Jan 2015 #97
BBC update nitpicker Jan 2015 #7
wow, the French certainly were not prepared for any kind of attack. sammy750 Jan 2015 #9
How many mass shootings are there in the USA, every year? (n/t) Spider Jerusalem Jan 2015 #16
I'm thinking that's someone JustAnotherGen Jan 2015 #18
+1 Depaysement Jan 2015 #80
Been there recently? JustAnotherGen Jan 2015 #17
You think the magazine is to blame? leftynyc Jan 2015 #25
" Of course the magazine has been creating this situation." ?! are you being satirical? ellenrr Jan 2015 #28
If you would bother watching real news.... BooScout Jan 2015 #37
What precision and training do you need with assault rifles against an office of journalists? Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #43
The precision is in how they attacked. Not just spraying rounds everywhere. 7962 Jan 2015 #179
What "real" news are you suggesting, and what "fake" news do you presume whathehell Jan 2015 #61
didn't say it was fake... BooScout Jan 2015 #118
Thanks. I now riversedge Jan 2015 #130
Yes, perhaps we should all fly to Wales, where you now live, whathehell Jan 2015 #81
It is defintely superior PaulaFarrell Jan 2015 #88
Say you and Boo.. whathehell Jan 2015 #99
ahhhhhh when feeling inferior.... BooScout Jan 2015 #125
I imagine we all of us like to pretend our "stuff" is better than "their "stuff." LanternWaste Jan 2015 #142
ahhhhhhh when unable to answer a question whathehell Jan 2015 #161
Or you could actually.... BooScout Jan 2015 #123
Or I could actually just ignore you as everyone else here whathehell Jan 2015 #170
"Of course the magazine has been creating this situation." Coventina Jan 2015 #68
I guess the journalists weren't wearing the right clothes... ananda Jan 2015 #84
You have not been to France I take it lunasun Jan 2015 #79
That's sarcasm, right? Pacifist Patriot Jan 2015 #90
No more and no less than... LanternWaste Jan 2015 #141
How do you even prepare for something like this? musicblind Jan 2015 #158
I'm against these attacks... Rhinodawg Jan 2015 #10
These are, of course, lone crazy people get the red out Jan 2015 #24
Well, right here on DU leftynyc Jan 2015 #27
Sarcasm thingie was included get the red out Jan 2015 #55
I saw it leftynyc Jan 2015 #77
And then there is the hypocrisy cosmicone Jan 2015 #71
Link to the overall AFP twitter nitpicker Jan 2015 #11
Eleven dead in shooting at Paris offices of satirical magazine Charlie Hebdo – live updates Bosonic Jan 2015 #12
video clip (not graphic) Bosonic Jan 2015 #14
We're going to war this year. CJCRANE Jan 2015 #19
Oh? With whom? brooklynite Jan 2015 #26
Whoever CJCRANE wants to see dead, I presume Scootaloo Jan 2015 #32
We're already AT war. nt 7962 Jan 2015 #29
Not since 1945 n/t Gore1FL Jan 2015 #105
OK, how 'bout "we're already AT police action"? 7962 Jan 2015 #107
Legality is sort of important when it comes to going to war. n/t Gore1FL Jan 2015 #132
i was under that simplistic same impression too... until 2002. LanternWaste Jan 2015 #143
It's time to unblur the lines. Gore1FL Jan 2015 #163
Who are "we"? Renew Deal Jan 2015 #35
Breaking. 12 death. mylye2222 Jan 2015 #20
French liberal leaders slaughtered uhnope Jan 2015 #134
picture of the latest edition of the magazine, ellenrr Jan 2015 #34
And I just heard Josh Ernest spout the "religion of peace" BS 7962 Jan 2015 #36
So you think there were 1.7 billion gunmen in Paris? Scootaloo Jan 2015 #38
No, under his bed. What about all the crazy gunmen in America? Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #45
I remember people laughing at me a few yrs ago about attacks here, too. 7962 Jan 2015 #110
Well, no, it's not like telling your mom that. Scootaloo Jan 2015 #127
So where are all these Christian murders in the name of religion? 7962 Jan 2015 #178
I suggest you follow your own advice. Watch some video, read some googles. Scootaloo Jan 2015 #180
Thats all you have? Man talk about scraping the barrel. 7962 Jan 2015 #183
Really? Shamash Jan 2015 #52
Thank you. Jamastiene Jan 2015 #150
It IS a religion of peace philosslayer Jan 2015 #53
It is not. nt LexVegas Jan 2015 #57
Post removed Post removed Jan 2015 #58
All exclusivist religions are cancers. Xithras Jan 2015 #102
As are all exclusive borders cancers too LanternWaste Jan 2015 #145
No religion is a religion of peace. Gore1FL Jan 2015 #106
How about Mennonites? philosslayer Jan 2015 #108
Religion is inherently an us v. them division. Gore1FL Jan 2015 #135
Same applies precisely to national borders-- which also divides by its very nature. LanternWaste Jan 2015 #146
True. The end of nationalism is something we should hope for too. n/t Gore1FL Jan 2015 #162
Message auto-removed Name removed Jan 2015 #166
Message auto-removed Name removed Jan 2015 #165
And the 'No True Scotsman" fallacy appears GoneOffShore Jan 2015 #151
Over a cartoon? Disgusting and infuriating. hrmjustin Jan 2015 #46
This message was self-deleted by its author cosmicone Jan 2015 #51
More "offended Muslim" BS vs Freedom of Speech cosmicone Jan 2015 #54
Message auto-removed Name removed Jan 2015 #60
So. what you're saying is... BadtotheboneBob Jan 2015 #67
I think you do have the right to be offended DVDGuy Jan 2015 #168
Attackers at Paris newspaper shouted 'we have avenged the prophet': police riversedge Jan 2015 #56
Yes, but WHICH prophet? FrodosPet Jan 2015 #83
I suppose shouting Allahu Akbar wasn't enough. B2G Jan 2015 #95
Really? OnePercentDem Jan 2015 #169
Maybe it was 'profit'... freebrew Jan 2015 #104
Yikes, some French speakers on twitter are cheering this. joshcryer Jan 2015 #59
link? Major French progressives were murdered, so it would be RW or other extremists cheering uhnope Jan 2015 #137
Or just the ignorant marshall Jan 2015 #193
Given that this attack was probably committed by IS sympathizers GliderGuider Jan 2015 #62
Increased radicalization shouldn't help, either. joshcryer Jan 2015 #65
Thank you for this article. This was what I was thinking when I read about this and the cartoon. jwirr Jan 2015 #82
Be interesting to see if there is a link to the Syria conflict. Jesus Malverde Jan 2015 #63
I suspect they're Algerian. joshcryer Jan 2015 #66
Enabled by US allies turkey and qatar Jesus Malverde Jan 2015 #70
Yeah, the "crazies need dictators to contain them" argument. joshcryer Jan 2015 #185
Lulz Jesus Malverde Jan 2015 #186
The shit is exaggerated by the MSM. joshcryer Jan 2015 #187
the MSM. Jesus Malverde Jan 2015 #190
You link an MSM article to debunk its bias? joshcryer Jan 2015 #192
We do business with nasty people all over the world. Jesus Malverde Jan 2015 #196
Here is a good view of our real politic Jesus Malverde Jan 2015 #198
Post removed Post removed Jan 2015 #72
Nailed it Jesus Malverde Jan 2015 #73
No S**T Sherlock. Rhinodawg Jan 2015 #103
The gunmen have escaped... shit Recursion Jan 2015 #74
Not only that, just saw a video of them escaping and they shot a cop Turborama Jan 2015 #89
For those with bloodlust OnlinePoker Jan 2015 #100
Terrorism with guns? Gun culture says that's unpossible. nt onehandle Jan 2015 #86
Link? GGJohn Jan 2015 #92
Foolish me Shamash Jan 2015 #96
Horrible. polly7 Jan 2015 #87
No One Murdered Because Of This Image iandhr Jan 2015 #91
+1000 jonno99 Jan 2015 #156
Mohammed overwhelmed by fundamentalists: It's hard to be loved by idiots reorg Jan 2015 #98
Thanks for posting that cover. SunSeeker Jan 2015 #116
... Arugula Latte Jan 2015 #111
Why was Post #58 hidden? How did it break the rules? 7962 Jan 2015 #112
that post should not have been hidden. samsingh Jan 2015 #114
+1 SunSeeker Jan 2015 #121
Agreed. Mojo Electro Jan 2015 #126
I saw that too. Rhinodawg Jan 2015 #117
that's the problem with the jury system - its a 50-50 samsingh Jan 2015 #131
You've got that right! get the red out Jan 2015 #155
Shitty hide. n/t QC Jan 2015 #119
Because it's a lie that smears all Muslims as terrorists. alp227 Jan 2015 #133
The post did not smear all Muslims as terrorists. SunSeeker Jan 2015 #144
short answer Burf-_- Jan 2015 #159
I'd like for you to point out the part smearing all Muslims 7962 Jan 2015 #174
OK... alp227 Jan 2015 #175
This message was self-deleted by its author harun Jan 2015 #149
Because Islam gets a pass around here leftynyc Jan 2015 #197
Je suis Charlie. SunSeeker Jan 2015 #124
Charlie Hebdo Staffer: 'It Lasted Five Minutes... They Spoke French Perfectly' riversedge Jan 2015 #128
5 minutes to snuff out 12 human lives and destroy so many more. polly7 Jan 2015 #136
Major French progressives killed uhnope Jan 2015 #129
This brutal attack is so much more important than we are acknowledging frazzled Jan 2015 #153
I hope French police tabasco Jan 2015 #154
Why does CNN keep pushing how sophisticated this attack was? tclambert Jan 2015 #157
They are segueing into getting Americans fearful...unless there is a plane crash that is their other Fred Sanders Jan 2015 #181
islamic apologist's be like..... Burf-_- Jan 2015 #160
This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Jan 2015 #182
Umm? LeftishBrit Jan 2015 #188
RIP to the victims, and to hell with the murderers LeftishBrit Jan 2015 #189
 

uhnope

(6,419 posts)
115. some of France's leading liberal voices among the 12 dead
Wed Jan 7, 2015, 02:17 PM
Jan 2015

Extremist organized religion makes me want to vomit

Bosonic

(3,746 posts)
2. #BREAKING 11 dead including 2 police in Paris shooting: source
Wed Jan 7, 2015, 07:33 AM
Jan 2015
#BREAKING 11 dead including 2 police in Paris shooting: source

https://twitter.com/AFP/status/552790770005331969


#BREAKING Hollande on way to shooting scene, calls emergency cabinet meeting

https://twitter.com/AFP/status/552788752532525057

ellenrr

(3,864 posts)
33. Charlie Hebdo was targeted for exercising its right to freedom of speech,
Wed Jan 7, 2015, 08:53 AM
Jan 2015

journalist Douglas Murray tells the BBC. "I think that a lot about our future freedom of speech depends on whether or not people think that Charlie Hebdo brought this on itself or realise that the people who carried out this attack are solely to blame and must be the subject of vilification from everybody, from all faiths in all of our societies."

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
44. Whoever thinks Mr. Hebdo brought
Wed Jan 7, 2015, 09:29 AM
Jan 2015

this on himself don't deserve to live in a free country. The concept that there is no right not to be offended is obviously too difficult for some and I have zero sympathy for them. I hope they catch them and they spend the rest of their miserable lives locked up like the animals they are.

ellenrr

(3,864 posts)
49. I am usually on the side of the outlaw, but in this case I hope these assassins are caught,
Wed Jan 7, 2015, 09:35 AM
Jan 2015

and have a slow unpleasant death.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
50. Are you talking about Robin Hood
Wed Jan 7, 2015, 09:38 AM
Jan 2015

when you're talking about outlaws? Because otherwise you're making it sound like you're okay with some murderers.

Response to leftynyc (Reply #44)

 

KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
93. There is no "Mr. Hebdo". "Hebdo" means "weekly".
Wed Jan 7, 2015, 12:26 PM
Jan 2015

And for some odd reason, the title of this Parisian weekly is "Charlie".

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
101. Thanks for the correction
Wed Jan 7, 2015, 01:08 PM
Jan 2015

I realized it later when I did some digging about this very brave publication and meant to change the post to reflect that but got busy. My heart aches for those brave souls killed today.

csziggy

(34,137 posts)
147. "Charlie" is from Charlie Brown indirectly
Wed Jan 7, 2015, 04:25 PM
Jan 2015
In 1969, the Hara-Kiri team decided to produce a weekly publication – on top of the existing monthly magazine – which would focus more on current affairs. This was launched in February as Hara-Kiri Hebdo and renamed L'Hebdo Hara-Kiri in May of the same year.[citation needed] ('Hebdo' is short for 'hebdomadaire' – 'weekly')

In November 1970, the former French president Charles de Gaulle died in his home village of Colombey-les-Deux-Églises, eight days after a disaster in a nightclub, the Club Cinq-Sept fire caused the death of 146 people. The magazine released a cover spoofing the popular press's coverage of this disaster, headlined "Tragic Ball at Colombey, one dead."[6] As a result, the journal was once more banned, this time by the Minister of the Interior.

In order to sidestep the ban, the team decided to change its title, and used Charlie Hebdo.[1] The new name was derived from a monthly comics magazine called Charlie Mensuel (Charlie Monthly), which had been started by Bernier and Delfeil de Ton in 1968. Charlie took its name from Charlie Brown, the lead character of Peanuts – one of the comics originally published in Charlie Mensuel – and was also an inside joke about Charles de Gaulle.[7] In December 1981, publication ceased.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlie_Hebdo#1969.E2.80.931981
 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
76. Would you like a shovel?
Wed Jan 7, 2015, 11:01 AM
Jan 2015

I mean if you're going to dig a hole, might as well have the proper tools

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
139. Awwwwwww
Wed Jan 7, 2015, 04:06 PM
Jan 2015

You're adorable when you're frustrated from losing an argument. The swearing at me is particularly convincing in a discussion. Well done.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
140. I was under the impression that even a self-defined argument is still predicated on an objective and
Wed Jan 7, 2015, 04:12 PM
Jan 2015

I was under the impression that even a self-defined argument is still predicated on an objective and supportable premise rather than a simplistic editorial.

(insert rationalization below for additional self-validation...)

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
148. Repeating yourself
Wed Jan 7, 2015, 04:34 PM
Jan 2015

did me absolutely no good in trying to figure out what you're saying. I think you're under the impression I need some kind of validation from anonymous posters on the internet. Sorry, I'm not that insecure in my convictions.

shaayecanaan

(6,068 posts)
194. Sort of like how Jonathan Pollard gave ammunition to Stormfront, I suppose
Thu Jan 8, 2015, 09:15 AM
Jan 2015

you do seem rather happy at having received your new delivery of ammunition, though. I'll leave you to enjoy it.

Response to shaayecanaan (Reply #194)

 

7962

(11,841 posts)
31. What about the Muslim areas of Paris that French police steer clear of?
Wed Jan 7, 2015, 08:52 AM
Jan 2015

The "no go" areas? They dont exist? Muslims rioting over nonsense? None of that is happening?

Response to 7962 (Reply #31)

Response to Post removed (Reply #122)

 

7962

(11,841 posts)
200. That is absolutely GOLDEN! Didnt get to see what u were responding to, but I can imagine!!
Mon Feb 2, 2015, 08:40 PM
Feb 2015

I just dont understand the apparent obsession some have with "the Jews". I'm trying to understand why I should feel threatened by Jews? I've never been able to figure it out.

 

7962

(11,841 posts)
176. Of course, when you have nothing, resort to insulting me. HA!
Wed Jan 7, 2015, 10:35 PM
Jan 2015

Try the good 'ol Google and read the stories. Watch the videos. Guess they're all just fluff from Glen Beck or something, right?
Today was just an anomaly, right? Just like the cars running over pedestrians recently?
Keep on whistling past the graveyard

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
177. Well, your posts aren't worthy of a thoughtful response.
Wed Jan 7, 2015, 10:42 PM
Jan 2015

Over on Stormfront, your argument is regularly made about black people - "google the stories! Watch the videos! Guess they're all make-believe from David Duke or something, huh?"

This is known as cherry-picking. You start with a premise - in your case,that Muslims are inherently awful people - and then demand your critics go watch videos about Muslims who happen to be awful people. So long as your evidence is constrained to those examples, you imagine you have an argument. of course this relies on ignoring the overwhelmingly vast number of Muslims who are in no way represented by your 'evidence," and whose existence washes away your shit argument in a tidal wave of counter-evidence.

But you will persist in ignoring them, except as a target for your hate, becuase you're so infested in that hate that you can't fathom living without it.

 

7962

(11,841 posts)
184. Ah, the old favorite, compare a comment to "Stormfront". Weak. But not surprising
Thu Jan 8, 2015, 12:21 AM
Jan 2015

Nobody reads stormfront.
I guess restricting my opinion to the thousands of examples in just the past couple yrs is just cherry picking. Save all your posts just in case you run into any of them, you can wave them around to show them how tolerant you are!

 

giftedgirl77

(4,713 posts)
199. Even Glen Beck isn't this far off the rails & didn't jump
Mon Feb 2, 2015, 06:49 PM
Feb 2015

on the "no-go" zones. Only a very few fringe nut bags have jumped on that band wagon & the person who first introduced the moronic idea recanted it almost immediately. Way to go on being on the wrong side of that argument by a mile.

 

7962

(11,841 posts)
201. "first mentioned it"? Just do a bit of research and see what you find
Mon Feb 2, 2015, 09:04 PM
Feb 2015

I'm not going to back off whats been reported for YEARS simply because some mayor all of a sudden doesnt like the sunshine. Although I've never heard of it with regard to English cities.
Here's a few articles for you: I've excerpted the parts mentioning the "no go" zones
http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/world/2005-11-06-paris-gangs_x.htm
"Some officials suspect the unrest that reached into Paris proper early Sunday has in part been instigated by gangs hoping to turn their neighborhoods into no-go zones for police so drug trafficking and racketeering can thrive."

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/9892432/ns/technology_and_science-clicked/t/tone-no-go-zones/#.VNAclWTF-Gu
"The spreading nature of the riots has many concerned. News to me is all the discussion of Europe's "no go" zones."

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/12/12/international/europe/12suburb.html?pagewanted=all&_r=1&"Branded by France's police intelligence agency as one of the country's 150 "no go zones," where police officers should enter only with major reinforcements, La Courneuve was caught up in the violence in which rioters torched cars, trashed businesses and ambushed the police."

Notice the references above are from 2005 & 2006. This is nothing new & one is even from the NY Times. I dont know why Fox apologized for simply saying whats been in the news for 10 years. 150 no go zones? Is it all made up?? I doubt it

 

giftedgirl77

(4,713 posts)
202. Lolol, ok.... the fact that fox apologized & people living in
Mon Feb 2, 2015, 10:12 PM
Feb 2015

France right now were on this thread telling you that you were wrong about their home but you're going to stick with your original bullshit anyways, that's impressive. The fact that you can't understand why fox apologized in the first place pretty much sums it all up. Carry on in your own special little bubble.

 

7962

(11,841 posts)
203. Hey, the New York Times reported on 150 no-go zones TEN years ago. Guess they're in a bubble too.
Mon Feb 2, 2015, 11:18 PM
Feb 2015

I guess now they're called "special districts' or some other cute name. Who cares; walks like a duck....

 

7962

(11,841 posts)
207. Yeah, I never thought I'd see an article from the NY Times that would back Fox either.
Tue Feb 3, 2015, 07:59 AM
Feb 2015

It is what it is. Why has no one disputed their story? What were they talking about when they specify 150 no go zones?
Maybe newscorp's 7% owner made a call to get that 'apology". Supposedly its happened before

 

giftedgirl77

(4,713 posts)
208. You should probably avoid Breibart & the like as they are
Tue Feb 3, 2015, 08:29 AM
Feb 2015

the only one's referencing this NYT article from 2002 that you keep referring to which is actually titled separate but equal. You would benefit from reading the article instead of just assuming that Pam Gellar actually has your best interests at heart. I've linked to it so you may actually read the article instead of assuming your rightwing rags are telling you the truth as they all started to pull shit out of their ass to defend fox just as you have attempted to do.

http://www.nytimes.com/2002/04/27/opinion/27iht-edignatius_ed3__0.html

 

7962

(11,841 posts)
209. This is an opinion piece. The article I referred to was from 2005.
Tue Feb 3, 2015, 08:41 AM
Feb 2015

All of the articles I referenced came from mainstream sources. And i had to google "pam gellar". never heard of her.
I guess you'd also be critical of Pres Clinton's recent statements on the hypocrisy of Muslim immigrants?

 

giftedgirl77

(4,713 posts)
212. WTF does what Clinton said have to do with your
Tue Feb 3, 2015, 08:58 AM
Feb 2015

unfounded, unsubstantiated claims of no-go zones in France & Britain? See this is called moving the goal posts. Not only did you move them, you tried to switch out your punter for a batter. Admit it, there are no no-go zones. It's ok, fox did it, you can too.

Violet_Crumble

(35,977 posts)
204. Bobby Jindal won't back down on that no-go zone bullshit either.
Tue Feb 3, 2015, 07:15 AM
Feb 2015

Great company.

How about the fucking obvious fact that both British and French leaders have shot down that bullshit? That the French and British, the people who actually know what goes on in their countries have had a great time taking the piss out of Faux for the dishonest bullshit they were peddling?

And you think Fox didn't need to apologise? Uh-huh...

 

giftedgirl77

(4,713 posts)
205. Priceless isn't it???
Tue Feb 3, 2015, 07:53 AM
Feb 2015

They actually said that they are confused as to why fox apologized. If fox news has apologized that should tell you something, those bastards will say anything & usually do without consequence.

Violet_Crumble

(35,977 posts)
210. I know. Did you see the French clip taking the piss out of Faux?
Tue Feb 3, 2015, 08:44 AM
Feb 2015

It was hilarious...



And there's this article about those claims


Why the Muslim 'No-Go-Zone' Myth Won't Die


There's no evidence of extremist takeover of areas in Europe or the United States. So why do the claims continue?

Have you heard about the areas of Europe, or perhaps even of the United States, that are run by jihadists and which non-Muslims can't even enter?

Don't get too worried if you haven't: They don't exist. Or maybe you have, if you watch Fox News or read snippets of Louisiana Governor Bobby Jindal's speech about Islamic extremism. While politics is rife with falsehoods, myths, and baseless rumors, it's often tough to see exactly where a claim comes from, and how it reaches a wider audience—including, for example, a Republican governor with apparent presidential aspirations and a reputation as a sober policy wonk. Here, however, it's possible to follow forensic traces and see how some small elements of truth metastasized into an outlandish claim.

<snip>

But where did the claim come from in the first place? Like many political myths, there's a partial basis in fact that has become exaggerated into a hyperbolic and, in this case, inflammatory and dangerous claim.

<snip>

The third factor is what are known as "Zones Urbaines Sensibles," or "sensitive urban zones," in France. These areas are defined by their socioeconomic status—they're characterized by high unemployment, high rates of public housing, and low educational attainment. As it happens, many of these areas are populated largely by poor immigrants from the Muslim world, creating a neat but misleading correlation. Some of the "no-go" coverage has suggested that police and other emergency services dare not go into these areas. The United States is sadly not immune to dangerous city areas where emergency-service providers feel unsafe, so in that way this is a universal phenomenon. But as BusinessWeek notes, it's not the case that the government has written these zones off; in fact, they've been designated for further attention and work on urban renewal.

http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2015/01/paris-mayor-to-sue-fox-over-no-go-zone-comments/384656/


 

giftedgirl77

(4,713 posts)
211. I saw that, it was awesome.
Tue Feb 3, 2015, 08:50 AM
Feb 2015

Up thread 7962 decided to double down with his no-go zones talking points by pulling out citations that have been cited by RW rags & nutjobs like Pam Gellar to defend fox. It really has been quite eye opening.

CJCRANE

(18,184 posts)
23. France and Britain seem to create a lot of jihadis.
Wed Jan 7, 2015, 08:30 AM
Jan 2015

Britain had a policy of giving asylum to muslim fundies and letting them stir up trouble overseas.

Of course both France and Britain led the way in toppling Gadaffi which took the lid off North Africa and allowed a weapons and fighter pipeline to spread right over to Syria.

They then supported the Syrian rebels which morphed into ISIS, which we then had to bomb. Which then promised retaliation.

Of course what's needed now is to lock down Europe in a police state and send more troops to the Middle East in a permanent war.

alfredo

(60,075 posts)
85. There is a section of Rushdie's "The Satanic Verses" that illustrates
Wed Jan 7, 2015, 11:38 AM
Jan 2015

how the Muslims, and south Asian immigrants are treated in England. This tale could be extended to France and Germany.

Let's say that they are treated as the Republicans want Mexicans and Muslims to be treated.

Jesus Malverde

(10,274 posts)
69. Political correctness will consume them.
Wed Jan 7, 2015, 10:34 AM
Jan 2015

Look at the almost universal condemnation of the protestors in Germany....

Algeria went through a similar situation where the Islamist won an election and them proceeded to dismantle the very democratic state that brought me to power. Same dynamic with morsi in Egypt.

You cannot compromise with those fueled by Saudi Wahhabism. Their brand of Islam is cancer carefully designed to enslave the people for the royal family using a higher power as justification.

We've actually been at war with the wrong people all these years.

Release the 28 pages!

muriel_volestrangler

(101,355 posts)
94. What are you talking about?
Wed Jan 7, 2015, 12:32 PM
Jan 2015

"Look at the almost universal condemnation of the protestors in Germany.... "

And? You think people should support anti-Muslim protesters? It's ridiculous to claim Germany is being 'Islamified', which is what those protests claim.

"Algeria went through a similar situation where the Islamist won an election and them proceeded to dismantle the very democratic state that brought me to power."

When did an elected Islamist dismantle a democratic state in Algeria?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-14118856

An Islamist party was about to win the parliamentary elections, but at the start of 1992 the military basically took over, stopped the elections, and has not held totally open and free elections since.

The situation in Egypt is nothing like France, Germany or other European countries. It never had a full democracy. Morsi is no more pro-democracy (probably less so) than the Islamic parties he led the coup aginst.

JustAnotherGen

(31,869 posts)
15. Didn't they also put him on the cover as a cartoon?
Wed Jan 7, 2015, 08:05 AM
Jan 2015

And this is terribly sad. And I wonder about retaliation on those who don't agree with the extremists . . .

 

AngryAmish

(25,704 posts)
21. As stated on msnbc, they were going to feature the book "Submission" this week
Wed Jan 7, 2015, 08:21 AM
Jan 2015

It is a novel about the Islamification of France. Very controversial.

 

amandabeech

(9,893 posts)
171. I thought that "Submission" related to the situation in the Netherlands.
Wed Jan 7, 2015, 08:44 PM
Jan 2015

Am I mixing up film with literature?

 

OnePercentDem

(79 posts)
167. And why should it matter what they printed
Wed Jan 7, 2015, 08:27 PM
Jan 2015

For people to die just because someone printed a cartoon just shows how fucking ignorant these people are.

Bosonic

(3,746 posts)
6. #BREAKING France raises Paris alert status to highest level after newspaper shooting
Wed Jan 7, 2015, 07:48 AM
Jan 2015
#BREAKING France raises Paris alert status to highest level after newspaper shooting

https://twitter.com/AFP/status/552793343693185024


Apparently the murderous scumbags are still on the loose.

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
47. I was referring to the national security alert assuming something without evidence...not to you
Wed Jan 7, 2015, 09:33 AM
Jan 2015

posting the alert....commenting on comment boards, unable to communicate tone, is a problem.

sammy750

(165 posts)
9. wow, the French certainly were not prepared for any kind of attack.
Wed Jan 7, 2015, 07:54 AM
Jan 2015

10 killed and the police could not prevent it? They need to upgrade and update their security in France. The people should be concerned about their security. Of course the magazine has been creating this situation.

JustAnotherGen

(31,869 posts)
17. Been there recently?
Wed Jan 7, 2015, 08:07 AM
Jan 2015

It's pretty secure there.

I feel more secure boarding a flight Orly than I do Newark.

And the flick are very much a presence not only in major cities - but the smallest of towns.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
25. You think the magazine is to blame?
Wed Jan 7, 2015, 08:41 AM
Jan 2015

Not the murderous scum that has a problem with people who don't agree with them?

ellenrr

(3,864 posts)
28. " Of course the magazine has been creating this situation." ?! are you being satirical?
Wed Jan 7, 2015, 08:45 AM
Jan 2015

the only people who created the situation are the bastards with the Kalashnikovs.

BooScout

(10,406 posts)
37. If you would bother watching real news....
Wed Jan 7, 2015, 09:17 AM
Jan 2015

...like other than American claptrap....then you might understand that the attackers apparently attacked with trained military precision. It was an assassination.....very well planned and trained for. Of course American news is making it all about America as usual.

And blaming the newspaper? What the hell ever happened to freedom of speech?

 

7962

(11,841 posts)
179. The precision is in how they attacked. Not just spraying rounds everywhere.
Wed Jan 7, 2015, 10:53 PM
Jan 2015

Grouped shots, short bursts, etc, all show some training of some sort.

whathehell

(29,086 posts)
61. What "real" news are you suggesting, and what "fake" news do you presume
Wed Jan 7, 2015, 10:07 AM
Jan 2015

Last edited Wed Jan 7, 2015, 01:00 PM - Edit history (1)

people here are watching?

BooScout

(10,406 posts)
118. didn't say it was fake...
Wed Jan 7, 2015, 02:24 PM
Jan 2015

I said it was 'claptrap' and I stand by my description. While watching CNN as this was breaking they jumped all over the American angle rather than actually reporting about what was occurring. They do it all the time as do the other American News channels and programs. The 'real' news I was also watching was the BBC, SKY News and other Euro news channels. They actually reported about what was happening in Paris....rather than what this means regarding the next terrorist attack in the States. Not everything in the world is always about America.

whathehell

(29,086 posts)
81. Yes, perhaps we should all fly to Wales, where you now live,
Wed Jan 7, 2015, 11:14 AM
Jan 2015

so we could all watch your supposedly superior news.

whathehell

(29,086 posts)
99. Say you and Boo..
Wed Jan 7, 2015, 12:54 PM
Jan 2015

but unless your smug sense of superiority is matched by a financial status
that would allow you to fly us all out to the UK, what possible point -- beyond
the joy of snobbery, of course -- is there in scolding people for watching news that's available to them in their own country?

BooScout

(10,406 posts)
125. ahhhhhh when feeling inferior....
Wed Jan 7, 2015, 02:32 PM
Jan 2015

Go for baseless accusations. Btw, if you don't understand how the BBC has better reporting than ANY American News agency then I can't help you.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
142. I imagine we all of us like to pretend our "stuff" is better than "their "stuff."
Wed Jan 7, 2015, 04:17 PM
Jan 2015

I imagine we all of us like to pretend our "stuff" is better than "their "stuff." One of the many failings of the human condition as it now stands.

whathehell

(29,086 posts)
161. ahhhhhhh when unable to answer a question
Wed Jan 7, 2015, 08:02 PM
Jan 2015

affect a superior attitude and make.a baseless accusation of your own, lol

By the way, I was exposed to the BBC when you were still soiling your nappies.

BooScout

(10,406 posts)
123. Or you could actually....
Wed Jan 7, 2015, 02:29 PM
Jan 2015

....either stream the BBC or read it on line to get an accurate account of the News rather than a slanted version of how something in another country may or may not affect you.

ananda

(28,874 posts)
84. I guess the journalists weren't wearing the right clothes...
Wed Jan 7, 2015, 11:29 AM
Jan 2015

... a common theme among those blaming the raped for their rapes.


** sarcastic emoticon here for the irony impaired **

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
141. No more and no less than...
Wed Jan 7, 2015, 04:15 PM
Jan 2015

" Of course the magazine has been creating this situation..."

No more and no less than a female wearing a tight dress created her own rape. Though I imagine many half-wits and idiots would allege that, also.

musicblind

(4,484 posts)
158. How do you even prepare for something like this?
Wed Jan 7, 2015, 06:00 PM
Jan 2015

The French are doing the best they can. They were on the scene quickly and EMTs arrived. It is just a tragedy all the way around. I do not think the French Government is at all to blame.

 

Rhinodawg

(2,219 posts)
10. I'm against these attacks...
Wed Jan 7, 2015, 07:57 AM
Jan 2015

but I'm sure there are some excuses and understandings we will hear about.




sarcasm

get the red out

(13,468 posts)
24. These are, of course, lone crazy people
Wed Jan 7, 2015, 08:35 AM
Jan 2015

Two in this case; clean up the mess, feel bad they didn't get proper mental health care, apologize to anyone, anywhere, who is insulted by anything. The best solution would be to end the free press in the Western world, because it is all the fault of the west and our evil, disrespectful ways. Mars has little gravity and no atmosphere because of freedom of the press in the evil, western world.

This needs to leave the news now before more stupid people get the wrong ideas.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
27. Well, right here on DU
Wed Jan 7, 2015, 08:42 AM
Jan 2015

right here on this thread we have a poster who thinks the magazine is to blame.

Bosonic

(3,746 posts)
12. Eleven dead in shooting at Paris offices of satirical magazine Charlie Hebdo – live updates
Wed Jan 7, 2015, 07:58 AM
Jan 2015

Eleven dead in shooting at Paris offices of satirical magazine Charlie Hebdo – live updates

http://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2015/jan/07/shooting-paris-satirical-magazine-charlie-hebdo

 

7962

(11,841 posts)
107. OK, how 'bout "we're already AT police action"?
Wed Jan 7, 2015, 01:54 PM
Jan 2015

Whether you officially declare war or not doesnt change the fact that it IS a war when soldiers are shooting at other soldiers on a continuing basis

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
143. i was under that simplistic same impression too... until 2002.
Wed Jan 7, 2015, 04:18 PM
Jan 2015

i was under that simplistic same impression too... until 2002.

 

7962

(11,841 posts)
36. And I just heard Josh Ernest spout the "religion of peace" BS
Wed Jan 7, 2015, 09:00 AM
Jan 2015

Second thing out of his mouth. I wonder if he's read the Koran at all and the violence it calls for against anyone who doesnt follow??
And dont start with how the bible is just as bad. We see the odd nutjob christian here and there, but no continuing organized threat from chrisitans. And we see cartoons of jesus ALL the time and nobody gets beheaded.

 

7962

(11,841 posts)
110. I remember people laughing at me a few yrs ago about attacks here, too.
Wed Jan 7, 2015, 02:01 PM
Jan 2015

The same "hiding under my bed" BS. "Are you afraid they're coming here?" Then we had Boston. We had Hassan. We had a guy with a hatchet attack cops. We had a guy behead people in his workplace. We've had several other "jihadi" killers randomly killing people on the street. Google the stories. Theres plenty and they keep pushing for more. Keep laughing if it makes you feel superior.
Pointing out that there are other people who kill is just like when I would tell my mom "everybodys doing it". Its a weak argument

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
127. Well, no, it's not like telling your mom that.
Wed Jan 7, 2015, 02:42 PM
Jan 2015

"Everybody's doing it!" is an excuse. An attempt to say "this is okay because someone else is doing it!" - that's not the argument being made here.

Rather, the argument being made is that there's no particular reason to "go after" Muslims, as you seem to wish. Yes, there have been attacks and murders by Muslim assholes. There have been far more committed by Christian, however.

This doesn't make either okay, but it does take the wind out of your anti-Muslim fearmongering.

 

7962

(11,841 posts)
178. So where are all these Christian murders in the name of religion?
Wed Jan 7, 2015, 10:50 PM
Jan 2015

More recently than 4-500 years ago too. And where are the Christian leaders issuing declarations for the deaths of millions of others? The beheadings of non-christian journalists?
Man the willingness to not see whats going on in this world is sad. Even the Chinese are dealing with it.

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
180. I suggest you follow your own advice. Watch some video, read some googles.
Wed Jan 7, 2015, 10:54 PM
Jan 2015

Maybe start with "abortion clinic bombings" or "Tripura" or "Russia" or maybe "Lord's Resistance Army" or the like.

Interestingly, when I look at the people responsible for these acts, I blame them, not their co-religionists. Too bad you can't figure that one out.

 

7962

(11,841 posts)
183. Thats all you have? Man talk about scraping the barrel.
Thu Jan 8, 2015, 12:17 AM
Jan 2015

Unless you're pointing out the millions of christians killed by the Russians.
The Islamists are only going to get worse. They want to slit your throat too, you know.

 

Shamash

(597 posts)
52. Really?
Wed Jan 7, 2015, 09:41 AM
Jan 2015

So the daily presence of protesters outside abortion clinics has nothing to do with a certain subset of Christians, and their presence as a common denominator in every instance of violence against abortion providers (i.e. non-believers) is a coincidence and not a "continuing organized threat"? Or that Dominionists are a myth? I guess the liberal-controlled media has been deceiving me. Thank you for setting me straight. No! I mean "thank you for correcting my misperception". "Setting me straight" might have implied that I had previously been gay and I would not want to fall afoul of the Christians pushing the "kill the gays" legislation. Oh wait, they don't exist either.



The Bible is as bad as the Koran in those respects. We're just lucky to have a government designed by people who did not want any religion to become the arbiter of secular law. The fact that we do not have the abuses of parts of the Muslim sphere is not because fundamentalist Christianity is so sweet and multi-culturally tolerant...

Jamastiene

(38,187 posts)
150. Thank you.
Wed Jan 7, 2015, 04:44 PM
Jan 2015

It's odd to see people act like the domestic terrorism that has happened in the US for a long time is no big deal. Don't forget the KKK too. They have been busy for a long time with their brand of terrorism too.

 

philosslayer

(3,076 posts)
53. It IS a religion of peace
Wed Jan 7, 2015, 09:43 AM
Jan 2015

And the actions of two radicals does not taint a population of millions of peace loving people.

Response to philosslayer (Reply #53)

Xithras

(16,191 posts)
102. All exclusivist religions are cancers.
Wed Jan 7, 2015, 01:16 PM
Jan 2015

Some are benign. Some are malignant. Some move slowly. And some move quickly. Some go back and forth. But they're all dangerous.

Once a religion says, "My religion is right, and yours is wrong", that religion becomes a threat to everyone who doesn't follow it. And if you disagree, I'd challenge you to name an exclusivist religion that HASN'T killed people in the name of some "god".

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
145. As are all exclusive borders cancers too
Wed Jan 7, 2015, 04:23 PM
Jan 2015

As are all exclusive borders cancers too. Stand on one side of an imaginary red and blue line, one is just and legal. Stand on the other side, one becomes illegal.

I'd challenge anyone to name a national border that hasn't killed people in the name some imaginary red and blue line on a map.

Gore1FL

(21,151 posts)
106. No religion is a religion of peace.
Wed Jan 7, 2015, 01:52 PM
Jan 2015

religion is a way to separate and divide into us and them. They are the exact opposite of peace.

 

philosslayer

(3,076 posts)
108. How about Mennonites?
Wed Jan 7, 2015, 01:57 PM
Jan 2015

Who are Anabaptists, and separate themselves. Are you implying they are the opposite of peaceful?

Gore1FL

(21,151 posts)
135. Religion is inherently an us v. them division.
Wed Jan 7, 2015, 03:13 PM
Jan 2015

No religion is peaceful because the very nature is to divide.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
146. Same applies precisely to national borders-- which also divides by its very nature.
Wed Jan 7, 2015, 04:24 PM
Jan 2015

Same applies precisely to national borders-- which also divides by its very nature.

Response to Gore1FL (Reply #162)

Response to LanternWaste (Reply #146)

Response to nitpicker (Original post)

 

cosmicone

(11,014 posts)
54. More "offended Muslim" BS vs Freedom of Speech
Wed Jan 7, 2015, 09:45 AM
Jan 2015

Speech depicting ideas and opinions should not offend anyone. If you disagree, debate it and tell the world why it is wrong and/or why your feelings are hurt by it without asking for it to be banned and especially without going violent.

Time to drone or daisy-cut a few hundred or more ISIS people including Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi. ISIS is a menace and should be dealt with zero tolerance.

I am a lousy artist or I'd have a cartoon of Allah and Mohammad face-palming upon this news myself. How can the almighty, the omnipotent, omniscient Allah or his messenger get hurt by a cartoon?

(I wonder if the ideas expressed herein would offend someone to click the alert button thus proving my point)

Response to cosmicone (Reply #54)

DVDGuy

(53 posts)
168. I think you do have the right to be offended
Wed Jan 7, 2015, 08:28 PM
Jan 2015

Everyone has the right to be offended by what is generally considered to be an opinion (eg. I'm sure almost everyone here is offended by Faux News pretty much all of the time). Muslims, just like anyone, should have the right to be offended by anything they like, even if the rest of us don't find the same thing offensive, but nobody has the right to use threats, intimidation and violence to counter what one finds offensive. If they do that, then they've committed acts of terrorism, whether it's IS sympathizers, or politicians, or anti-gay activist. But like you say, there are many ways to express your offence at something and still be on the right side of the law.

But the main problem I have with your post is the "Time to drone or daisy-cut" line ... since these terrorists are most likely homegrown, which suburb of Paris do you think we should "drone or daisy-cut"?

The real threat of IS is not their leadership, soldiers, tanks, RPGs ... or what are considered traditional threats on the battlefield. It isn't even the crazy ideology that they espouse. The threat of IS, and any terror doctrine, comes from people's willingness to believe and support something that is against humanity and human nature, and IS is more of a threat than any other group in the past because it has been so effective in turning people towards their particular brand of crazy.

The real fight is at home, and we should start by finding out just why something that almost all of us considers to be insane, is so seductive to too many.

riversedge

(70,285 posts)
56. Attackers at Paris newspaper shouted 'we have avenged the prophet': police
Wed Jan 7, 2015, 09:48 AM
Jan 2015




Agence France-Presse @AFP · 1h 1 hour ago

#BREAKING Attackers at Paris newspaper shouted 'we have avenged the prophet': police
0 replies 601 retweets 72 favorites

FrodosPet

(5,169 posts)
83. Yes, but WHICH prophet?
Wed Jan 7, 2015, 11:22 AM
Jan 2015

Moses? Isaiah? Jahaziel the Levite? Michaiah son of Imlah?

The police should start with this list to find out WHICH prophet's followers are responsible.

http://www.jewfaq.org/prophet.htm

freebrew

(1,917 posts)
104. Maybe it was 'profit'...
Wed Jan 7, 2015, 01:45 PM
Jan 2015

wall-streeters did it to avenge their profit. That's it...

makes more sense actually.

 

GliderGuider

(21,088 posts)
62. Given that this attack was probably committed by IS sympathizers
Wed Jan 7, 2015, 10:18 AM
Jan 2015

This article by a German journalist who traveled through ISIS territory should be heeded by everyone who is concerned about the spread of that ideology. Sorry about the all caps, that's the way his article is typeset.

‘ISLAMIC STATE’ – Seven Impressions Of A Difficult Journey

HERE IS A SUMMARY OF MY 7 STRONGEST IMPRESSIONS OF ISIS:

1.) THE WEST IS DRAMATICALLY UNDERESTIMATING THE THREAT EMANATING FROM ISIS, and ISIS’ fighters are much more intelligent and dangerous than our politicians realize.

2.) THE INFLUX OF NEW FIGHTERS JOINING ISIS IS GROWING DAILY.

3.) AS FAR AS I CAN TELL FROM 10 DAYS OF OBSERVATION, THE “ISLAMIC STATE” SEEMS TO FUNCTION AS WELL AS ANY OTHER TOTALITARIAN COUNTRY IN THIS REGION.

4.) ISIS ISN'T JUST AIMING AT CONQUERING THE MIDDLE EAST AND, EVENTUALLY, THE REST OF THE WORLD. RATHER, THEY WANT THE LARGEST “RELIGIOUS CLEANSING” IN THE HISTORY OF MANKIND.

5.) IN MY OPINION, ISIS IS A 1-PERCENT MOVEMENT WITH THE EFFECT OF A TSUNAMI.

6.) ISIS CANNOT BE DEFEATED WITH BOMBS OR MISSILES.

7.) THERE IS A LOT OF GUESSING ABOUT THE TERRORIST THREAT EMANATING FROM RETURNING ISIS FIGHTERS.

ISIS looks like a serious ideological epidemic, that has already claimed a lot more lives than Ebola ever will.

joshcryer

(62,276 posts)
65. Increased radicalization shouldn't help, either.
Wed Jan 7, 2015, 10:24 AM
Jan 2015

Ultra right nationalists vs ultra right islamists.

It's blowing my mind right now reading twitter feeds cheering this event.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
82. Thank you for this article. This was what I was thinking when I read about this and the cartoon.
Wed Jan 7, 2015, 11:22 AM
Jan 2015

I also remember that they have put out a call for followers everywhere to kill someone for the cause. Until I hear differently this is what I will continue to believe.

Jesus Malverde

(10,274 posts)
63. Be interesting to see if there is a link to the Syria conflict.
Wed Jan 7, 2015, 10:21 AM
Jan 2015

The west and it's allies have been arming and training thousands of jihadists in the fight against Assad. Driven by the likes of McCain and other neocon freaks. They appear to be well armed and with some tactical training.

joshcryer

(62,276 posts)
66. I suspect they're Algerian.
Wed Jan 7, 2015, 10:26 AM
Jan 2015

One of the terrorists said "don't worry, he's not Algerian" after executing a police officer.

No clue beyond that, though. Probably ties to ISIS.

Reports are hundreds if not thousands of western people in the EU have joined ISIS' cause.

Jesus Malverde

(10,274 posts)
70. Enabled by US allies turkey and qatar
Wed Jan 7, 2015, 10:36 AM
Jan 2015

Trained in Jordan, patched up in Israel. It's a cynical game.

Cheered on by those wishing the destruction of Libya and other secular Arab states.

Jesus Malverde

(10,274 posts)
186. Lulz
Thu Jan 8, 2015, 03:45 AM
Jan 2015

We've seen what a wonderland they have built in Libya.



Given the choice between a secular dictatorship or batshit crazy, I'd go with secular.

You must be a fan of the Saudis...


joshcryer

(62,276 posts)
187. The shit is exaggerated by the MSM.
Thu Jan 8, 2015, 04:55 AM
Jan 2015

Libya is safer than most Latin American countries but we don't sit around saying Latin American Catholics are murderous and need dictators to contain them.

Actually, one might make that argument, since things were calmer when we installed dictators in those countries!

Jesus Malverde

(10,274 posts)
190. the MSM.
Thu Jan 8, 2015, 05:36 AM
Jan 2015

That's probably the last place to get your news. Do they even have foreign correspondents any more. Libya is still in the midst of a civil war. Egypt and Qatar acting as the Air Force for the "legitimate" government.

The Islamist parliament passed sharia and enslaved women. It's a mess and no way better than when Qaddafi was in power. If anything after the genocid of black Libyans, the enslavement of women and the destruction and division of their industries much worse.

The latest incident was the "Air Force" attacking a Greek oil tanker as it picked up oil from rebel held refinery.

http://news.yahoo.com/2-dead-unknown-aircraft-bombs-greek-tanker-libyan-092718995.html

Fighter jets dispatched by Libya's internationally recognized government bombed a Greek-owned tanker ship at an eastern city controlled by Islamist extremists Monday, killing two crew members and wounding two, Libyan and Greek officials said.

The bombing highlights the chaos that's gripped Libya since its 2011 civil war that deposed and killed dictator Moammar Gadahfi. Libyan officials apologized for the bombing as the Greek Foreign Ministry demanded compensation for the victims' families and punishment for those behind the attack.


Consider watching the MSM boob tube for what it is.

Jesus Malverde

(10,274 posts)
196. We do business with nasty people all over the world.
Thu Jan 8, 2015, 09:59 AM
Jan 2015

Some people are only obsessed with those that give aid to the Palestinians.



They would rather see a failed state than anyone who challenges the status quo.

That's why Saudi, Bahrain, Qatar, Uganda, Morroco and many more get a pass on ruling by decree or abuses of human rights, call it selective poutrage.



The use of radical Islamists to counter foes is well documented from the Taliban to Hamas.

ALways a good read...."Hamas, to my great regret, is Israel's creation

http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB123275572295011847

Jesus Malverde

(10,274 posts)
198. Here is a good view of our real politic
Thu Jan 8, 2015, 11:17 AM
Jan 2015

Brought to use by the MSM. It's a somewhat candid peek at the thought processes.

http://m.

Response to nitpicker (Original post)

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
74. The gunmen have escaped... shit
Wed Jan 7, 2015, 10:58 AM
Jan 2015
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2015/01/07/france-charlie-hebdo-satirical-publisher/21377861/

Video shot from a second floor window shows the pair calmly getting inside the dark-colored vehicle in the middle of the street before driving away. Police said the car was later founded abandoned in the nearby 19th district in northeastern Paris.

Turborama

(22,109 posts)
89. Not only that, just saw a video of them escaping and they shot a cop
Wed Jan 7, 2015, 11:49 AM
Jan 2015

Then went back to finish him off. It was on Al Jazeera English, they didn't show the actual shooting and froze it for a couple of seconds, though.

 

Shamash

(597 posts)
96. Foolish me
Wed Jan 7, 2015, 12:35 PM
Jan 2015

And here I was thinking that something like this would be impossible in a country where civilian ownership of such weapons was illegal. Who would have thought that people conspiring to commit murder would be so depraved as to violate the law? Besides, France is not a "gun culture", so the premise of your subject line does not even apply.

Seriously, I think this event was exceptional enough that it is outside the bounds of normal control measures, much like legal restrictions on explosives did not stop the Unabomber or the first World Trade Center attack, nor did restrictions on what you can take onto an airplane stop the 9/11 hijackers, nor did chemical weapons laws stop Aum Shinrikyo from releasing nerve gas in a Tokyo subway. Crazy, dedicated people with an intent to kill generally find a way to do so. Whether or not a "good guy with a gun" could have done anything about the "bad guy with a gun" is exactly as valid a question to ask as whether or not the police (aka "good guys with guns&quot could have done anything about it.

iandhr

(6,852 posts)
91. No One Murdered Because Of This Image
Wed Jan 7, 2015, 12:06 PM
Jan 2015

This Onion post from a few years back tells you all you need to know about this.

WASHINGTON—Following the publication of the image above, in which the most cherished figures from multiple religious faiths were depicted engaging in a lascivious sex act of considerable depravity, no one was murdered, beaten, or had their lives threatened, sources reported Thursday. The image of the Hebrew prophet Moses high-fiving Jesus Christ as both are having their erect penises vigorously masturbated by Ganesha, all while the Hindu deity anally penetrates Buddha with his fist, reportedly went online at 6:45 p.m. EDT, after which not a single bomb threat was made against the organization responsible, nor did the person who created the cartoon go home fearing for his life in any way. Though some members of the Jewish, Christian, Hindu, and Buddhist faiths were reportedly offended by the image, sources confirmed that upon seeing it, they simply shook their heads, rolled their eyes, and continued on with their day

http://www.theonion.com/articles/no-one-murdered-because-of-this-image,29553/

SunSeeker

(51,662 posts)
116. Thanks for posting that cover.
Wed Jan 7, 2015, 02:20 PM
Jan 2015

It appears that three such idiots killed 12 magnificent people over that cover.

 

7962

(11,841 posts)
112. Why was Post #58 hidden? How did it break the rules?
Wed Jan 7, 2015, 02:10 PM
Jan 2015

What part of that post fit: "disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate"?.
You may disagree with the post's comments, fine, debate them. There was nothing in that post that fit the requirements for hiding.
Is DU just becoming more and more OK with censoring comments some people may feel hit too close to home?

Mojo Electro

(362 posts)
126. Agreed.
Wed Jan 7, 2015, 02:41 PM
Jan 2015

This isn't a place you can freely speak your mind anymore. Rather than debate, people just move to censor when they are challenged.

 

Rhinodawg

(2,219 posts)
117. I saw that too.
Wed Jan 7, 2015, 02:22 PM
Jan 2015

Anytime you tell the truth about ***** , someone will alert and have a 50-50 shot at a hide.

alp227

(32,047 posts)
133. Because it's a lie that smears all Muslims as terrorists.
Wed Jan 7, 2015, 03:10 PM
Jan 2015

We should be better than Free Republic/Front Page Magazine in discussing Islam. Sorry, "everything goes" has never been the mission of DU.

SunSeeker

(51,662 posts)
144. The post did not smear all Muslims as terrorists.
Wed Jan 7, 2015, 04:21 PM
Jan 2015

The poster explicitly stated that "1.7 billion Muslims are not all like that."

Funny how that post was hidden, but not the one below it that said, "No religion is a religion of peace." I guess the lesson to learn is that when criticising Islam on DU, make sure you direct the same criticism at all religions.

I wonder if the cartoon those 12 journalists were killed over would have gotten a hide on DU before the shootings...

 

Burf-_-

(205 posts)
159. short answer
Wed Jan 7, 2015, 06:57 PM
Jan 2015

Yes ... There are a whole leigon of apologists on DU just jonesing to get you silenced when you have any sort of dissenting opinion on Islam.

 

7962

(11,841 posts)
174. I'd like for you to point out the part smearing all Muslims
Wed Jan 7, 2015, 10:20 PM
Jan 2015

And "everything goes" has usually been the norm whenever we are blasting the right. goose & gander

alp227

(32,047 posts)
175. OK...
Wed Jan 7, 2015, 10:24 PM
Jan 2015

The post cited terrorist incidents to say Islam isn't the "religion of peace", never mind how most Muslims in the world are NOT terrorist apologists. Blames the "silent majority" for not condemning the "bad" muslims enough. And then tries to get out of it by saying "not all muslims". A post that complained about African Americans committing crime then saying "Not All Blacks..." wouldn't fly either.

Response to 7962 (Reply #112)

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
197. Because Islam gets a pass around here
Thu Jan 8, 2015, 10:40 AM
Jan 2015

that no other group - religious or not - gets. It's that simple and that depressing.

riversedge

(70,285 posts)
128. Charlie Hebdo Staffer: 'It Lasted Five Minutes... They Spoke French Perfectly'
Wed Jan 7, 2015, 02:42 PM
Jan 2015

I heard that these murders may be French citizens who joined up with the militants


Deb Vermaas ?@debv219 2m2 minutes ago

Charlie Hebdo Staffer: 'It Lasted Five Minutes... They Spoke French Perfectly' @TPM http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/charlie-hebdo-staffer-says-attackers-claimed-to-be-al-qaida


...........

Corinne Rey, known as Coco, told French publication L'Humanite that she was "brutally threatened" by two armed men at the door of the newspaper's offices after picking her daughter up from daycare.

"They wanted to enter, go up. I typed the code," she said, as quoted by The Guardian. "They shot Wolinski, Cabu ... it lasted five minutes ... I had taken refuge under a desk."

Rey was referring to two of the newspaper's prominent cartoonists, who were among the 12 people killed in the attack.

"They spoke French perfectly ... claiming to be Al-Qaida," she said of the assailants, as quoted by the Guardian.

Other French media reported that the assailants told an eyewitness to "tell the media that we are from Al-Qaida in the Yemen," according to The Guardian.

polly7

(20,582 posts)
136. 5 minutes to snuff out 12 human lives and destroy so many more.
Wed Jan 7, 2015, 03:17 PM
Jan 2015

I so hope they're caught soon, the murdering freaks. That poor woman, I can't even imagine the terror she must have felt. Awful.

frazzled

(18,402 posts)
153. This brutal attack is so much more important than we are acknowledging
Wed Jan 7, 2015, 05:13 PM
Jan 2015

This strikes at the very core of the right to freedom of speech, so long an avowed right of the people in France and a deep tradition there. And thus it strikes at the core of freedom of speech everywhere in the world.

Terrorism can't be allowed to silence voices, no matter how "offensive" those voices may be to you. As we learned as children, sticks and stones can break our bones, but words can never hurt us. This time, words (and images) resulted in great harm ... the deaths of twelve creative and brave individuals.

I'm so sad. I was living in France when Charlie Hebdo first started.

tclambert

(11,087 posts)
157. Why does CNN keep pushing how sophisticated this attack was?
Wed Jan 7, 2015, 05:42 PM
Jan 2015

The gunmen showed some marksmanship skills, even discipline under threat. That shows some experience with firearms, perhaps military. But it doesn't seem like the attack would take more than one afternoon to plan. They just now had an "expert" saying he thinks they must have had help from others, and it's part of a wider plot.

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
181. They are segueing into getting Americans fearful...unless there is a plane crash that is their other
Wed Jan 7, 2015, 10:59 PM
Jan 2015

major "coverage". Fear.

 

Burf-_-

(205 posts)
160. islamic apologist's be like.....
Wed Jan 7, 2015, 07:38 PM
Jan 2015
"Stop painting ALL muslims with a broad brush!!"

(False: it go's without saying that not all muslims are radical terrorists, Lamest argument ever, shut up with that already.)

"We can't be sure it was an Islamic radical group yet, wait for the facts."

(False: Yes WE CAN ! It was definitely Islamic terrorists.)

"Only Racists are against Islam"

(False equivocation: A religion is not a race, any more than an apple is an orange)

" You have to prove that the majority acts of terrorism these days are perpetrated by Muslims "

(Easy Odds there: When was he last time any other group of religious extremists hell bent on mass murdering people for drawing their prophet ? How many people have they killed now for this very asinine reason ? It isn't the first time, and probably won't be the last. How many other completely irrational, misogynist terrorist crimes do Extremist versions of islam perpetrate on their own, and other people than any other ? You can easily bet that whatever the final ratio is it's going to heavily favor islamic terrorists.

" Leave Islam ALONE !!!! "

(NOT GONNA HAPPEN!!: The *quran is where these murderers get the ideas in the first place, so... NO..WE WON'T, not until a majority of **muslim countries, their clergy, and most importantly their common people come together and show they will, unilaterally, crack down HARD on the barbaric practices of the MANY, MANY extremists within it. They Must demand reform in Islam itself so that anyone caught literally acting on the violent verses in the quran will be dealt with immediate ridicule and/or excommunication, made to stand trail and to be judged by bias free secular laws for their crimes, No Sharia for them ! zero exceptions.)



* Quran (5:33) - "The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered/killed or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement"

Quran (8:59-60) - "And let not those who disbelieve suppose that they can outstrip (Allah's Purpose). Lo! they cannot escape. Make ready for them all thou canst of (armed) force and of horses tethered, that thereby ye may dismay the enemy of Allah and your enemy."

No reasonable person who is peaceful will act literally on these. Furthermore why would any reasonable person even want to practice this or any religion with these malicious things written in their "holy" book, which their "GOD" demands they follow ?



** Interestingly enough El si-si calls for reform against radicals in Islam : http://www.commdiginews.com/featured/egyptian-president-el-sisi-seeks-enlightenment-reform-in-the-islamic-world-32819/#2EQkhhbohYVQQTKE.99


Response to Burf-_- (Reply #160)

LeftishBrit

(41,209 posts)
188. Umm?
Thu Jan 8, 2015, 05:10 AM
Jan 2015
Stop painting ALL muslims with a broad brush!!"

(False: it go's without saying that not all muslims are radical terrorists, Lamest argument ever, shut up with that already.)


Goes without saying? People like the EDL and LePen go around implying it all the time. Even though most victims of radical Muslim terrorists are in fact Muslims.

"We can't be sure it was an Islamic radical group yet, wait for the facts."

Who's been saying that? There is no doubt that they were Islamic radicals. What isn't yet clear is which group they belonged to.

"Only Racists are against Islam"

(False equivocation: A religion is not a race, any more than an apple is an orange)


It's not ONLY racists of course; but an awful lot of racists are against Islam mainly because it's a religion of a lot of furriners and immigrants. The same type of people hated furriners and immigrants long before jihadism even became an issue.


" You have to prove that the majority acts of terrorism these days are perpetrated by Muslims "

(Easy Odds there: When was he last time any other group of religious extremists hell bent on mass murdering people for drawing their prophet ? How many people have they killed now for this very asinine reason ? It isn't the first time, and probably won't be the last. How many other completely irrational, misogynist terrorist crimes do Extremist versions of islam perpetrate on their own, and other people than any other ? You can easily bet that whatever the final ratio is it's going to heavily favor islamic terrorists.



Well, obviously it would be Muslims who specifically objected to people ''drawing their prophet"; but there are terrorists of many religions and ideologies. 'Majority these days' - possibly, depending on how you define 'terrorism' as distinct from e.g. 'civil war' or 'gangsterism'. . But pre-1997 most terrorism in the UK for example stemmed from conflict between Catholics and Protestants in Northern Ireland.

" Leave Islam ALONE !!!! "

(NOT GONNA HAPPEN!!: The *quran is where these murderers get the ideas in the first place -

Most unlikely - they got their ideas from radical leaders of the present day.


NO..WE WON'T, not until a majority of **muslim countries, their clergy, and most importantly their common people come together and show they will, unilaterally, crack down HARD on the barbaric practices of the MANY, MANY extremists within


So what do you propose that 'we' do about it? Go to war with all Muslim countries?


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