Former President George H.W. Bush taken to Houston hospital with shortness of breath
Source: Houston Chronicle
@BreakingNews: Former President George H.W. Bush taken to Houston hospital with shortness of breath, officials say - @HoustonChron http://t.co/5JKxBX0jYs/s/yIox
George H.W. Bush rushed to the hospital
Houston Chronicle | December 23, 2014
Former President George H.W. Bush was taken by ambulance to the Methodist Hospital in Houston after experiencing a shortness of breath earlier Tuesday evening, according to a statement from his office.
Read more: http://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/article/George-H-W-Bush-rushed-to-the-hospital-5976735.php
lonestarnot
(77,097 posts)Demeter
(85,373 posts)wouldn't want to miss that....
TBF
(32,068 posts)the 90 yr old Bush Sr. - he lives in Houston at least in the winter.
He's had some health issues on & off.
Politicalboi
(15,189 posts)Poppy had a hand in Jrs. assministration. I actually think he ran the show for Reagan too. Just like I find it too convenient Poppy knew the Hinkley's and was going to their place for dinner when Ronnie got shot. Hell, I want to see him proven a liar when he said he didn't know where he was on Nov 22nd 1963.
easychoice
(1,043 posts)and he set reagan up too.Bay of Pigs and Kennedy...Too bad we can't depose that disgusting pig before he dirt naps it. The Scumbag...
Reter
(2,188 posts)After that, he was never the same. He took the blame for Iran-Contra, but everyone knows it was Poppy's idea.
niyad
(113,370 posts)DuckBurp
(302 posts)his involvement in the Carlisle Group qualifies him as an arms dealer in the eyes of many people.
NewDeal_Dem
(1,049 posts)TBF
(32,068 posts)he is quite popular down here in Houston. Which is interesting because people just shake their heads if you bring up Jr. So, he was just smarter about how he got things done.
FWIW, I still think the Bush family had something to do (if not a lot to do) with the Kennedy assassination.
Turbineguy
(37,346 posts)shrine to him at the airport. I've people visiting it, teary eyed, infused with the spirit.
inanna
(3,547 posts)rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)Politicalboi
(15,189 posts)niyad
(113,370 posts)And a little bit longer to let it good and sink in
project_bluebook
(411 posts)Bill Clintons adopted father!
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)Bucky
(54,027 posts)probably by Ted Cruz. The monster always eats its Frankenstein.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)Crime Family is trying to take control.
Bucky
(54,027 posts)That is why it's called CLASS warfare. Dubya could've robbed a candybank for orphans, throwing puppies at the bank guards and kicking over the ficus on his way out the door, and he still wouldn't ever stand trial for his crimes. That is what power looks like, regardless of whether it's Koch flavored or Bush flavored.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)lonestarnot
(77,097 posts)Hmmmf.
dixiegrrrrl
(60,010 posts)GGJohn
(9,951 posts)And no, I won't disparage him, he served his country honorably in WWII and I commend him for that.
TexasTowelie
(112,252 posts)and I don't commend him for that.
GGJohn
(9,951 posts)We're talking about George H. W. Bush.
olddad56
(5,732 posts)His father Prescott and grandfather George Herbert Walker were traitors also. The Bush crime family goes way back.
GGJohn
(9,951 posts)right now we're talking about GHWB and his shortness of breath.
RoccoR5955
(12,471 posts)He lied to get into the navy. While he was at it Prescott Bush was funding the Germans!
That family has NO honor!
GGJohn
(9,951 posts)that happened quite often in WWII, nothing unusual there, and we're not talking about Prescott here.
RoccoR5955
(12,471 posts)How would we know that he is not lying when he is in office?
GGJohn
(9,951 posts)Know how to tell a politician is lying? Their lips are moving.
I don't fault Bush Sr. for lying to get into the fight, hundreds, if not thousands of Americans lied to be able to fight for their country.
RoccoR5955
(12,471 posts)If you want. You know what, he was a lousy president too!
GGJohn
(9,951 posts)it's a fact, and who cares if he was a lousy president, this is about Bush Sr. being taken to the hospital with shortness of breath.
RoccoR5955
(12,471 posts)sarge43
(28,941 posts)GGJohn
(9,951 posts)sarge43
(28,941 posts)Both as a Personnel puke and recruit wrangler, I inprocessed more than a few fibbers.
I'm sure the men in Murphy's unit were damn glad he lied.
GGJohn
(9,951 posts)of military service, but he did the opposite to get into the fight and all accounts says he was a good and brave pilot.
NewDeal_Dem
(1,049 posts)downed plane, for example...
I don't believe bush sr served honorably anywhere.
he's gotten more than he deserved throughout his life.
GGJohn
(9,951 posts)he fought honorably and bravely in WWII.
NewDeal_Dem
(1,049 posts)GGJohn
(9,951 posts)You serve with him?
NewDeal_Dem
(1,049 posts)3 men died, bush lived, and bush has run scams risking other people's lives all his life.
GGJohn
(9,951 posts)And I speak from experience on this matter.
NewDeal_Dem
(1,049 posts)GGJohn
(9,951 posts)I lived and my gunner died.
Bad shit happens in wartime.
Many B-25 bombers were shot down over Germany, some crewmembers lived, some died, that's the way of warfare.
grasswire
(50,130 posts)GGJohn
(9,951 posts)at the time it was hit by AA fire, that's like someone saying that I abandoned my gunner when my chopper took AA fire and went down and I was able to get out but my gunner wasn't.
Sorry, but I won't criticize a WWII veteran, what I will criticize is what he did as CIA director and President.
As I said, bad shit happens in wartime.
grasswire
(50,130 posts)But "won't criticize" is not the same as *will criticize those others who ask questions about his service*.
I sincerely thank you for your service.
GGJohn
(9,951 posts)EX500rider
(10,849 posts)Hard to blame that on him.
After Bush's promotion to Lieutenant (junior grade) on August 1, 1944, the San Jacinto commenced operations against the Japanese in the Bonin Islands. Bush piloted one of four Grumman TBM Avenger aircraft from VT-51 that attacked the Japanese installations on Chichijima. His crew for the mission, which occurred on September 2, 1944, included Radioman Second Class John Delaney and Lieutenant Junior Grade William White. During their attack, the Avengers encountered intense anti-aircraft fire; Bush's aircraft was hit by flak and his engine caught on fire. Despite his plane being on fire, Bush completed his attack and released bombs over his target, scoring several damaging hits. With his engine ablaze, Bush flew several miles from the island, where he and one other crew member on the TBM Avenger bailed out of the aircraft; the other man's parachute did not open. Bush waited for four hours in an inflated raft, while several fighters circled protectively overhead until he was rescued by the lifeguard submarine USS Finback. For the next month he remained on the Finback, and participated in the rescue of other pilots. Several of those shot down during the attack were executed and eaten by their captors. .
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_H._W._Bush#World_War_II
NewDeal_Dem
(1,049 posts)crew.
The other guy died, and the only person who really knows what happened is Bush, down to the part about how fucking heroically he completed his attack with his plane on fire.
Fuck Bush Sr.
EX500rider
(10,849 posts)...or cut out early. Though with the plane on fire, I wouldn't hold it against it if he did abort the run.
NewDeal_Dem
(1,049 posts)Gunner in Squadron Disputes Bush on Downing of Bomber
By The Associated Press
Published: August 13, 1988
The former airman, Chester Mierzejewski of Cheshire, Conn., said that the plane was not engulfed in flames, as the Vice President has recounted, and that Mr. Bush might have saved the lives of two other men on the plane had he tried a water landing.
In his autobiography, Mr. Bush wrote that his Grumman Avenger torpedo bomber was hit Sept. 2, 1944, in an attack on a Japanese radio installation in the western Pacific's Bonin Islands. Puff of Smoke Recalled
''Smoke poured into the cockpit, and I could see flames rippling across the crease of the wing, edging toward the fuel tanks,'' Mr. Bush wrote. He said he finished dropping the bombs and then, losing control of his plane, ejected over the ocean after radioing his gunner and radioman to jump. He said he got no response and presumed that the men were dead. Mr. Bush's decorations in the war included the Distinguished Flying Cross.
Mr. Mierzejewski, who was the rear turret gunner on the squadron commander's plane, said he was about 100 feet ahead of Mr. Bush's aircraft and saw only a brief puff of smoke. ''No smoke came out of his cockpit when he opened his canopy to bail out,'' Mr. Mierzejewski said.
A report signed by the squadron commander and an intelligence officer on the loss of the plane says ''smoke and flame'' engulfed the engine, according to The Post. The Post said other squadron members disagreed about whether Mr. Mierzejewski would have had the best line of sight on the Bush plane.
Steve Hart, Mr. Bush's press secretary, told the Post on Thursday that any suggestion that Mr. Bush's account was inaccurate was ''absurd.'' CONSISTENCY CITED
At the Mierzejewski home, a man who answered a telephone call and identified himself as Mr. Mierzejewski's son, Mark, told The New York Times that his father was exhausted from answering reporters' calls and could not come to the telephone. He said that the account given to The Post was consistent with what Mr. Mierzejewski had said for years and that he had given his own version publicly only ''when he heard other accounts he said were off base.''
http://www.nytimes.com/1988/08/13/us/gunner-in-squadron-disputes-bush-on-downing-of-bomber.html
Specifically, Mierzejewski said Bush's plane "was never on fire" and that only Bush bailed out of the plane.
However, Mierzejewski said in his account, which first appeared in Friday's New York Post, that "no smoke came out of his cockpit when he opened his canopy to bail out."
Mierzejewski contended that if Bush had attempted a water landing, the two men could have been saved, if they were still alive.
He also took issue with Bush's saying that he was "lucky" that he was rescued by the submarine, the Finback, that happened to be in the area. Mierzejewski noted that his own pilot radioed the submarine with Bush's location and then repeatedly circled Bush, indicating that help was on the way.
The Navy confirmed that Mierzejewski served in the Navy and that he was awarded a Distinguished Flying Cross on Oct. 25, 1944, in the area of the Philippines. Bush won that decoration for his action in the Sept. 2 incident.
http://articles.latimes.com/1988-08-13/news/mn-194_1_bush-spokesman
GGJohn
(9,951 posts)How many others in that flight disputed the account? Seems the rest of the flight disagrees with him but you want to believe him because it fits your agenda.
Attempted a water landing? Is he fucking nuts? Very few water landings end up well.
NewDeal_Dem
(1,049 posts)GGJohn
(9,951 posts)you bolded that yourself.
Again, how many others in that flight disputed Bush Sr's account?
Sounds like this guy had an axe to grind with Bush Sr.
NewDeal_Dem
(1,049 posts)the best view. My bolding the words on the page doesn't change what they say. You can't really be that obtuse.
What evidence can you present that this guy had an ax to grind with Bush, other than disputing Bush;s testimony that his plane was engulfed in flames and he was forced to leave the plane.
As for the water landing, Bush had done it at least once before, under bad circumstances, so apparently it wasn't as difficult as you claim.
Here. I'm going to bold this too, so watch out, it's tricky stuff:
San Jacinto was part of Task Force 58 that participated in operations against Marcus and Wake Islands in May, and then in the Marianas during June. On 19 June, the task force triumphed in one of the largest air battles of the war. During the return of his aircraft from the mission, Ensign Bush's aircraft made a forced water landing. The destroyer, USS Clarence K. Bronson, rescued the crew, but the plane was lost. On 25 July, Ensign Bush and another pilot received credit for sinking a small cargo ship.
http://www.history.navy.mil/faqs/faq10-1.htm
He finished his dive, dropped his four 500-pound bombs successfully on target and headed out to sea. He could have tried to make a water landing, something he had done once already when another Avenger he was flying lost power. That day, he and his crew got out of the plane and into the life raft before the plane sank. But this time, the burning Avenger could blow up before they got to the water.
- See more at: http://www.historynet.com/george-hw-bush#sthash.1tgY38KF.dpuf
GGJohn
(9,951 posts)NewDeal_Dem
(1,049 posts)GGJohn
(9,951 posts)NewDeal_Dem
(1,049 posts)GGJohn
(9,951 posts)Were you ever a pilot? Ever flown in combat? Ever been in an aircraft that's took ground fire? Ever been in an aircraft that's gone down?
EX500rider
(10,849 posts)....has no way to help wounded or unconscious crew bail out.
NewDeal_Dem
(1,049 posts)EX500rider
(10,849 posts)Other crew member most likely dead or wounded from the AAA fire.
NewDeal_Dem
(1,049 posts)GGJohn
(9,951 posts)I've no doubt that he ordered the crew members to bail out of the stricken aircraft, aircraft crews are pretty tight and would do whatever to save each other and unless you have info otherwise from a credible source, not just one person who is disputed by the rest of the flight, I'll believe that he did every thing possible to save his crew that day.
Bucky
(54,027 posts)He's not been all bad. He's one of the few Texas Congressmen to supporting the Housing Rights Act of 1964. That took balls.
840high
(17,196 posts)That's all I got.
eggplant
(3,911 posts)TexasTowelie
(112,252 posts)I always laughed when it referred to "State Office Building".
branford
(4,462 posts)I do not wish anyone ill, even my political opponents.
I hope he swiftly recovers and enjoys the holidays with his family.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)Seems a bit mean.
Marrah_G
(28,581 posts)People are reacting to a person and a family who have gained wealth an power through the destruction of other people's lives. The number of people dead from their actions will never be completely known but it is a number larger then most of us can wrap our heads around. It's hard to feel badly for people when they have lived very destructive lives at the expense of others.
NewDeal_Dem
(1,049 posts)davidpdx
(22,000 posts)But when Scalia kicks the bucket it is going to be really really hard for me to contain myself.
valerief
(53,235 posts)antigop
(12,778 posts)Bucky
(54,027 posts)Before Obamacare, he was perfectly healthy.
Niceguy1
(2,467 posts)Quickly
grasswire
(50,130 posts)"If the American people knew what we have done, they would chase us down the street and hang us."
To reporter Sarah McClendon.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)Very much doubt the validity.
grasswire
(50,130 posts)Sarah McClendon: "What will the people do if they ever find out the truth about Iraq-gate and Iran contra?
George H.W. Bush: "Sarah, if the American people ever find out what we have done, they will chase us down the streets and lynch us."
as reported in her newsletter of June 1992.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)To the newsletter?
Find it very hard to believe that he would have said this verbatim on the record to a reporter.
grasswire
(50,130 posts)And McClendon (now dead) did not ever say she was misquoted.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)I'd be curious to see the full context.
TBF
(32,068 posts)because who knows what all that family has done ... but I think you could say that about most presidents (politicians) when it comes down to it. We probably don't even hear half of what goes on behind the scenes, although with modern technology it may be getting a little better.
Jesus Malverde
(10,274 posts)Calista241
(5,586 posts)at least that's what he's saying at his press conference. and he says he's seen the complete videos.
jeff47
(26,549 posts)Sunlei
(22,651 posts)Vascular Parkinsonism makes it hard to breathe.
RussBLib
(9,020 posts)to see his son indicted for war crimes.
blkmusclmachine
(16,149 posts)truthisfreedom
(23,148 posts)No further comment.