Death penalty states unmoved by botched execution
Source: AP
McALESTER, Okla. (AP) Oklahoma's last execution went so badly that the state tried to cancel it before it was over. With the inmate writhing while the lethal drugs seeped into his body, his executioners drew the viewing gallery curtains, concealing what the warden later described as "a bloody mess."
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Although Gov. Mary Fallin suspended further executions so that Lockett's death and Oklahoma's methods could be reviewed, the state held what amounted to a ribbon-cutting ceremony for its overhauled death chamber only months later and is scheduled to resume killing inmates in mid-January. And rather than causing states to question whether capital punishment is just or worth the risk of subjecting someone to a potentially agonizing death, the prolonged executions and problems states have had securing lethal injection drugs have led them to explore new, old and more efficient ways of killing, including gassing inmates.
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Lockett's execution did little or nothing to dampen support for the death penalty in deeply conservative Oklahoma, which has killed more inmates than any other state except Texas since the 1976 reinstatement of the death penalty. In October, officials gave media tours of the renovated execution unit at the Oklahoma State Penitentiary, which got a $104,000 overhaul after Lockett's death and now stands in sharp contrast to the rest of the shabby, 106-year-old facility.
Not content with just the upgrades to the prison and lethal injection equipment, though, Oklahoma's Republican-led House conducted a study on the use of nitrogen gas to execute inmates and is expected to consider legislation early next year that would make Oklahoma the first state to adopt hypoxia by gas the forced deprivation of oxygen as a legal execution method.
Read more: http://news.yahoo.com/death-penalty-states-unmoved-botched-execution-151537248.html
It is sickening that they would consider using nitrogen gas to kill someone. Conservative states are still big on the death penalty and now moving into uncharted territory. The article mentioned that Utah approved brining back the firing squad.
mountain grammy
(26,626 posts)a bright shiny new execution chamber next to the dilapidated old prison. Some of the worst conditions in the world in Oklahoma's prisons.
http://newsok.com/oklahomas-county-jails-face-myriad-problems-reports-show/article/3880461
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2013/05/10-worst-prisons-america-part-1-adx
davidpdx
(22,000 posts)It's primarily the conservative states that are still back in the "stone age" executing people.
blackspade
(10,056 posts)what a bunch of sick fucks.
PSPS
(13,603 posts)It baffles me why the two most defining characteristics of american society today are sadism and victimhood.
blkmusclmachine
(16,149 posts)RKP5637
(67,111 posts)into office ... or maybe many are just like them, so pathetic.
eggplant
(3,911 posts)It's about as humane as you can get. Right to die groups even endorse it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_bag
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)eggplant
(3,911 posts)The *entirety* of my comment was that nitrogen is a humane way to end a life.
But thank you for attempting to paint me as pro-death penalty, lame as it was.
mountain grammy
(26,626 posts)as in "what's wrong with nitrogen (being used for capital punishment?) when the issue clearly is what's wrong with capital punishment? I read your post as advocacy for the use of nitrogen in capital punishment and I f ind that far more offensive than any response.
melm00se
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joshcryer
(62,276 posts)Or the poster who asked it.
HERVEPA
(6,107 posts)One can think one way of execution is more humane than another without thinking that capital punishment is acceptable in any case.
The jury totally screwed up that one.
You attacked without any provocation.
PumpkinAle
(1,210 posts)everything.
eggplant
(3,911 posts)I see no value in the state killing people.
HERVEPA
(6,107 posts)joshcryer
(62,276 posts)In the olden times it was the guy with the axe. The person pulling the hangmans noose, etc.
Nitrogen would take that away from them. You don't have to be good at wielding an axe, or a needle, as it were. You just put a bag over the head or even a transparent hood.
Granted, someone would still have to turn on the gas, but the ritualistic murder aspect of it would be somehow lost. It's too easy.
At least, that's my take.
And no, I didn't think you intended anything awful with your question, and it is shameful you were insulted by implication for a position you don't even hold.
eggplant
(3,911 posts)For a while there, I thought I was the only one baffled by "It is sickening that they would consider using nitrogen gas to kill someone" in the OP.
Nitrogen has the unfortunate side effect of taking away many of the superficial arguments that anti death penalty people make; namely, that the states use agonizing, amateur, and often unsuccessful ways to take a life. By introducing a humane agent (nitrogen), it forces the debate to be one of morality, which is much harder to argue.
And before people mistakenly jump all over me *again*, yes I do OPPOSE the death penalty, in ALL cases. It sucks that I even have to say this.
eggplant
(3,911 posts)joshcryer
(62,276 posts)The cost effective arguments, the torture arguments, those are all well and good. But when you get down to it, it's about the state murdering people. Make it super easy, get rid of all the complications, strap people to a table, put a hood over them (not necessarily like a bag, but like a ventilation hood), gas 'em. They gently fall asleep, no convulsing, no rapid breathing, they just sleep and stop breathing after a bit.
As far as that DIY article, nice, I've always wondered what it would take to build your own nitrogen generator. Not for the purposes we've discussed here, of course, but to play with it, freeze stuff, break it, etc.
davidpdx
(22,000 posts)You know those are the same states that have lower minimum wages then the rest of the country.
joshcryer
(62,276 posts)Which is one reason we've had some botched procedures.
davidpdx
(22,000 posts)First, I'd have no idea what I'd be doing. Second, I'm afraid of needles.
Hiring cheap unqualified people for executions should be considered cruel and unusual punishment (and malpractice).
Posteritatis
(18,807 posts)We've been hearing more of these botched executions and they seem to be strengthening the resolve of the more enthusiastic death penalty advocates, who often come across as though they're glad the process has gotten nastier.
The whole dispute over execution in the first place is one issue; the fact that a lot of the people in the debate aren't even trying to talk about justice and are instead jumping straight to wrath as their perspective of choice is another on top of that.
Judi Lynn
(160,554 posts)For primitive people to be in charge of our biggest decisions is not appropriate. We can't afford to have idiots in control over people's life and death matters.
When DOES this change?
More non-idiots must start voting for good people to represent them at all levels of the government.
PumpkinAle
(1,210 posts)Murdering a murder just makes you a murderer.
Hoppy
(3,595 posts)If it wasn't for the death penalty, there couldn't have been Christianity.
jmowreader
(50,560 posts)Christianity just wouldn't be the same if Jesus had lived to 200 and left behind a wife and four kids.
rpannier
(24,330 posts)Nor do all people who aren't Christian oppose it
The Catholic Church has been vocal opponent of the death penalty. I think the Quakers are.
Jay Sekulow chief council for the American Center for Law & Justice (a regular on the 700 club) opposes it.
Some others who/that oppose include:
Richard A Viguerie
Jonathan Merritt
Shane Claiborne
Marc Hyden
Drew Johnson
Every Catholic Cardinal, Arch-bishop and Bishop in the USA is on record as opposing it
Presbyterian General Assembly
Unitarian Universalists
The General Board of Church & Society of The United Methodist Church is opposed
Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)And I'm pretty sure the Pope opposes the death penalty.
Hubert Flottz
(37,726 posts)even in our own country.
winstars
(4,220 posts)jmowreader
(50,560 posts)That's what the gas chamber is.
Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)In 2014, they are figuring out the best way to kill criminals with poison gas? Why can't the United States join most of the rest of the civilized world on this issue?
eggplant
(3,911 posts)And then where would we be?
(Is a sarcasm tag really necessary?)
DavidDvorkin
(19,480 posts)MillennialDem
(2,367 posts)Odin2005
(53,521 posts)They are sickos.
JonLP24
(29,322 posts)Don't know what it is and the corruption isn't unexpected, they don't expect anything less. I can see they don't care about problems Republican & Democrat politicians obsess over but there is some troubling shit going on.
I imagine the media plays a role meanwhile there are Frontline documentaries that make my blood boil but don't excite interest on the 24-hour channels, losing sight of the real problems. Or they figure it is one the news it is bullshit anyway.
Partisanship? I'm amazed at the Republicans obsession with birth certificates & other fake controversies when the most troubling aspects are easy to prove but ignored (but understandable regarding their love (& silence) of the most corrupt administration since the 70's -- but "liberal media" was an easy scapegoat).
The world feels like a dark comedy sometimes with Utah bringing back firing squads as the punchline to this one.
Vinca
(50,282 posts)PeteSelman
(1,508 posts)There are so many more efficient ways to execute these heinous murderers than coming up with an iffy chemical compound or gassing them.
The way they kill cows for consumption is much more humane. Instant and painless.
It's not rocket science.
davidpdx
(22,000 posts)I think it is not a matter of efficiency, but trying to fly under the radar to keep the public in the dark.