Harry Reid Breaks Ribs, Bones In His Face While Exercising At Home

[Little Star]

Source: Huffington Post

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) broke "a number of ribs and bones in his face" after an accident that occurred while he was exercising at home, his office said in a statement Friday.

Reid, who is expected to make a full recovery, was taken to St. Rose Dominican Hospital in Nevada and later transferred to another medical center and "admitted overnight as a precaution." Reid is expected to return to Washington this weekend and resume work on Tuesday.


Read more: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/01/02/harry-reid-injured_n_6406716.html

[MADem]

1. Oh, no--poor Harry!

A piece of equipment Senator Reid was using to exercise broke, causing him to fall and break a number of ribs and bones in his face.

Sounds like the treadmill belt separated....

He's always been a very fit guy (not obvious to look at him). I hope he gets well soon.

[hlthe2b]

2. ooh. painful...

Yeah, it sounds like a treadmill belt broke. I only power walk on mine, but if I ran on it, I would have it inspected every few years in very dry Colorado.

[PoliticAverse]

132. Treadmills are dangerous...

[hlthe2b]

133. Oh, my... That's some bad placement

adding injury to insult.

[Fla Dem]

12. I believe in his younger days he was an amateur boxer. nt

[MADem]

14. He was! nt

[Cleita]

177. Actually another report said it was an elastic band that snapped and hit

him. He probably pulled it too taut and the tension broke it.

[MADem]

180. Yes, this initial discussion took place before details were known. nt

[Demeter]

3. Time to Retire, Harry

Past time. Retire for your sake, if you won't retire for the sake of the People and the Party....

[George II]

4. Why?

[The Stranger]

107. Because he sucks.

[hlthe2b]

5. Because he is physically active to work out at such a level that an equipment malfunction

could injure him?

[Demeter]

16. Because he is a failure and Democrats need new blood in his position of power

regardless of how long it will take a man his age to recover from such injuries....

[MADem]

21. Oh, please. Learn how the Senate works, why don't you?

Should Bernie Sanders retire too? They're close in age.

Nice ageist remarks you're making--hardly "progressive."

And the reason he's in "power" is because the Democratic Senators ELECTED him to his position. That's how it works--they CHOSE him.

[Demeter]

95. Bernie Sanders in not a failure in anyone's books

[MADem]

106. So why are you insinuating that he might be? You were the one making the ageist comments, and he's

an "oldie" along with the rest of the people I named....and many more I haven't named.

[GreatGazoo]

43. "Republicans have 9 lives while Democrats bury the living" = too true

How soon some forget:

RNC Spokeswoman Admits Harry Reid Was Right About Romney’s Taxes All Along, Whoops

http://wonkette.com/516587/rnc-spokeswoman-admits-harry-reid-was-right-about-romneys-taxes-all-along-whoops#KK8fCxZoRxSlDv0g.99

Do you have a good supply of knives or will you be needing that one you stuck in Reid's back back?

[FBaggins]

89. You're ready to give republicans another Senate seat?

Or do you think that Sandoval will give you someone more acceptable?

[WhiteTara]

104. Maybe Elizabeth could help him out

while he is recouping which would make it easier to take his place. I think kshe would be terrific.

[Demeter]

105. I think Elizabeth's strength will be as the Outsider, forcing the conversation towards reform

What we need is someone like LBJ herding the Senate Cat Pack.

[WhiteTara]

108. I think she has leadership abilities.

LBJ is dead.

[Demeter]

109. Yes! Elizabeth HAS Leadership Abilities in Spades!

But she must lead the People. THEN she will be able to turn the Senate and the country around.

[WhiteTara]

128. You start where you are.

She's in the Senate and until she becomes known to "the people", she can only lead the ones who know her.

[Demeter]

150. There has NEVER been a Top-Down Revolution

and it will take nothing less than a grassroots movement of might and leadership to make our nation healthy and happy again.

[CreekDog]

170. you want Harry Reid to retire so a Republican governor can replace him?

I don't think you've thought this out.

[former9thward]

19. Where does it say there was an equipment malfunction?

He could have fallen which I suspect is the case.

[MADem]

23. Right there in the piece--doesn't ANYONE ever click on the link, ever...?????

A piece of equipment Senator Reid was using to exercise broke, causing him to fall and break a number of ribs and bones in his face.

[former9thward]

25. I clicked the link.

But just read the story, not the statement. That said, if someone has an accident it is easy to blame the equipment. Nobody is going to check it.

[MADem]

28. "Nobody is going to check it." Really? How do you know this?

I really don't "get" some of the comments I read on this board.

I'd say if a piece of equipment fails, someone most certainly "IS" going to check it -- and probably in very short order, too.

[former9thward]

33. Who?

Someone is going to go into Reid's house and report the results? Who would this be?

[MADem]

42. Of course they are--you think Reid is going to just leave that piece of equipment in the corner?

Use it to hang his suit coat on? If the thing was still under warranty, he'll probably do more than that...

[former9thward]

50. Yes, and I sure all of this will be reported.

Please ....

[MADem]

103. Reid's office issued a statement. You've done nothing but cast aspersions with no evidence

throughout this thread.

Your comments do not acquit you well.

So yeah...PLEASE, indeed.

[George II]

115. WHO CARES???? Now we're assuming people are lying about the exercise equipment they use?

Damn, isn't ANYONE around here happy or trusting anymore about ANYTHING??????

[former9thward]

118. I very happy.

Maybe you trust your government (I am assuming you are Canadian) but I don't trust mine. I don't really care about Reid's exercise equipment. Maybe it broke, maybe not. But I do wonder about the assumptions that people make.

[George II]

121. HAH....WTF?

First you say "I am assuming you are Canadian". Then you follow up with "I do wonder about the assumptions that people make"!!!

Look in the mirror, bud.

[former9thward]

125. That is the flag of Canada is it not?

I have seen in most posts on DU that posters assume a person with that avatar is Canadian. That is an assumption a reasonable person would make. All you have to do is say you are not, if you are not. What's the big deal?

[Demit]

127. I too enjoyed the irony of watching you assume something, then tsk

about people who make assumptions. Except I see now that you mean some assumptions are okay. If they're made by reasonable people. Such as you fancy yourself to be (but not those others).

[George II]

129. On the one hand you make an assumtion (which, incidentally is false!) and then you proceed.....

....to say that you question assumptions people make. Like I said, look in the mirror.

[former9thward]

136. When other posters who have that flag

get a reply with the mention of Canada I have never seen you jump in and question that assumption. Hmmm. I look forward to you jumping in the future. Actually I don't, because it won't happen.

[George II]

140. Yes, you're correct.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

169. Are you a yellow lab or a golden retriever?

[CreekDog]

191. LMAO

[davidpdx]

172. You DO know that some DUers live abroad?

So no, that is not an assumption a reasonable person would make. It is jumping to a conclusion that is false. Yes, there are some members who are not Americans who are just curious about American politics.

I can name about a dozen DU members off the top of my head that I know live abroad and those are only the ones I have personally interacted with. I'm sure there are many more than that.

[snooper2]

187. It is a conspiracy so he can meet privately in the hospital with some oil execs

You need to check the patient lists to see what other powerful people "checked in" with "injuries"

They have been doing this since the 50's !

[former9thward]

188. Whatever helps you get though the day.

[MADem]

153. It's almost starting to look like a "goading and baiting" exercise..

I'm amazed at some of the attitudes I'm seeing in this thread. Not very big D Democratic at all! And certainly not progressive, either.

[George II]

154. It's been very strange around here the last few days:

We've had someone insisting that Mario Cuomo wasn't the "liberal" he's set up to be.

We've had someone claiming Andrew Cuomo (and Mario) were "anti-labor".

I was accused of being "anti-woman" because I'm not supporting Elizabeth Warren for President, even though I'm supporting Hillary Clinton as of now.

Those are only a few examples of what I've seen here since the weekend. Now we've got this?

I wonder if it's holiday depression, winter doldrums, or even hangovers?

[MADem]

156. I wonder what the admins think of some of this stuff?

I agree that there are some strange things happening around here lately.

[former9thward]

173. You tried to bait me for being "anti-woman"

and now you are complaining? LOL.

BTW I have not said anything about Mario Cuomo but you do know what his campaign slogan was when he ran against Koch for governor was don't you???

[George II]

174. When did I try to "bait" you? If I remember (that was yesterday), I merely showed....

....how silly your premise was.

Yes, I know what some SAY was Mario Cuomo's campaign slogan was, but it was determined decades ago as not HIS slogan, but a "dirty trick" by someone else.

[former9thward]

178. "How do you feel about a woman running for president"?

To ask anyone on this board that question, which had zero to do with the OP, is implying I would have some problem. That is a bait, pure and simple.

The Cuomo slogan was repeated yesterday in the New York Times, in their obituary of him. So I guess someone forgot to tell them "it was determined decades ago as not HIS slogan, but a "dirty trick" by someone else."

I don't believe in speaking ill of the dead so believe what makes you feel better.

[George II]

179. In the context there was nothing wrong with it, especially since you previously declared...

....that no one of Social Security age should run for President. As I said, my question was to show the silliness of your declaration. To disqualify anyone based on a demographic (age, sex, race, religion, etc.) is ridiculous.

Now twist and spin and isolate the question any way you want, it won't change the reason for the question.

I know the NY Times printed that expression yesterday, and it was repeated several times after the news of his death and discussion of his life and political career. But they did NOT say it was Cuomo's "campaign slogan", did they?

Just as you left out the context of my so-called "baiting" (your terminology) question, you also conveniently left out the context of the term as it was used in the NY Times obituary:

It was a harsh campaign. In one instance placards appeared in middle-class neighborhoods proclaiming, “Vote for Cuomo, Not the Homo.” (Mr. Koch declined to answer questions about his sexual orientation.)

Mr. Cuomo and his son Andrew, a campaign adviser, denied having anything to do with the placards, though Mr. Koch said he never fully believed it.

The way you present it, Cuomo was behind the incident AND he embraced it as his "campaign slogan". Both are totally false!

[former9thward]

181. You said it was "determined decades ago

as not HIS slogan, but a "dirty trick" by someone else." So clearly, since it is being reported decades later, it has NOT been determined it was not his slogan and it has not been determined that the infamous "someone else" was behind it. If that has been determined -- name them.

When campaigns get caught in hot water they always say "its not us". Always the infamous "someone else."

[George II]

182. It DID happen, so it still will be reported on today, tomorrow, and for years to come.

History doesn't change.

That doesn't mean it's true, and I haven't seen anyone in a long time claim that it's true. At this point in time, other than in a review of Mario Cuomo's exemplary career, that incident is barely mentioned.

You're just being argumentative, just as you were in dozens of posts yesterday. Remember, this is a discussion of Harry Reid, not Mario Cuomo. Yet you're trying to start an argument about Mario Cuomo as you tried to start one about my avatar and citizenship. Want to gripe about the color of the sky too?

My point has been made, why don't you move on? Better yet, start your own discussion if you want to discuss incidents from 30 or more years ago, okay?

[former9thward]

183. "Remember, this is a discussion of Harry Reid, not Mario Cuomo."

You brought up Mario Cuomo, not me... If you think I am just argumentative the administrators have kindly offered a feature called "Ignore".

[alcibiades_mystery]

39. Ay yay yay

Summary:

f: "Where does it say equipment malfunction! I think he fell!"
M: "It says it right there in at the link. Here's the quotation."
f: "Probably, they're lying about that. Who could verify?"

What in the fuck?

[MADem]

44. It's just so ridiculous!!!!!!!

He doesn't drink, but he's "glug gluging" "martinis"....

No shame, no embarrassment!!!

Might as well just wear a great big "I HAVE AN AGENDA" sign!

[CreekDog]

61. It's pretty easy for a poster to say that if an elderly man fell, it's his fault

[former9thward]

62. And the reverse is true also.

[CreekDog]

69. but only in the former case is anyone being accused of lying

[Kingofalldems]

63. Clever.

[Kingofalldems]

72. Would you have jumped in with insinuations if

a republican were involved?

[former9thward]

112. Of course.

Why wouldn't I? A search of my posts will show you that. You can do that? Right? I suspect I have been a Dem longer than you have been alive -- even if you declare yourself to be the 'King' of all of us.

[CreekDog]

171. the statement was in the story

And then you rush here to say something wrong about the story.

Given what you've written in your profile, I would hope you wouldn't be so careless.

[Thor_MN]

41. He DID fall, after the equipment broke. Says it right in the statement from his office.

Please cite your reason for declaring his office's statement to be false.

[Posteritatis]

45. "I got called out on not seeing obvious information and am digging in my heels in response."

Pretty standard doubling-down with something like this these days.

[former9thward]

52. I don't know if it is false or not.

But I do know a lot of older people blame equipment for their accidents instead of age. Ask a cop how many seniors have told them "my brakes failed!"

[Thor_MN]

66. So in other words, you have no information, yet decided to call them liars.

Why would I ask a cop something totally unrelated to the OP to back your claim? You made the claim, you provide the evidence.

[former9thward]

68. What "claim" did I make?

Do a cut and paste.

[Thor_MN]

71. OK.

"Where does it say there was an equipment malfunction?"

[former9thward]

76. I replied to that in post #25.

Again, you did not read the thread but just are picking and choosing posts to reply to.

[Thor_MN]

82. Your reply says you didn't read everything, then doubled down on calling them liars.

[former9thward]

86. Please do a cut and paste to where I called anyone a Liar.

[Thor_MN]

90. What do you think questioning if a statement is true amounts to?

If all you have is your unsubstantiated "But I do know a lot of older people blame equipment for their accidents instead of age.", you don't have much.

[George II]

116. "if someone has an accident it is easy to blame the equipment. Nobody is going to check it."

[former9thward]

123. That is a factual statement.

It does not mean that the equipment here did or did not break. Are you aware of Reid's low speed car accident in 2012? The one where i
he was injured but would not have been injured if he was wearing a seat belt? The one in which he said he was wearing a seatbelt since that is the law?

[hlthe2b]

73. Not only calling Reid a liar... see his post down below

where he calls Reid a "REPUBLICAN"....

[former9thward]

113. Do a cut and paste of that BS

Of course you have me on ignore so you can't see this .....

[NBachers]

142. I have yet to see a post from 9ward that is not annoying, irritating, or disagreeable

In fact, to prevent any further irritation, I'm placing that person on "ignore" right now.

Finally, relief!

[former9thward]

185. Thank you!

[hlthe2b]

53. Had you read the piece linked, the entire statement is highlighted there & below

Read the entire statement below:

On Thursday, Senator Reid received treatment at University Medical Center in Las Vegas for injuries sustained in an accident he suffered while exercising at home in Henderson.

A piece of equipment Senator Reid was using to exercise broke, causing him to fall and break a number of ribs and bones in his face.

Senator Reid will return to Washington this weekend and be in the office Tuesday as the Senate prepares to reconvene. His doctors expect a full recovery.

Senator Reid was first brought to St. Rose Dominican Hospital in Henderson by his security detail. He was then transferred to UMC for further testing, where he was admitted overnight as a precaution.

Really.. when you make an error and miss something just admit it. Don't keep digging in the hole you are in.

[former9thward]

60. I already posted about that.

You have not read the thread so I will not repeat it. Older people often blame "equipment malfunctions" for accidents due to their age. If you don't know that I can't help you. If you believe every statement that is released by a politician (or anyone else) I can't help you.

[hlthe2b]

64. And you, have what evidence to call out Reid as a liar in his OFFICIAL statement? None, obviously

Which has shown others here a very ugly truth about you and YOUR veracity.

[former9thward]

67. Republicans put out OFFICIAL statements all the time.

People, without evidence, show no hesitation to be skeptical, about those. This is a discussion board. Again if you believe statements without evidence, I can't help you.

[hlthe2b]

70. So Reid is now a "REPUBLICAN"--really? You want to say THAT instead of acknowledging your mistake?

Keep digging, bud. No mind the quicksand that awaits.

Just for the record, here is what YOU said:
former9thward

67. Republicans put out OFFICIAL statements all the time.


People, without evidence, show no hesitation to be skeptical, about those. This is a discussion board. Again if you believe statements without evidence, I can't help you.

[former9thward]

74. Please do a cut and paste where I said Reid is a Republican.

Try again. Are you saying that ALL R statements are false and ALL D statements are true?

[hlthe2b]

75. I already did so... Your statement is included in my post. I guess you don't read ANYTHING, do you?

Everyone on this subthread is clear on YOUR intent.

[former9thward]

77. So you accept all statements from Ds without thinking?

And reject all others without thinking? Ok, that's fine if you want to live your life that way. Makes things simple.

[hlthe2b]

78. I think you are clearly in the wrong place if you intend to call out Dems as Liars with NO PROOF

whatsoever. Time will tell, but this subthread has been very revealing to me and many others here.

[former9thward]

85. Please do a cut and paste to where I called anyone a Liar.

I posted that I don't know if the statement was accurate or not. But I do know seniors often blame accidents on equipment instead of themselves. Reid himself had a very low speed car accident in 2012 where if he had been wearing a seat belt he would not have been injured. He was injured. He released a statement saying he was wearing a seat belt (of course if he had not been it would have been a violation of the law).

[hlthe2b]

91. You have already proven yourself unwilling to take responsibility for your mistakes and lacking

in the basic integrity to admit those mistakes-- Likewise willing to call out Democrats as " liars" and "Republican". You had ample opportunities to correct the record but merely doubled down.

I certainly want NOTHING to do with you now. Welcome to ignore as long as you last here.

[former9thward]

92. Thank you.

Have a nice day!

[LanternWaste]

186. Much as many half-wits blame attribute their own idiocy to skepticism...

"But I do know seniors often blame accidents on equipment instead of themselves..."

Much as many half-wits blame attribute their own idiocy to skepticism, and cower behind implication rather than stand in front of their own intent.

[Kingofalldems]

87. Confirmation for me.

[former9thward]

94. Thank you.

Have a nice day!

[DeadLetterOffice]

99. Results of your Jury Service

On Fri Jan 2, 2015, 01:19 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

So Reid is now a "REPUBLICAN"--really? You want to say THAT instead of acknowledging your mistake?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=978833

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

lying about another person's post and running topic off the track

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Fri Jan 2, 2015, 01:28 PM, and the Jury voted 1-6 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Oh please.
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[hlthe2b]

100. It figures ...

[Demeter]

110. I take it you were on this jury?

[DeadLetterOffice]

143. Yup

I pretty much always post the results from any jury I'm on -- I like transparency.

[former9thward]

114. Even though the poster was attacking me

I disagree with the alert and would have voted to leave it. I have never alerted on a post and suspect I will never. People should have the freedom to express their ideas in a polite way on a discussion board. We are all intelligent adults here (I think) and we should be capable of either responding to a post or not depending on our interest.

[George II]

117. No, SOME "older people" blame the equipment, so you're assuming that just because he's "older"...

....he lied about the equipment breaking. The hole you've been digging here just gets deeper and deeper.

[former9thward]

119. Please do a cut and paste to where I called anyone a Liar.

[George II]

124. When you imply that someone isn't telling the truth about something....

....i.e., cavalierly claiming "older people blame the equipment", you're essentially saying they, in this case meaning Harry Reid, is not telling the truth, i.e., he's a liar.

Aren't you dizzy yet from all the spinning you've been doing?

[earthside]

8. Indications are he wants to run again.

How pathetic is that?

I wish him full recovery from his injuries, of course.

But what is wrong with the Democratic Party that except for a relatively young Barack Obama, it seems to be laden with old fogies?

Hillary Clinton, Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, Joe Biden ... I'm all about respecting age, but jeez, maybe it is time for a new generation of leadership.

[GGJohn]

17. If Brian Sandoval, the hugely popular Gov. of NV. decides to run against Sen. Reid,

Sen. Reid will lose this time around, the only reason he won last time was because the insane teaparty managed to get that RWNJ, Sharron Angle as the republican nominee, anyone else and Sen. Reid would have lost.

[enlightenment]

49. Check your "hugely popular" at the door, please.

Sandoval won heavily this time around because the Dems refused to support a viable candidate (he won the last time because he's charismatic, knows how to lie through his abnormally white teeth, and seriously sucked up to the Hispanic population of the state).

The scuttlebutt was that Harry made a back-room deal with Sandoval in order to get Medicaid expanded in the state. If Sandoval supported it (which he did), then the Dems wouldn't make a serious challenge to his reelection bid (which they didn't). So, the party refused to support viable candidates - among them the very popular termed out AG, Katherine Cortez-Mastos (we elect all our politicians, so the governor's cabinet is a mixed bag, party-wise) . . . and ran Bob Goodman, who no one had ever heard of before the election season started. Even then, he received minimal support from the party - I hope he got some kind of nice pay-off for agreeing to be made a laughing stock.

Nevada is divided pretty evenly, with the south (Clark Co./Las Vegas) more liberal than the north. Dems didn't do well this election for a variety of reasons (turn-out among younger voters was abysmal, particularly in the south) - but Sandoval didn't win just because of that. He won because the Dem party gave the voters no real choice and they responded with a resounding "meh".

As to whether or not he'll take Harry's seat? It's a possibility - Harry manages to piss off Dems in the state on a regular basis. But it wouldn't be a vote for Sandoval as much as an indictment of Harry.

"Hugely popular" is a gross over-statement. Really.

[GGJohn]

51. Sorry, but you're wrong.

Even in Clark County, which is heavily Democrat, he's very popular as in the rest of the state.
If he decides to run for the Senate, barring any mis-steps, he'll win.

[enlightenment]

54. I live in Clark County.

Sorry, but you don't know what you're talking about.

[GGJohn]

56. I used to live in Clark County before I moved to Flagstaff,

I do know what I'm talking about. Mesquite to be exact.

[enlightenment]

58. Tell you what.

I won't opine about Arizona politics if you'll refrain from telling a current resident of Nevada that they are "wrong".

Have a nice day.

[GGJohn]

59. You have a nice day also.

Freakin cold as hell here, lots of snow on the ground.

[jeff47]

40. Those "old fogies" failed to form a coalition with "the kids".

Roughly speaking, the older half of the baby boomers, younger half of GenX, and older half of Millennials tend to be liberal.
The younger half of baby boomers and older half of GenX tend to be conservative.

The "Reagan Revolution" was driven by younger boomers and older GenX. They formed a coalition that is the core of the Republican party today.

Older boomers failed to form a coalition with younger GenX. Instead, they were aligned with WWII-era Democrats. They did not address the issues younger GenX wanted addressed. As a result, younger GenX participated far less than other voting groups. Which meant far fewer young GenX entered politics. So there are far fewer of them to select from at higher levels of government.

Given the low participation rate and institutional barriers, this will probably continue until the number of older Boomers in politics drops a lot due to old age.

[MADem]

48. Bernie Sanders, Liz Warren, Al Franken....yeah, a bunch of "old fogies." Ageist much? nt

[earthside]

79. 'Old fogey' is a state of mind.

Folks like Sanders, Warren and Franken -- no matter their physical age -- demonstrate bold vision and progressive attitudes.

The truth is tough, but the establishment 'leadership' of the Democratic Party, especially in Congress, is definitely 'old fogey'.

And Hillary Clinton has a very 'old fogey' orientation.

[MADem]

111. Oh, I think "Old Fogey" is code around these parts for "People who are disliked" by some posters.

I think these ageist comments are anti-progressive in the extreme! Embarrassing!

Might as well say "We only like the ---good-- old folks, not those 'uppity' ones!" That's the kind of stink I smell coming off these "OLD" comments....they're as bad as the "He must be drunk" comments from people who know nothing about the man or his private life.

Disgraceful.

This entire shitty thread is not DU's finest hour.

[earthside]

161. And I think "ageist" is code for "don't criticize Hillary".

The Hillary intransigence was not DU's finest series of hours seven years ago ... and signs are it is ready to repeat.

Disgraceful, indeed.

[MADem]

162. It could also be code for "Don't criticize Bernie" or "Don't criticize Elizabeth" in actual fact.

Bernie's the oldest, but the other two are about a year and a half apart in age.

It's foolishness. The only time age might be a factor is if the CANDIDATE decides that they don't want the rigors of a campaign. If they can handle the pace, they shouldn't be constrained because someone who doesn't like them doesn't think it "seemly" that they run....

[former9thward]

88. People running for President should not be SS eligible when they run.

The job is too stress filled. Obama was one of our younger presidents and look how much it has aged him in 6 years.

[MADem]

96. Talk about discriminatory! Can't believe you said that!

Would you like to pick out the preferrred color, gender, ethnicity and orientation of the Perfect President, too?

Have I taken a wrong turn? Is this Wingnut Underground I've stumbled upon?

That attitude is anything BUT progressive!

Look, anyone who wants to run CAN run--even if they're ninety. You're not the gatekeeper.

I think this comment says alot about you, though--none of it good.

former9thward
88. People running for President should not be SS eligible when they run.
View profile
The job is too stress filled. Obama was one of our younger presidents and look how much it has aged him in 6 years.

Harry's not running for President--so you've no worries about him.

I'm starting to wonder if we don't need a 'maturity test' for voters now, based on this conversation...

( for the irony-impaired )

[Demeter]

97. Be careful what you ask for

you might fail that test yourself

[MADem]

98. Try rereading the post again.

Pay particular attention to the last line.

[George II]

139. "Wingnut Underground" - HAH, good one. The Sci-Fi channel was running a "Twilight Zone" marathon...

...yesterday. I'm beginning to think I just tuned in again with the unbelievable stuff I've read on this site today.

[former9thward]

144. Discrimintory?

LOL. People discriminate every day of their lives. If you want to hire a babysitter for your kids do you hire the first person on CL wanting job?

Voters hire a president. And yes, I am the gatekeeper for my vote. Who else would be? I think a president should be mentally and physically capable for the job. I know DU is senior dominated since there have been many age poll threads on the subject. So I guess I know where some of the anger is coming from.

I also think SC justices should have mandatory retirement. Funny, I have never seen you post saying "ageist" when people say various SC justices are too old.

When I worked in a steel mill there were many jobs older people could not do. In other jobs there were people who did not have the mental stamina to do it. I guess at your company you would hire people randomly since anything other than that is by definition discriminatory.

[MADem]

147. Oh please--don't be coy or cute.

You aren't hiring a babysitter, here--you're insulting people based on their age. They aren't working in a steel mill, either, so that flailing example isn't cutting it either.

Here's the thing--the voters are the "deciders" as to which politician might stay, or go. Not you and your arbitrary "I don't like that one because they're too old to suit me" discriminations.

Keep digging!

[former9thward]

151. I am one of those voters.

So I am in that pool who is a "decider" whether you like it or not. I notice you don't put what your requirements are. Are you afraid someone will say its discriminatory? Well guess what? No matter what you put down it will be.

[MADem]

152. You are one single, solitary person who (proudly, apparently) discriminates based on age.

Fortunately, most people don't employ that sort of ageist bigotry when making their choice. And most people would be ashamed to admit that it was a key criteria in their minds!

I don't think you're in the critical mass of deciders, frankly--and I think you are not representative of most of the Democratic Party in the way you approach older Americans serving in the Senate.

[former9thward]

155. The Senate is not the Presidency

which is what we were discussing in this sub-thread. Not remotely close. I have voted for older people for the Senate. If you think I am the only person you must avoid alot of threads on DU. Or you willfully forget them for the purposes of this thread. How about all the Grandpa McCain threads which have attacked McCain running for president purely on age. An assessment I agree with btw.

[MADem]

158. You joined this thread to shit on Harry Reid.

I see you.

I'm not the only one who does, either.

I see you--clearly.

[former9thward]

160. I see you too.

Have a nice day!

[MADem]

163. You need to start seeing yourself. I always have a nice day! nt

[George II]

126. HOLY CRAP! I can't believe I just read that!

[George II]

130. How do you feel about women running for president?

[former9thward]

138. I voted for one in 2008.

How do you feel?

[George II]

141. You voted for a woman for President in 2008? Write-in? I'll be supporting Clinton next year, but..

...if she doesn't get the nomination I'll vote for the candidate that does as long as he/she isn't on Social Security!

[former9thward]

145. No write in.

Clinton was on the ballot in my state in the primary. So have you ever voted for a woman for President? If not, why?

[George II]

146. There hasn't been a woman on the ballot that I can recall. I also haven't....

....voted for an Asian, a Hispanic, a Catholic, a Jew, a Muslim, etc.

I must be a bigot, huh?

[former9thward]

148. You are throwing out the charges, not I.

[MADem]

15. You don't get how it works.

You don't elect him as leader of the Senate Democrats--the Senate Democrats do.

And they like him, that's why he's still leader.

[Demeter]

20. Well, I'm so glad the Millionaire Class likes him

I don't. I've watched him betray the nation and its People for years. I'd say this "accident" is a sign, and he should take it.

[MADem]

24. Not buying your drama. "Betray the nation?" Well, gee, blame every Democratic senator for voting

him in as leader, AGAIN. Include Warren and Sanders in that group, too, while you're at it.

No one knows the Senate rules better than Harry Reid--no one. And that's what it takes to be leader.

I'd say your post is an indication of your understanding of how the Senate chooses their leadership.

And your use of scare quotes with the word "accident?" That says a lot about you, too--none of it terribly impressive.

[Exultant Democracy]

122. I find it hard to think that seat wouldn't go red.

Is there any dem in Nevada strong enough to take his place.

[onehandle]

6. I had a cable driven weight machine pretty much explode on me once.

A pulley at the end of a cable, traveling like a bullet, missed my right eye by a fraction of an inch.

Fell on my ass, bruised my shoulder, arm, and said ass. Didn't break anything.

Rest up, Senator. Evil is coming.

[MyNameGoesHere]

7. Is he accident prone?

Seems to me he has a lot of accidents over the years. Glug glug?

[Cha]

9. No. What other accidents are you refering to?

[MyNameGoesHere]

10. From memory then I googles it

since 2009. Yeah he's had a few bumps and bruises.

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

13. Did he choke on a pretzel yet?

[MADem]

27. Gee--can't help but notice you aren't listing them. You need to do that. nt

[madokie]

34. If my memory serves me right he was in an auto accident not too long ago

seems like it might have been a couple years ago
Hell I might be daydreaming though
so there is that

[MADem]

37. That's his fault? He was a PASSENGER--he wasn't driving!!!

Capitol Police, who provide a security detail for top leaders including Reid, were driving the majority leader in one of the force's top security vehicles, a Chevrolet Suburban SUV. Reid is at home campaigning for President Obama and Democratic candidates in Nevada. The accident occurred on a heavily traveled portion of I-15 just west of the Las Vegas Strip, where most of the city's most famous casinos reside.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-politics/wp/2012/10/26/harry-reid-hospitalized-after-las-vegas-car-crash/

[madokie]

38. I wasn't implying fault by anyone

I was simply saying I thought he was in an auto accident not too long ago in response to is he accident prone type statements

[Posteritatis]

46. Two injuries in six years is "accident prone" now? (nt)

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

11. Yeah, everyone loves getting on a treadmill after a few martinis.

[MADem]

30. That's a spurious accusation for which you have ZERO evidence.

Says a lot about you that you'd invent that charge, though.

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

164. I was responding sarcastically to this post

"Seems to me he has a lot of accidents over the years. Glug glug?"

[MADem]

165. Probably a good idea to acquaint yourself with smilies...

In this environment a will not go amiss.

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

166. I used one I thought was signifying the same thing

This--->

But I can understand the confusion.

[MADem]

167. My fault, then--I missed that!

Old eyes aren't what they used to be...

Guess I should be put out to pasture with Reid, Clinton, Sanders, Warren, etc!!!

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

168. Yeah, I just turn 60. I'm falling apart.

If I could afford to retire I would in a NY minute!

[MADem]

18. Yeah, please list all these "accidents" he's "prone" to....

Harry is a MORMON, so "glug-glug" not...but nice try at a smear, there.

Do a little homework before posting, maybe?

[former9thward]

22. Is he an active Mormon?

Most of DU thought that is a smear given the posts about Romney and his religion.

[MADem]

26. Active enough that the Mormon leadership told him what was on Mitt Romney's tax returns, I suspect.

And that enabled him to make the charge that Mitt didn't pay any taxes, and play the "Put up or shut up" game with Mitt--that caused Mitt to back down, because he KNEW it was true. Harry helped POTUS win re-election, make no mistake.

What's this "most of DU" stuff?

Do Democrats and other progressives not believe in separation of church and state?

I don't give a shit if a person worships My Little Pony, so long as they don't drag their personal beliefs into the public square. I think most DUers have the same attitude.

I've never seen HR do that, put his personal religious views up front--which is why I think he's an extraordinarily effective Leader and Senator.

[former9thward]

31. You don't know what "most of DU" means?

During the 2012 there was thread after thread attacking and making fun of the Mormon religion on DU. "Magic underwear" and all the rest. I did not see any poster, you included, talk about separation of church and state or defending what people worship in those threads. Where is your link that the Mormon leadership told Reid about Romney's tax returns?

[MADem]

36. Those people weren't griping about private affiliations with religious groups--they were griping

about the way RMoney brought religion into the public square. No one gives Harry Reid any shit about his religious faith--why? Because he doesn't USE it as a moral cudgel.

Anyone who doesn't know about the whole Reid-Mormon-tax stuff was asleep at the wheel. That was a MAJOR turning point of the last election.

Good grief, sometimes I am amazed ... not in a good way, either. The people who post here are supposed to be more politically aware than the average individual.

Here, since this Big Story apparently managed to pass you by.....this was HEAVILY covered here at DU, as well as on every nightly news show for weeks on end--can't imagine how you might have missed it:

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0912/81632.html

Reid, a Mormon, said he agreed with Gregory A. Prince, a Mormon historian who wrote a blog post criticizing Romney in the wake of the Republican’s remarks disparaging the “47 percent.”
“He said that Romney has sullied the religion that he, Prince and Romney share,” Reid said on the conference call. “And he’s so disappointed that in his words, ‘It’s a good religion and he’s hiding from it.’”
Republicans took issue with Reid’s theological dabbling.
“Shame on them,” Rep. Jason Chaffetz (R-Utah) told the Tribune. “Harry Reid seems to be making this way too personal and consequently throwing the religion under the bus for his own personal gain. That’s not where anyone should be going with this. He’s taking this two steps too far.”
Earlier this year, Reid alleged Romney hadn’t paid any taxes for at least one year. According to a summary of Romney’s tax rates released by the nominee’s accountant, his lowest-ever tax rate was 13.66 percent.

it's quite obvious, looking through this thread with the "martini" and "glug glug" accusations, that most of the snipers know jack-shit-nada about Reid, who does not drink. This kind of stuff says more about the people making the comments than anything else.

[former9thward]

57. I am well aware of the tax controversy.

You conveniently ignore my request that you link to back up your claim that the Mormon church gave Reid the contents of Romney's tax returns. That would be illegal so I am interested to see where your claim comes from.

[MADem]

102. Who do you think Gregory Prince is?

He is a Latter Day Saint's Movement Historian--i.e. a Mormon Church Historian. He writes the history for the institution--to include a biography of the Church President.

Charitable records are not "secret" you know (or maybe you don't) --but you do have to know where to look.

But you want MORE? Here ya go: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-10-29/romney-avoids-taxes-via-loophole-cutting-mormon-donations.html

Romney Avoids Taxes via Loophole Cutting Mormon Donations

http://newsone.com/2074186/mitt-romney-tax-evasion/

OCTOBER SURPRISE: Mitt Romney Used Church Loophole To “Defer” Taxes Over 15 Years

Yeah, you were obviously so "well aware" that you had to play the "Your link isn't good enough" game to kick the can down the road. Whatever.

Keep digging that hole!

[former9thward]

137. Nothing there about your claim the Mormon church gave Reid Romney's tax returns.

Which would be illegal. So I would like to see proof, not just your claims. Talk about a hole ....

[MADem]

149. You can read the links, or not. And that hole is the one you're digging. nt

[TwilightGardener]

29. I don't drink, still manage to bang myself up sometimes.

Sometimes people are just klutzes, and it gets worse with age.

[MADem]

32. He's not a klutz--the EQUIPMENT broke. It's right there in the article. nt

[TwilightGardener]

35. Or that too. Shit happens.

[George II]

131. HARRY REID DOES NOT DRINK, NEVER HAS!!!!

[Jesus Malverde]

47. In any other context that sounds like someone who got a good beating.

Good luck to him.

[procon]

55. He's around my age.

I can sure relate to those unexpected injuries and tell you that old bones are slow to mend. I don't see how anyone of his age and with those injuries can realistically expect to return to work after just a couple of days of recovery.

Another article provides more details:

"Adam Jentleson, the senator's spokesman, told the Associated Press that the accident occurred when an elastic exercise band broke and hit the 75-year-old Reid in the face, causing him to fall. As the senator fell, Jentleson said, Reid struck part of the equipment and broke several bones near his right eye. Reid broke several ribs as he hit the floor."

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2015/01/02/harry-reid-accident-senate-democrat/21182151/

[mopinko]

84. i am 60. had several broken ribs this last year.

the pain, and the pain meds, had me on the mats.
and a broken face. omg.

i dont see how he will be back to work, i mean really back, for a month, minimum. likely 2.
i said, and still say, the same about senator kirk. when you are an elected official, and you cant do your job, and you know you will not be able to do your job for a long time, you really need to resign.
not saying these injuries are that. but really, some sort of expectation of fitness for your job is not a lot to ask.

[James48]

65. See? Exercise will kill you if you're not careful.

I gave up exercise a long time ago for that very reason....I don't want to die on a treadmill.

[mopinko]

83. i had a friend that slipped at the gym.

young strong man. ended up in a wheelchair.

[Jamastiene]

190. I like your reason.

I don't want to die on a treadmill or any other exercise equipment either.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

80. Beat me to it. I just saw this at the BBC....

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-30660346

[merrily]

81. Many stress osteoporosis in females, but it affects males as well. Beloved males, speak to your

respective doctors about a bone density test and/or the advisability of taking calcium and Vitamin D and magnesium, especially if you are older. (D and magnesium being, as I understand it, necessary for metabolizing calcium properly). But ask your docs, esp. if you are over 40 or 50.

The surgeon who saved my life can no longer operate because he slipped and fell on some ice in his driveway and shattered his elbow so badly that it could not be repaired well enough. That was how even this brilliant doc learned that he was suffering from osteoporosis.

[KinMd]

93. This will be a laugh riot over at Fox

[d_legendary1]

101. Seems like he and Bono have something in common

when it comes to exercise.

[hughee99]

120. Well, at least there was no danger of him breaking his spine.

Regardless of politics, I hope for a quick and complete recovery.

[ffr]

134. To your speedy recovery Senator Reid! Thank you for your service.

[Calista241]

135. The pretzel bandit strikes again!

[DeSwiss]

157. Well at least he's still alive.

- Can you imagine having your obituary end with: ''Died from movement.''

K&R

[jdenver_2624]

159. Oh no, this is awful news.

Thank god though that he'll get better soon. Reid is probably one of the best politicians we've had in recent years, doing everything to promote the liberal cause.

[LeftishBrit]

175. Ouch. Hope he's better soon!

A bit sadly ironic that doing the healthy thing, and exercising, resulted in a freak accident; but glad to hear that he's improving!

[shenmue]

176. Oh noes! Le ouch

[librechik]

184. turned on the fan? n/t

[Jamastiene]

189. I am pretty sure he is doing it wrong.

I know they say, "No pain. No gain." but I'm pretty sure you aren't supposed to break your bones when exercising.