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inanna

(3,547 posts)
Sat Dec 20, 2014, 12:31 PM Dec 2014

CIA unlikely to punish staff over Senate computer search: NYT

Source: Reuters

(Reuters) - A panel investigating the CIA's search of a computer network used by U.S. Senate staff will not recommend disciplining the agency officials involved in the incident, according to the New York Times.

The review panel is looking into the search by agency officials of staffers from the Senate Intelligence Committee who were investigating the CIA's use of torture in interrogations of detainees after the Sept. 11 attacks on the United States.

The Times, citing current and former government officials, said the panel was likely to fault the Central Intelligence Agency for missteps.

But the newspaper said the decision not to recommend anyone for disciplinary action was likely to anger members of the Intelligence Committee, who have accused the agency of interfering with its investigation of agency wrongdoing.

Read more: http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/12/20/us-usa-cia-senate-idUSKBN0JY0HM20141220?feedType=RSS&feedName=topNews



Here's the NY Times report:

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/20/us/politics/panel-to-advise-against-penalty-for-cia-computer-search.html
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TwilightGardener

(46,416 posts)
7. Obama. Obviously he either fires Brennan, or condones his actions.
Sat Dec 20, 2014, 01:27 PM
Dec 2014

I don't see Brennan going anywhere, so Obama must think this is A-OK.

 

KingCharlemagne

(7,908 posts)
9. I didn't want to be the one who said it, because it pains me so deeply (not that
Sat Dec 20, 2014, 02:43 PM
Dec 2014

Republicans are one whit better on this issue, mind you).

Charlie Pierce of Esquire captured and expressed my thoughts perfectly on this back in March:

It is not too much of an exaggeration to say that, in one very important way, the president has lost control of his own government. The current constitutional crisis between the CIA and the Senate committee tasked with investigating its policies regarding torture during the previous administration has only one real solution that is consonant with the rule of law. Either CIA director John Brennan gets to the bottom of what his people were doing and publicly fires everyone involved, or John Brennan becomes the ex-director of the CIA. By the Constitution, this isn't even a hard call. The Senate has every legal right to investigate what was done in the name of the American people during the previous decade. It has every legal right to every scrap of information relating to its investigation, and the CIA has an affirmative legal obligation to cooperate. Period. The only way this is not true is if we come to accept the intelligence apparatus as an extra-legal, formal fourth branch of the government.

http://www.esquire.com/blogs/politics/obama-cia-john-brennan-031414

True Blue Door

(2,969 posts)
12. No one who serves power is ever guilty of a crime.
Sat Dec 20, 2014, 03:47 PM
Dec 2014

Only those who violate or ignore the rules of power are held accountable.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
13. Apparently, beyond the fact that the CIA overstepped and acted like an intelligence agency
Sun Dec 21, 2014, 12:48 AM
Dec 2014

in a dictatorship, the CIA violated the separation of powers and the Constitution.
I suppose there are no criminal penalties for that, but it is a violation of the Constitution. Maybe if we get an independent, Democratic Congress, we will get a law that imposes a criminal penalty for that.

We need intelligence services, but we need them to serve the American people and not their own interests. Looks like the snooping on the committee preparing the torture report was only in the interest of the intelligence community and not in the interests of the American people or the representatives they elect to Congress.

 

KingCharlemagne

(7,908 posts)
16. In a functional democracy (no matter what variety), Brennan would have
Sun Dec 21, 2014, 03:20 AM
Dec 2014

been shit-canned the very same day (or the next, at the latest). That Brennan is still serving (and openly flaunting his power) says very bad things about our democratic republic. I wish I were not so dour, but I cannot escape the logical conclusions of Brennan's continued tenure and what it implies. Not. Good. At. All.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
18. Truman warned us a month after Dallas: CIA transformed into PLAYER...
Sun Dec 21, 2014, 10:25 AM
Dec 2014
Limit CIA Role To Intelligence

By Harry S Truman
The Washington Post, December 22, 1963 - page A11

INDEPENDENCE, MO., Dec. 21 — I think it has become necessary to take another look at the purpose and operations of our Central Intelligence Agency—CIA. At least, I would like to submit here the original reason why I thought it necessary to organize this Agency during my Administration, what I expected it to do and how it was to operate as an arm of the President.

I think it is fairly obvious that by and large a President's performance in office is as effective as the information he has and the information he gets. That is to say, that assuming the President himself possesses a knowledge of our history, a sensitive understanding of our institutions, and an insight into the needs and aspirations of the people, he needs to have available to him the most accurate and up-to-the-minute information on what is going on everywhere in the world, and particularly of the trends and developments in all the danger spots in the contest between East and West. This is an immense task and requires a special kind of an intelligence facility.

Of course, every President has available to him all the information gathered by the many intelligence agencies already in existence. The Departments of State, Defense, Commerce, Interior and others are constantly engaged in extensive information gathering and have done excellent work.

But their collective information reached the President all too frequently in conflicting conclusions. At times, the intelligence reports tended to be slanted to conform to established positions of a given department. This becomes confusing and what's worse, such intelligence is of little use to a President in reaching the right decisions.

Therefore, I decided to set up a special organization charged with the collection of all intelligence reports from every available source, and to have those reports reach me as President without department "treatment" or interpretations.

I wanted and needed the information in its "natural raw" state and in as comprehensive a volume as it was practical for me to make full use of it. But the most important thing about this move was to guard against the chance of intelligence being used to influence or to lead the President into unwise decisions—and I thought it was necessary that the President do his own thinking and evaluating.

Since the responsibility for decision making was his—then he had to be sure that no information is kept from him for whatever reason at the discretion of any one department or agency, or that unpleasant facts be kept from him. There are always those who would want to shield a President from bad news or misjudgments to spare him from being "upset."

For some time I have been disturbed by the way CIA has been diverted from its original assignment. It has become an operational and at times a policy-making arm of the Government. This has led to trouble and may have compounded our difficulties in several explosive areas.

I never had any thought that when I set up the CIA that it would be injected into peacetime cloak and dagger operations. Some of the complications and embarrassment I think we have experienced are in part attributable to the fact that this quiet intelligence arm of the President has been so removed from its intended role that it is being interpreted as a symbol of sinister and mysterious foreign intrigue—and a subject for cold war enemy propaganda.

With all the nonsense put out by Communist propaganda about "Yankee imperialism," "exploitive capitalism," "war-mongering," "monopolists," in their name-calling assault on the West, the last thing we needed was for the CIA to be seized upon as something akin to a subverting influence in the affairs of other people.

I well knew the first temporary director of the CIA, Adm. Souers, and the later permanent directors of the CIA, Gen. Hoyt Vandenberg and Allen Dulles. These were men of the highest character, patriotism and integrity—and I assume this is true of all those who continue in charge.

But there are now some searching questions that need to be answered. I, therefore, would like to see the CIA be restored to its original assignment as the intelligence arm of the President, and that whatever else it can properly perform in that special field—and that its operational duties be terminated or properly used elsewhere.

We have grown up as a nation, respected for our free institutions and for our ability to maintain a free and open society. There is something about the way the CIA has been functioning that is casting a shadow over our historic position and I feel that we need to correct it.

SOURCE: http://www.maebrussell.com/Prouty/Harry%20Truman's%20CIA%20article.html

One month after the assassination, President Truman expressed public concern CIA had strayed off the reservation from intelligence gathering of foreign news sources to cloak-and-dagger operations. Time -- and the Church Committee -- has since shown CIA operated, illegally, domestically.
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