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jakeXT

(10,575 posts)
Tue Jan 6, 2015, 10:10 PM Jan 2015

Two Earthquakes Widely-Felt Across DFW Tuesday

Source: NBC

A magnitude-3.6 earthquake rumbled across North Texas just before 7 p.m. Tuesday, hours after a magnitude-3.5 earthquake was centered in nearly the same location in Irving, the United States Geological Survey confirms.

The epicenters were both located near the former site of Texas Stadium.

...

The earthquakes were centered in an area where at least 18 quakes have been recorded since October 2014.

Prior to Tuesday, the largest magnitude quake to occur in the Irving area since October 2014 had been a 3.3-magnitude quake on Nov. 22. The most recent was a 2.4 MMI III at 8:29 p.m. New Year's Day.

Read more: http://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/Earthquake-Felt-in-Fort-Worth-Dallas-Irving-287697091.html



Texas seismologists investigate quakes near old Cowboys stadium

DALLAS (Reuters) - Seismologists installed a new earthquake-monitoring device in the Dallas suburb of Irving this week after a series of minor temblors rocked an area near the site of the former Dallas Cowboys football stadium.

Irving was hit by a magnitude 3.5 quake, the U.S. Geological Survey said. It was the strongest in a series of nearly 20 minor quakes to hit around Irving since September.

...

But the seismic series has left residents on edge, wondering if the situation will get worse and what has been behind an uptick in quakes over the last several years.

..

Some residents believe the implosion of Texas Stadium in 2010 may have exacerbated problems. There is also speculation the quakes might be related to hydraulic fracturing, or "fracking," an energy extraction technique that has a long history in north Texas.

http://news.yahoo.com/texas-seismologists-investigate-quakes-near-old-cowboys-stadium-160812555--nfl.html
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Two Earthquakes Widely-Felt Across DFW Tuesday (Original Post) jakeXT Jan 2015 OP
Las Colinas even without earthquakes is not too stable. Downwinder Jan 2015 #1
and how is that? Please do go on. n/t 7wo7rees Jan 2015 #3
Houses slide. Downwinder Jan 2015 #4
more please, houses slide? 7wo7rees Jan 2015 #10
The key is what ground is below you (sand, clay, rock) and mostly what is between you and hard rock. happyslug Jan 2015 #30
I used to work about 2 miles away from Texas Stadium. TexasTowelie Jan 2015 #2
Of course it's the fracking DFW Jan 2015 #5
Thank you. n/t 7wo7rees Jan 2015 #11
there was another one a few mins ago Skittles Jan 2015 #6
2.9 and 2.7 jakeXT Jan 2015 #8
1: Chris Christie's Arrival at DFW Airport 1step Jan 2015 #7
I've gotten a post hid for making Christie fat jokes davidpdx Jan 2015 #15
Fat? What is this "fat" you speak of? 1step Jan 2015 #16
I didn't see anything davidpdx Jan 2015 #17
TEXAS - You guys just keep on fracking SmittynMo Jan 2015 #9
We are not. "They" are!!! 7wo7rees Jan 2015 #12
And we need to continue the support SmittynMo Jan 2015 #13
Have to add to my post SmittynMo Jan 2015 #18
Corporations OWN the politicos in BOTH Parties. We have NO voice in DC! blkmusclmachine Jan 2015 #19
Denton Texas just voted to ban fracking... FloriTexan Jan 2015 #22
Like clockwork, that particular lawsuit was filed the very day Denton passed the resolution. LanternWaste Jan 2015 #27
Yours would be a valid notion were Texas and only Texas guilty of this. LanternWaste Jan 2015 #26
It looks like it's 20 in about two months now. herding cats Jan 2015 #14
Frack under Dallas, have it fall into a crater and they'd claim it was God's punishment for teh gay. Spitfire of ATJ Jan 2015 #20
Is there a gay bar close by? Blame it on those sinful gays. YOHABLO Jan 2015 #21
not just the fracking, the drought settles the land & ruins the permeability of the deep land. Sunlei Jan 2015 #23
Statement re fracking from USGS marions ghost Jan 2015 #24
Fracking. DeSwiss Jan 2015 #25
Eleven earthquakes recorded in less than 24 hours near birthplace of fracking Eugene Jan 2015 #28
I think that earthquakes should be classified. This one is a mild WhiteTara Jan 2015 #29
The Richter Scale is a classification system, but most people do NOT understand it. happyslug Jan 2015 #31
I was standing in line at Love Field for a Soutwest flight when the first one hit. displacedtexan Jan 2015 #32
You will never be able to convince me OnePercentDem Jan 2015 #33

7wo7rees

(5,128 posts)
10. more please, houses slide?
Tue Jan 6, 2015, 10:56 PM
Jan 2015

We live here and have since 1969.

Nevee had earthquakes, last one recorded since this most recent spate was 1950.

We have plenty of problems with homes and the foundations they are on. Settling, cracks in walls, etc. Sliding, not so much.

We live within 2 miles of where the epicenters of all the most recent quakes have been.

Today was extreme.

 

happyslug

(14,779 posts)
30. The key is what ground is below you (sand, clay, rock) and mostly what is between you and hard rock.
Wed Jan 7, 2015, 06:23 PM
Jan 2015
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/River_bank_failure#Tectonic_failure

There mention River bank failure was chartistic of the New Madrid Earthquakes of 1811-1812.

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1029/00EO00337/pdf

More on the New Madrid Earthquakes:

http://www.memphis.edu/ceri/compendium/enigma.pdf

Liquefaction during an earthquake is a problem where buildings are built on sediment NOT rock, which was the case with the Mexico City Earthquake of 1985:

On the bed of the historic lake, the prevailing silt and volcanic clay sediments amplify seismic shaking. Damage to structures is worsened by soil liquefaction which causes the loss of foundation support and contributes to dramatic settlement of large buildings.Mexico City's downtown area mostly lies on the silt and volcanic clay sediments of the bed of the historic Lake Texcoco, which are between seven and thirty-seven meters deep and have a high water content. Above this is a layer of sand and above this is a layer of sand and rock. The western and northwestern parts of the city are outside the old lakeshores and are located on sands from eroding volcanic cones that surround the Valley of Mexico. The southern part of the city rests on hardened basalt lava flows. The old lakebed, with its high water content, is easily moved or compressed. The old lakeshore area also has a fairly high water content, allowing movement, though not as much as the lakebed. The old lava flows have little water content or movement in comparison and are therefore stable.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1985_Mexico_City_earthquake


More on Soil liquefaction:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soil_liquefaction

The phenomenon is most often observed in saturated, loose (low density or uncompacted), sandy soils. This is because a loose sand has a tendency to compress when a load is applied; dense sands by contrast tend to expand in volume or 'dilate'. If the soil is saturated by water, a condition that often exists when the soil is below the ground water table or sea level, then water fills the gaps between soil grains ('pore spaces'). In response to the soil compressing, this water increases in pressure and attempts to flow out from the soil to zones of low pressure (usually upward towards the ground surface). However, if the loading is rapidly applied and large enough, or is repeated many times (e.g. earthquake shaking, storm wave loading) such that it does not flow out in time before the next cycle of load is applied, the water pressures may build to an extent where they exceed the contact stresses between the grains of soil that keep them in contact with each other. These contacts between grains are the means by which the weight from buildings and overlying soil layers are transferred from the ground surface to layers of soil or rock at greater depths. This loss of soil structure causes it to lose all of its strength (the ability to transfer shear stress) and it may be observed to flow like a liquid (hence 'liquefaction').


Liquefaction can cause other problems for example in Southern California you had this situation, do to ground level slowly falling do to removal of underground water, the fire hydrant stayed at the same height it was installed at, but the surrounding land fell:



http://vizionstudios.blogspot.com/2010/08/i-have-not-blogged-enough-recently.html

If the ground under your home is more solid you do NOT see such a drop in ground level and the effect of any earthquake is less. On the other hand if the ground is loose, it shakes like a piece of jello increasing the level of damages (This is what happened in Mexico City in 1985).

Many river bank communities are built on "fill" either naturel (done by the river itself) or man made (as the result of dredging). For this reason tend to be susceptible to earthquake damage then land that stands on solid rock.

TexasTowelie

(112,384 posts)
2. I used to work about 2 miles away from Texas Stadium.
Tue Jan 6, 2015, 10:20 PM
Jan 2015

Maybe there is karma coming back to my horrible supervisor.

7wo7rees

(5,128 posts)
11. Thank you. n/t
Tue Jan 6, 2015, 11:00 PM
Jan 2015

Today was intense as i said in a post above.

Spent time in Southern Ca in 80 and 81, feit a couple then.

Nothing like today!

We are actually having what appear to be after shocks or something. There have been 3 we have felt since 3:10 this pm

There was a press conference this pm with SMU.
They placed a new seismograph in Irving yesterday. There is a city council meeting in Irving on the 15th where this issue is to be discussed.

It is all just a tad unnerving..

 

1step

(380 posts)
7. 1: Chris Christie's Arrival at DFW Airport
Tue Jan 6, 2015, 10:47 PM
Jan 2015

2: CC dancing with Jerry Jones in the owner's box. Simple!

SmittynMo

(3,544 posts)
9. TEXAS - You guys just keep on fracking
Tue Jan 6, 2015, 10:53 PM
Jan 2015

The idiots approving and making these decisions to frack are going to kill the state. I'm figuring the whole state will look like Detroit in 20 years. No one will want to live there.

SmittynMo

(3,544 posts)
13. And we need to continue the support
Tue Jan 6, 2015, 11:30 PM
Jan 2015

It don't take a brain surgeon to determine that fracking is not good. But big oil wants it big time. Who is going to win?

SmittynMo

(3,544 posts)
18. Have to add to my post
Wed Jan 7, 2015, 12:03 AM
Jan 2015

Look at it this way. We live on a huge rock. The earth is like your backbone (center to crust). Your tailbone is near the center of the earth, and the top of your backbone is the earths crust. The vertebrae represent rock.The vertebral disks represent the layers of underground resources (water, oil, gas, etc). Once the disks have been exhausted, logic would dictate the the vertebrae would then collapse. As you go down each vertebrae(level of rock) and extract each disk(water, gas, oil, etc), you now have ability to mix each disk level. What is left in the disk are will still have some pockets of oil,gas,water. Because of fracking, you now have access for each disk area, resulting in the potential of mixing the oil, gas, water. Thus you can light a fire from your faucet. Pretty simple right? Yet big oil says it's all OK, and we are all nuts. BULLSHIT!! Facts are facts. It's all about the money. Don't be surprised that in 20 years, the areas of fracking will sink and will be uninhabitable. Man cannot live without water.

Since fracking has started, Texas has been ALL IN. Texas is now the number one state for earthquakes. Most quakes are near fracking sites. Prior to fracking, they were no where near the top of the list.

It's all about us as a human race, or big oil making billions and destroying our valuable land and cities. It needs to stop NOW. It's not worth the risk. NOT EVEN CLOSE!!!

FloriTexan

(838 posts)
22. Denton Texas just voted to ban fracking...
Wed Jan 7, 2015, 12:23 PM
Jan 2015

and the city is now being sued by various energy-related groups.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
27. Like clockwork, that particular lawsuit was filed the very day Denton passed the resolution.
Wed Jan 7, 2015, 04:56 PM
Jan 2015

Like clockwork, that particular lawsuit was filed the very day Denton passed the resolution. Energy PACs had dozens of spokespersons crisscrossing the city in the weeks leading up to the vote doing their best to buy off/out-talk/coerce voters into allowing fracking to continue. Yet, as they were unable to subvert the voting process, God only knows they'll have a better chance subverting the judicial process (TX judges are voted in rather than appointed).

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
26. Yours would be a valid notion were Texas and only Texas guilty of this.
Wed Jan 7, 2015, 04:47 PM
Jan 2015

Yours would be a valid notion were Texas and only Texas guilty of this.

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
23. not just the fracking, the drought settles the land & ruins the permeability of the deep land.
Wed Jan 7, 2015, 12:45 PM
Jan 2015

rains will runoff and flood and there will be many more mud slides.

marions ghost

(19,841 posts)
24. Statement re fracking from USGS
Wed Jan 7, 2015, 04:18 PM
Jan 2015
http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/eventpage/usc000tca7#summary

Induced Seismicity

As is the case elsewhere in the world, there is evidence that some central and eastern North America earthquakes have been triggered or caused by human activities that have altered the stress conditions in earth's crust sufficiently to induce faulting. Activities that have induced felt earthquakes in some geologic environments have included impoundment of water behind dams, injection of fluid into the earth's crust, extraction of fluid or gas, and removal of rock in mining or quarrying operations. In much of eastern and central North America, the number of earthquakes suspected of having been induced is much smaller than the number of natural earthquakes, but in some regions, such as the south-central states of the U.S., a significant majority of recent earthquakes are thought by many seismologists to have been human-induced. Even within areas with many human-induced earthquakes, however, the activity that seems to induce seismicity at one location may be taking place at many other locations without inducing felt earthquakes. In addition, regions with frequent induced earthquakes may also be subject to damaging earthquakes that would have occurred independently of human activity. Making a strong scientific case for a causative link between a particular human activity and a particular sequence of earthquakes typically involves special studies devoted specifically to the question. Such investigations usually address the process by which the suspected triggering activity might have significantly altered stresses in the bedrock at the earthquake source, and they commonly address the ways in which the characteristics of the suspected human-triggered earthquakes differ from the characteristics of natural earthquakes in the region.
ShakeMap
Contributed by USGS National Earthquake Information Center



http://www.commondreams.org

Eugene

(61,939 posts)
28. Eleven earthquakes recorded in less than 24 hours near birthplace of fracking
Wed Jan 7, 2015, 05:03 PM
Jan 2015

Source: The Guardian

Eleven earthquakes recorded in less than 24 hours near birthplace of fracking

Suzanne Goldenberg, US environment correspondent
theguardian.com, Wednesday 7 January 2015 19.49 GMT

The north Texas birthplace of fracking has been rattled by 11 earthquakes in just over 24 hours, the US Geological Survey (USGS) said on Wednesday.

All of the earthquakes, which ranged in magnitude from 1.6 to 3.6, occurred around the town of Irving, west of Dallas.

The first earthquake, a magnitude of 2.3, struck around 7.37am local time on Tuesday, near the site of the former Dallas Cowboys stadium.

No major injuries or damage were reported in any of the quakes.

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Read more: http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/jan/07/11-earthquakes-24-hours-irving-texas-fracking

WhiteTara

(29,721 posts)
29. I think that earthquakes should be classified. This one is a mild
Wed Jan 7, 2015, 05:39 PM
Jan 2015

rumble. True earthquakes begin around 6.0 and monsters come in about 7.+ But it's hard to wake up for a 3.6.

 

happyslug

(14,779 posts)
31. The Richter Scale is a classification system, but most people do NOT understand it.
Wed Jan 7, 2015, 06:52 PM
Jan 2015
The Richter magnitude scale (also Richter scale) assigns a magnitude number to quantify the energy released by an earthquake. The Richter scale is a base-10 logarithmic scale, which defines magnitude as the logarithm of the ratio of the amplitude of the seismic waves to an arbitrary, minor amplitude.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richter_magnitude_scale


In simple terms, a Earthquake of 2, is 10 times more severe as an earthquake of 1. A 3 earthquake is again 10 times as powerful as a 2. This goes on and on.

Minor Earthquakes have a Richter Scale between 2 and 3.9

Light is 4.0 to 4.9

Moderate 5.0 to 5.9

Strong 6.0 to 6.9

Major 7.0 to 7.9

Great 8.0 and above.

displacedtexan

(15,696 posts)
32. I was standing in line at Love Field for a Soutwest flight when the first one hit.
Wed Jan 7, 2015, 08:11 PM
Jan 2015

I thought it was an earthquake because I had experienced one in DC a few years ago that was a 5.1, but no one said anything until we had boarded. Then a woman across from me read on her phone about the earthquake.

Here's what I find interesting: I've been in 2 earthquakes in the last 3 years, but neither was in San Francisco, where I live.

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