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Hissyspit

(45,788 posts)
Tue Dec 23, 2014, 11:08 PM Dec 2014

Former President George H.W. Bush taken to Houston hospital with shortness of breath

Source: Houston Chronicle

@BreakingNews: Former President George H.W. Bush taken to Houston hospital with shortness of breath, officials say - @HoustonChron http://t.co/5JKxBX0jYs/s/yIox

George H.W. Bush rushed to the hospital

Houston Chronicle | December 23, 2014

Former President George H.W. Bush was taken by ambulance to the Methodist Hospital in Houston after experiencing a shortness of breath earlier Tuesday evening, according to a statement from his office.

Read more: http://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/article/George-H-W-Bush-rushed-to-the-hospital-5976735.php

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Former President George H.W. Bush taken to Houston hospital with shortness of breath (Original Post) Hissyspit Dec 2014 OP
I am not leaping into this one yet. lonestarnot Dec 2014 #1
I hope he recovers for his war crimes trial Demeter Dec 2014 #2
This is his dad - TBF Dec 2014 #3
I wouldn't be surprised if Politicalboi Dec 2014 #6
I would be really surprised if he wasn't still running the show for Jr. thru Cheney. easychoice Dec 2014 #15
Reagan was his own man until he got shot Reter Dec 2014 #46
iran-iraq war, anyone? just for starters. former head of cia? etc., etc. niyad Dec 2014 #7
Right. But since his retirement from politics, DuckBurp Dec 2014 #33
bush sr could be tried for war crimes too. NewDeal_Dem Dec 2014 #39
Well I can't disagree with that TBF Dec 2014 #44
There's a nice little Turbineguy Dec 2014 #53
This has taken over my news feed. n/t inanna Dec 2014 #4
I hope he survives long enough to see his son go to prison. nm rhett o rick Dec 2014 #5
YES! Politicalboi Dec 2014 #8
was just thinking that very thing. thank you. niyad Dec 2014 #9
... Mira Dec 2014 #11
Just remember who you are talking about! project_bluebook Dec 2014 #14
Knowing dad, he'd try to BUY the prison. Spitfire of ATJ Dec 2014 #20
He's a tough old bird. I expect he'll be around to see Jeb's ass kicked in 2016 Bucky Dec 2014 #78
It will be interesting to see if the Bush Crime Family still has the power. I think the Koch rhett o rick Dec 2014 #84
They look out for themselves by looking out for each other Bucky Dec 2014 #85
I hope he is comfortable and has a comfortable Christmas! hrmjustin Dec 2014 #10
Ok so what happened he troubling his old "beautiful mind" and now he can't breath? lonestarnot Dec 2014 #12
Glad to see he is supporting the protesters. dixiegrrrrl Dec 2014 #24
I hope he recovers and is home in time for Christmas with his family. GGJohn Dec 2014 #13
And his father served Herr's country honorably just before WWII TexasTowelie Dec 2014 #16
We're not talking about Prescott Bush are we? GGJohn Dec 2014 #19
We are taking about George H.W Bush, but the fruit didn't fall far from the tree. olddad56 Dec 2014 #32
Then go start your own thread about the dastardly deeds of Prescott and grandfather, GGJohn Dec 2014 #34
He may have served "honorably," but... RoccoR5955 Dec 2014 #22
So what if he lied to get into the Navy, GGJohn Dec 2014 #26
Lying is not a good thing for someone who would be the president RoccoR5955 Dec 2014 #27
Every politician lies in office. GGJohn Dec 2014 #28
That's your opinion RoccoR5955 Dec 2014 #41
That's not an opinion, GGJohn Dec 2014 #48
Fact... OK Mr. Britannica. n/t RoccoR5955 Dec 2014 #99
Audie Murphy, Medal of Honor winner, lied about his age to get into the Army, WWII n/t sarge43 Dec 2014 #47
I was going to name Audie Murphy, but I wasn't sure. GGJohn Dec 2014 #49
Lying to get into the service is at the top of the BFD list. sarge43 Dec 2014 #54
I wouldv'e had nothing but contempt for him if he's lied to get out GGJohn Dec 2014 #36
did he?? there was some scuttlebutt about why he was the only one who got out of his NewDeal_Dem Dec 2014 #40
And that scuttlebutt was bullshit, GGJohn Dec 2014 #50
and you know that for a fact how exactly? you served with him? NewDeal_Dem Dec 2014 #55
And you know he didn't? GGJohn Dec 2014 #56
i didn't say i knew anything except as rumor had it. but his record speaks for itself. NewDeal_Dem Dec 2014 #57
Funny thing about that in wartime, some people live, some people die. GGJohn Dec 2014 #59
Yes, somehow the honorable pilot got out & all others died. NewDeal_Dem Dec 2014 #64
Well, when I was shot down in Vietnam, GGJohn Dec 2014 #65
lots of conversation about it on the old DU. lots of digging. grasswire Dec 2014 #67
I'm not going to second guess the man who was at the controls of the aircraft GGJohn Dec 2014 #68
I get your perspective, really. grasswire Dec 2014 #69
Thank you and Happy Holidays to you and your family. GGJohn Dec 2014 #72
2 of the 3 crew got out and one had a parachute mishap. EX500rider Dec 2014 #70
No, Bush and another guy got out -- Bush was the pilot, the other guy was part of the NewDeal_Dem Dec 2014 #76
Actually the rest of the squadron would know if he finished his bombing run.. EX500rider Dec 2014 #77
And at least one disputes Bush's story. NewDeal_Dem Dec 2014 #82
One person disputed the account? GGJohn Dec 2014 #86
"At least". Get a grip. That one person happens to be the person with the best view. NewDeal_Dem Dec 2014 #88
Not according to the rest of the squadron, GGJohn Dec 2014 #89
Yes, according to other squadron members, the guy who disputed Bush's account had NewDeal_Dem Dec 2014 #90
Maybe you better re-read what you bolded. GGJohn Dec 2014 #91
Maybe you better reread. Who are they disagreeing with? NewDeal_Dem Dec 2014 #93
They're disagreeing with the "eyewitness" that he had the best view. GGJohn Dec 2014 #94
Show me the passage that leads you to believe that. NewDeal_Dem Dec 2014 #95
Ok. GGJohn Dec 2014 #96
So tell me again how many other squadron members disputed Bush Sr.'s account? GGJohn Dec 2014 #92
The pilot in a Grumman Avenger is in his own compartment and.. EX500rider Dec 2014 #71
Except maybe to tell them to bail??? NewDeal_Dem Dec 2014 #74
Since one of them did bail out I assume he did, why wouldn't he? EX500rider Dec 2014 #75
Except Bush is the only one who claims to have seen him bail. NewDeal_Dem Dec 2014 #83
You're really nit picking here. GGJohn Dec 2014 #87
Thanks. There is his valiant and dangerous service to his country. Bucky Dec 2014 #79
Thank you. 840high Dec 2014 #81
Hmm. Iggo Dec 2014 #17
So *that's* what SOB stands for. n/t eggplant Dec 2014 #18
As a former state employee TexasTowelie Dec 2014 #30
It's saddening how many people are so ghoulish, no less during the holidays. branford Dec 2014 #21
Yeah that caught me by surprise. hrmjustin Dec 2014 #23
I think I can explain Marrah_G Dec 2014 #38
+100 NewDeal_Dem Dec 2014 #58
I'm not going to comment on this one davidpdx Dec 2014 #35
Are we supposed to feel bad about this? nt valerief Dec 2014 #25
Well, he's 90 years old! I'm not surprised if he has some health problems. nt antigop Dec 2014 #29
I blame Obamacare for this Bucky Dec 2014 #80
hope he recovers Niceguy1 Dec 2014 #31
I can only quote his own words. grasswire Dec 2014 #37
Seems like a fake quote oberliner Dec 2014 #43
from her interview with him in 1992, regarding Iran Contra grasswire Dec 2014 #61
Is there a link to the full interview? oberliner Dec 2014 #63
He never disputed it. grasswire Dec 2014 #66
So there's no link? oberliner Dec 2014 #98
Not to defend him TBF Dec 2014 #45
bump..nt Jesus Malverde Dec 2014 #42
The mayor of Berkley, Theodore Hoskins, a black man, seems to think this is a legit police shooting. Calista241 Dec 2014 #51
Methinks you replied to the wrong thread. (nt) jeff47 Dec 2014 #60
Merry Christmas 41 Sunlei Dec 2014 #52
I hope he lives long enough RussBLib Dec 2014 #62
Meh. blkmusclmachine Dec 2014 #73
Bad sperm isn't his fault. truthisfreedom Dec 2014 #97

TBF

(32,068 posts)
3. This is his dad -
Tue Dec 23, 2014, 11:18 PM
Dec 2014

the 90 yr old Bush Sr. - he lives in Houston at least in the winter.

He's had some health issues on & off.

 

Politicalboi

(15,189 posts)
6. I wouldn't be surprised if
Tue Dec 23, 2014, 11:28 PM
Dec 2014

Poppy had a hand in Jrs. assministration. I actually think he ran the show for Reagan too. Just like I find it too convenient Poppy knew the Hinkley's and was going to their place for dinner when Ronnie got shot. Hell, I want to see him proven a liar when he said he didn't know where he was on Nov 22nd 1963.

easychoice

(1,043 posts)
15. I would be really surprised if he wasn't still running the show for Jr. thru Cheney.
Wed Dec 24, 2014, 12:23 AM
Dec 2014

and he set reagan up too.Bay of Pigs and Kennedy...Too bad we can't depose that disgusting pig before he dirt naps it. The Scumbag...

 

Reter

(2,188 posts)
46. Reagan was his own man until he got shot
Wed Dec 24, 2014, 10:45 AM
Dec 2014

After that, he was never the same. He took the blame for Iran-Contra, but everyone knows it was Poppy's idea.

DuckBurp

(302 posts)
33. Right. But since his retirement from politics,
Wed Dec 24, 2014, 01:58 AM
Dec 2014

his involvement in the Carlisle Group qualifies him as an arms dealer in the eyes of many people.

TBF

(32,068 posts)
44. Well I can't disagree with that
Wed Dec 24, 2014, 09:51 AM
Dec 2014

he is quite popular down here in Houston. Which is interesting because people just shake their heads if you bring up Jr. So, he was just smarter about how he got things done.

FWIW, I still think the Bush family had something to do (if not a lot to do) with the Kennedy assassination.

Turbineguy

(37,346 posts)
53. There's a nice little
Wed Dec 24, 2014, 11:44 AM
Dec 2014

shrine to him at the airport. I've people visiting it, teary eyed, infused with the spirit.

Bucky

(54,027 posts)
78. He's a tough old bird. I expect he'll be around to see Jeb's ass kicked in 2016
Wed Dec 24, 2014, 08:43 PM
Dec 2014

probably by Ted Cruz. The monster always eats its Frankenstein.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
84. It will be interesting to see if the Bush Crime Family still has the power. I think the Koch
Wed Dec 24, 2014, 09:17 PM
Dec 2014

Crime Family is trying to take control.

Bucky

(54,027 posts)
85. They look out for themselves by looking out for each other
Wed Dec 24, 2014, 09:45 PM
Dec 2014

That is why it's called CLASS warfare. Dubya could've robbed a candybank for orphans, throwing puppies at the bank guards and kicking over the ficus on his way out the door, and he still wouldn't ever stand trial for his crimes. That is what power looks like, regardless of whether it's Koch flavored or Bush flavored.

GGJohn

(9,951 posts)
13. I hope he recovers and is home in time for Christmas with his family.
Tue Dec 23, 2014, 11:50 PM
Dec 2014

And no, I won't disparage him, he served his country honorably in WWII and I commend him for that.

olddad56

(5,732 posts)
32. We are taking about George H.W Bush, but the fruit didn't fall far from the tree.
Wed Dec 24, 2014, 01:51 AM
Dec 2014

His father Prescott and grandfather George Herbert Walker were traitors also. The Bush crime family goes way back.

GGJohn

(9,951 posts)
34. Then go start your own thread about the dastardly deeds of Prescott and grandfather,
Wed Dec 24, 2014, 02:00 AM
Dec 2014

right now we're talking about GHWB and his shortness of breath.

 

RoccoR5955

(12,471 posts)
22. He may have served "honorably," but...
Wed Dec 24, 2014, 01:15 AM
Dec 2014

He lied to get into the navy. While he was at it Prescott Bush was funding the Germans!
That family has NO honor!

GGJohn

(9,951 posts)
26. So what if he lied to get into the Navy,
Wed Dec 24, 2014, 01:21 AM
Dec 2014

that happened quite often in WWII, nothing unusual there, and we're not talking about Prescott here.

 

RoccoR5955

(12,471 posts)
27. Lying is not a good thing for someone who would be the president
Wed Dec 24, 2014, 01:31 AM
Dec 2014

How would we know that he is not lying when he is in office?

GGJohn

(9,951 posts)
28. Every politician lies in office.
Wed Dec 24, 2014, 01:38 AM
Dec 2014

Know how to tell a politician is lying? Their lips are moving.

I don't fault Bush Sr. for lying to get into the fight, hundreds, if not thousands of Americans lied to be able to fight for their country.

GGJohn

(9,951 posts)
48. That's not an opinion,
Wed Dec 24, 2014, 11:13 AM
Dec 2014

it's a fact, and who cares if he was a lousy president, this is about Bush Sr. being taken to the hospital with shortness of breath.

sarge43

(28,941 posts)
54. Lying to get into the service is at the top of the BFD list.
Wed Dec 24, 2014, 11:49 AM
Dec 2014

Both as a Personnel puke and recruit wrangler, I inprocessed more than a few fibbers.

I'm sure the men in Murphy's unit were damn glad he lied.

GGJohn

(9,951 posts)
36. I wouldv'e had nothing but contempt for him if he's lied to get out
Wed Dec 24, 2014, 02:04 AM
Dec 2014

of military service, but he did the opposite to get into the fight and all accounts says he was a good and brave pilot.

 

NewDeal_Dem

(1,049 posts)
40. did he?? there was some scuttlebutt about why he was the only one who got out of his
Wed Dec 24, 2014, 04:00 AM
Dec 2014

downed plane, for example...

I don't believe bush sr served honorably anywhere.

he's gotten more than he deserved throughout his life.

 

NewDeal_Dem

(1,049 posts)
57. i didn't say i knew anything except as rumor had it. but his record speaks for itself.
Wed Dec 24, 2014, 12:19 PM
Dec 2014

3 men died, bush lived, and bush has run scams risking other people's lives all his life.

GGJohn

(9,951 posts)
59. Funny thing about that in wartime, some people live, some people die.
Wed Dec 24, 2014, 12:23 PM
Dec 2014

And I speak from experience on this matter.

GGJohn

(9,951 posts)
65. Well, when I was shot down in Vietnam,
Wed Dec 24, 2014, 01:42 PM
Dec 2014

I lived and my gunner died.
Bad shit happens in wartime.
Many B-25 bombers were shot down over Germany, some crewmembers lived, some died, that's the way of warfare.

GGJohn

(9,951 posts)
68. I'm not going to second guess the man who was at the controls of the aircraft
Wed Dec 24, 2014, 01:57 PM
Dec 2014

at the time it was hit by AA fire, that's like someone saying that I abandoned my gunner when my chopper took AA fire and went down and I was able to get out but my gunner wasn't.
Sorry, but I won't criticize a WWII veteran, what I will criticize is what he did as CIA director and President.

As I said, bad shit happens in wartime.

grasswire

(50,130 posts)
69. I get your perspective, really.
Wed Dec 24, 2014, 02:20 PM
Dec 2014

But "won't criticize" is not the same as *will criticize those others who ask questions about his service*.

I sincerely thank you for your service.

EX500rider

(10,849 posts)
70. 2 of the 3 crew got out and one had a parachute mishap.
Wed Dec 24, 2014, 02:49 PM
Dec 2014

Hard to blame that on him.

After Bush's promotion to Lieutenant (junior grade) on August 1, 1944, the San Jacinto commenced operations against the Japanese in the Bonin Islands. Bush piloted one of four Grumman TBM Avenger aircraft from VT-51 that attacked the Japanese installations on Chichijima. His crew for the mission, which occurred on September 2, 1944, included Radioman Second Class John Delaney and Lieutenant Junior Grade William White. During their attack, the Avengers encountered intense anti-aircraft fire; Bush's aircraft was hit by flak and his engine caught on fire. Despite his plane being on fire, Bush completed his attack and released bombs over his target, scoring several damaging hits. With his engine ablaze, Bush flew several miles from the island, where he and one other crew member on the TBM Avenger bailed out of the aircraft; the other man's parachute did not open. Bush waited for four hours in an inflated raft, while several fighters circled protectively overhead until he was rescued by the lifeguard submarine USS Finback. For the next month he remained on the Finback, and participated in the rescue of other pilots. Several of those shot down during the attack were executed and eaten by their captors. .

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_H._W._Bush#World_War_II

 

NewDeal_Dem

(1,049 posts)
76. No, Bush and another guy got out -- Bush was the pilot, the other guy was part of the
Wed Dec 24, 2014, 08:27 PM
Dec 2014

crew.

The other guy died, and the only person who really knows what happened is Bush, down to the part about how fucking heroically he completed his attack with his plane on fire.

Fuck Bush Sr.

EX500rider

(10,849 posts)
77. Actually the rest of the squadron would know if he finished his bombing run..
Wed Dec 24, 2014, 08:31 PM
Dec 2014

...or cut out early. Though with the plane on fire, I wouldn't hold it against it if he did abort the run.

 

NewDeal_Dem

(1,049 posts)
82. And at least one disputes Bush's story.
Wed Dec 24, 2014, 08:57 PM
Dec 2014

Gunner in Squadron Disputes Bush on Downing of Bomber

By The Associated Press
Published: August 13, 1988

The former airman, Chester Mierzejewski of Cheshire, Conn., said that the plane was not engulfed in flames, as the Vice President has recounted, and that Mr. Bush might have saved the lives of two other men on the plane had he tried a water landing.

In his autobiography, Mr. Bush wrote that his Grumman Avenger torpedo bomber was hit Sept. 2, 1944, in an attack on a Japanese radio installation in the western Pacific's Bonin Islands. Puff of Smoke Recalled

''Smoke poured into the cockpit, and I could see flames rippling across the crease of the wing, edging toward the fuel tanks,'' Mr. Bush wrote. He said he finished dropping the bombs and then, losing control of his plane, ejected over the ocean after radioing his gunner and radioman to jump. He said he got no response and presumed that the men were dead. Mr. Bush's decorations in the war included the Distinguished Flying Cross.

Mr. Mierzejewski, who was the rear turret gunner on the squadron commander's plane, said he was about 100 feet ahead of Mr. Bush's aircraft and saw only a brief puff of smoke. ''No smoke came out of his cockpit when he opened his canopy to bail out,'' Mr. Mierzejewski said.

A report signed by the squadron commander and an intelligence officer on the loss of the plane says ''smoke and flame'' engulfed the engine, according to The Post. The Post said other squadron members disagreed about whether Mr. Mierzejewski would have had the best line of sight on the Bush plane.

Steve Hart, Mr. Bush's press secretary, told the Post on Thursday that any suggestion that Mr. Bush's account was inaccurate was ''absurd.'' CONSISTENCY CITED

At the Mierzejewski home, a man who answered a telephone call and identified himself as Mr. Mierzejewski's son, Mark, told The New York Times that his father was exhausted from answering reporters' calls and could not come to the telephone. He said that the account given to The Post was consistent with what Mr. Mierzejewski had said for years and that he had given his own version publicly only ''when he heard other accounts he said were off base.''

http://www.nytimes.com/1988/08/13/us/gunner-in-squadron-disputes-bush-on-downing-of-bomber.html


Specifically, Mierzejewski said Bush's plane "was never on fire" and that only Bush bailed out of the plane.

However, Mierzejewski said in his account, which first appeared in Friday's New York Post, that "no smoke came out of his cockpit when he opened his canopy to bail out."

Mierzejewski contended that if Bush had attempted a water landing, the two men could have been saved, if they were still alive.

He also took issue with Bush's saying that he was "lucky" that he was rescued by the submarine, the Finback, that happened to be in the area. Mierzejewski noted that his own pilot radioed the submarine with Bush's location and then repeatedly circled Bush, indicating that help was on the way.

The Navy confirmed that Mierzejewski served in the Navy and that he was awarded a Distinguished Flying Cross on Oct. 25, 1944, in the area of the Philippines. Bush won that decoration for his action in the Sept. 2 incident.

http://articles.latimes.com/1988-08-13/news/mn-194_1_bush-spokesman

GGJohn

(9,951 posts)
86. One person disputed the account?
Wed Dec 24, 2014, 10:04 PM
Dec 2014

How many others in that flight disputed the account? Seems the rest of the flight disagrees with him but you want to believe him because it fits your agenda.
Attempted a water landing? Is he fucking nuts? Very few water landings end up well.

GGJohn

(9,951 posts)
89. Not according to the rest of the squadron,
Wed Dec 24, 2014, 10:20 PM
Dec 2014

you bolded that yourself.
Again, how many others in that flight disputed Bush Sr's account?
Sounds like this guy had an axe to grind with Bush Sr.

 

NewDeal_Dem

(1,049 posts)
90. Yes, according to other squadron members, the guy who disputed Bush's account had
Wed Dec 24, 2014, 10:26 PM
Dec 2014

the best view. My bolding the words on the page doesn't change what they say. You can't really be that obtuse.

What evidence can you present that this guy had an ax to grind with Bush, other than disputing Bush;s testimony that his plane was engulfed in flames and he was forced to leave the plane.

As for the water landing, Bush had done it at least once before, under bad circumstances, so apparently it wasn't as difficult as you claim.

Here. I'm going to bold this too, so watch out, it's tricky stuff:

San Jacinto was part of Task Force 58 that participated in operations against Marcus and Wake Islands in May, and then in the Marianas during June. On 19 June, the task force triumphed in one of the largest air battles of the war. During the return of his aircraft from the mission, Ensign Bush's aircraft made a forced water landing. The destroyer, USS Clarence K. Bronson, rescued the crew, but the plane was lost. On 25 July, Ensign Bush and another pilot received credit for sinking a small cargo ship.

http://www.history.navy.mil/faqs/faq10-1.htm


He finished his dive, dropped his four 500-pound bombs successfully on target and headed out to sea. He could have tried to make a water landing, something he had done once already when another Avenger he was flying lost power. That day, he and his crew got out of the plane and into the life raft before the plane sank. But this time, the burning Avenger could blow up before they got to the water.

- See more at: http://www.historynet.com/george-hw-bush#sthash.1tgY38KF.dpuf

GGJohn

(9,951 posts)
91. Maybe you better re-read what you bolded.
Wed Dec 24, 2014, 10:30 PM
Dec 2014
A report signed by the squadron commander and an intelligence officer on the loss of the plane says ''smoke and flame'' engulfed the engine, according to The Post. The Post said other squadron members disagreed about whether Mr. Mierzejewski would have had the best line of sight on the Bush plane
.

GGJohn

(9,951 posts)
96. Ok.
Thu Dec 25, 2014, 02:27 AM
Dec 2014
The Post said other squadron members disagreed about whether Mr. Mierzejewski would have had the best line of sight on the Bush plane.

GGJohn

(9,951 posts)
92. So tell me again how many other squadron members disputed Bush Sr.'s account?
Wed Dec 24, 2014, 10:33 PM
Dec 2014

Were you ever a pilot? Ever flown in combat? Ever been in an aircraft that's took ground fire? Ever been in an aircraft that's gone down?

EX500rider

(10,849 posts)
71. The pilot in a Grumman Avenger is in his own compartment and..
Wed Dec 24, 2014, 03:04 PM
Dec 2014

....has no way to help wounded or unconscious crew bail out.

EX500rider

(10,849 posts)
75. Since one of them did bail out I assume he did, why wouldn't he?
Wed Dec 24, 2014, 08:25 PM
Dec 2014

Other crew member most likely dead or wounded from the AAA fire.

GGJohn

(9,951 posts)
87. You're really nit picking here.
Wed Dec 24, 2014, 10:08 PM
Dec 2014

I've no doubt that he ordered the crew members to bail out of the stricken aircraft, aircraft crews are pretty tight and would do whatever to save each other and unless you have info otherwise from a credible source, not just one person who is disputed by the rest of the flight, I'll believe that he did every thing possible to save his crew that day.

Bucky

(54,027 posts)
79. Thanks. There is his valiant and dangerous service to his country.
Wed Dec 24, 2014, 08:46 PM
Dec 2014

He's not been all bad. He's one of the few Texas Congressmen to supporting the Housing Rights Act of 1964. That took balls.

 

branford

(4,462 posts)
21. It's saddening how many people are so ghoulish, no less during the holidays.
Wed Dec 24, 2014, 01:10 AM
Dec 2014

I do not wish anyone ill, even my political opponents.

I hope he swiftly recovers and enjoys the holidays with his family.

Marrah_G

(28,581 posts)
38. I think I can explain
Wed Dec 24, 2014, 02:43 AM
Dec 2014

People are reacting to a person and a family who have gained wealth an power through the destruction of other people's lives. The number of people dead from their actions will never be completely known but it is a number larger then most of us can wrap our heads around. It's hard to feel badly for people when they have lived very destructive lives at the expense of others.

davidpdx

(22,000 posts)
35. I'm not going to comment on this one
Wed Dec 24, 2014, 02:03 AM
Dec 2014

But when Scalia kicks the bucket it is going to be really really hard for me to contain myself.

grasswire

(50,130 posts)
37. I can only quote his own words.
Wed Dec 24, 2014, 02:13 AM
Dec 2014

"If the American people knew what we have done, they would chase us down the street and hang us."

To reporter Sarah McClendon.

grasswire

(50,130 posts)
61. from her interview with him in 1992, regarding Iran Contra
Wed Dec 24, 2014, 12:57 PM
Dec 2014

Sarah McClendon: "What will the people do if they ever find out the truth about Iraq-gate and Iran contra?

George H.W. Bush: "Sarah, if the American people ever find out what we have done, they will chase us down the streets and lynch us."

as reported in her newsletter of June 1992.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
63. Is there a link to the full interview?
Wed Dec 24, 2014, 01:39 PM
Dec 2014

To the newsletter?

Find it very hard to believe that he would have said this verbatim on the record to a reporter.

TBF

(32,068 posts)
45. Not to defend him
Wed Dec 24, 2014, 09:54 AM
Dec 2014

because who knows what all that family has done ... but I think you could say that about most presidents (politicians) when it comes down to it. We probably don't even hear half of what goes on behind the scenes, although with modern technology it may be getting a little better.

Calista241

(5,586 posts)
51. The mayor of Berkley, Theodore Hoskins, a black man, seems to think this is a legit police shooting.
Wed Dec 24, 2014, 11:38 AM
Dec 2014

at least that's what he's saying at his press conference. and he says he's seen the complete videos.

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