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Purveyor

(29,876 posts)
Mon Dec 8, 2014, 03:54 PM Dec 2014

Bush Joins Bid to Block Senate Release of CIA Torture Report

Source: Bloomberg

By Chris Strohm Dec 8, 2014 2:38 PM ET

Current and past U.S. officials, including former President George W. Bush, have mounted a campaign to try to block the release tomorrow of a Senate report detailing harsh interrogation tactics previously used by the CIA on suspected terrorists.

The opposition comes as Democrats on the Senate intelligence committee plan to release an executive summary of the 6,200-page report, which found the CIA used extreme interrogation methods at secret prisons more often than legally authorized and failed to disclose all the activities to lawmakers and other officials.

Despite warnings of retaliation abroad against Americans from those opposed to making the report public, the Obama administration supports its release, White House spokesman Josh Earnest said today.

“The president believes that, on principle, it’s important to release that report, so that people around the world and people here at home understand exactly what transpired,” he said. Earnest said the administration has taken steps to improve security at U.S. facilities around the world.

Read more: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-12-08/bush-joins-effort-to-block-senate-release-of-cia-torture-report.html

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Bush Joins Bid to Block Senate Release of CIA Torture Report (Original Post) Purveyor Dec 2014 OP
I almost wet my pants laughing... SoapBox Dec 2014 #1
Wouldn't it be lovely to have this report lead to Bush, Cheney, duhneece Dec 2014 #4
Yes but I am not going to hold my breath on them cstanleytech Dec 2014 #8
we are not a signatory to that agreement so they wont be going to the hague belzabubba333 Dec 2014 #9
Even if they were tried in absentia duhneece Dec 2014 #17
Was Serbia a signatory? Was Yugoslavia? JDPriestly Dec 2014 #36
i dont know- my guess is no? belzabubba333 Dec 2014 #57
That will make me so happy n/t albino65 Dec 2014 #23
Why do DUers always say that yeoman6987 Dec 2014 #28
Doesn't matter. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Dec 2014 #51
Exactly! nt duhneece Dec 2014 #55
What would you like to see happen? nt duhneece Dec 2014 #56
Yeah, but we've got a President that believes in "Looking Forward, not Looking Backwards" dirtydickcheney Dec 2014 #34
About 5 years ago it was President Obama who ordered this report. Sunlei Dec 2014 #80
Yes, we can all dream... mountain grammy Dec 2014 #37
We all know that's where the trail leads. harun Dec 2014 #79
That they won't be walking free after this, is what REALLY scares them. Volaris Dec 2014 #24
Will we discover anything new? Turbineguy Dec 2014 #2
Bush: "This government does not torture people." Renew Deal Dec 2014 #3
One of the worst lies ever told. sakabatou Dec 2014 #26
Why believe ANYTHING this serial liar and sociopath says??? Including 9/11... blkmusclmachine Dec 2014 #31
Didn't he hire people to do it? jmowreader Dec 2014 #43
Of course he wants it BLOCKED, unlike Dem statesmen calling for a DELAY only blm Dec 2014 #5
I support waiting until after the Iran deal. Why rock the boat on something as important as the okaawhatever Dec 2014 #10
How would releasing this report affect our negotiations with Iran? I don't get it. Comrade Grumpy Dec 2014 #15
They would have to save face with their people Elmer S. E. Dump Dec 2014 #21
Exactly. AzDar Dec 2014 #25
Oh FFS, the CIA has nothing on Iran. You want to know about torture, talk to someone who has faced okaawhatever Dec 2014 #39
Iran is running ops right now (WITH the US) confronting ISIL. Have some of you been blm Dec 2014 #45
Plenty of people will die in future over the years of what bush admin started. report or none. Sunlei Dec 2014 #81
There is no difference! onwardsand upwards Dec 2014 #12
Yeah and Kerry is no different than Bush….except for the fact that blm Dec 2014 #50
Yup -- he's a good cop, alright. onwardsand upwards Dec 2014 #59
Lazyminded answer. So much easier to not think things through, eh? blm Dec 2014 #70
Easier, still, to keep your blinkers on ... onwardsand upwards Dec 2014 #73
Unlike Dems? Wake up billhicks76 Dec 2014 #32
LOL - So, of course you can easily name lawmakers who have effected this blm Dec 2014 #44
It's Affected Not Effected billhicks76 Dec 2014 #61
Baloney - and old school effected works fine for me. blm Dec 2014 #68
I Think For Myself billhicks76 Dec 2014 #71
LOL - Thought that up yourself, did ya? You know NOTHING about Syria blm Dec 2014 #75
Really Doesn't Matter What We Think Or Guess billhicks76 Dec 2014 #62
Let's see, WHO is in charge of embassies around the world and who is NOT? blm Dec 2014 #69
It's Released Now billhicks76 Dec 2014 #72
It always WAS going to be released, your hysteria was unwarranted. blm Dec 2014 #74
Look Forward Not Back Right? billhicks76 Dec 2014 #77
According to you, anyway. Your hysteria has no credibility. blm Dec 2014 #82
Your Calling Me A Moron? billhicks76 Dec 2014 #83
Now is anyone here really surprised that they want to block it? I mean really? cstanleytech Dec 2014 #6
... ColesCountyDem Dec 2014 #7
Love this!! n/t Duval Dec 2014 #19
All hail Grumpy Cat! Brigid Dec 2014 #30
K & R !!! WillyT Dec 2014 #11
Witness the turn of history as the Bush/Cheney legacy is told. slumcamper Dec 2014 #13
Note that the Obama administration is NOT holding it up karynnj Dec 2014 #14
Makes me proud nt duhneece Dec 2014 #18
Well then...it will be released tomorrow as Feinstein said? KoKo Dec 2014 #20
If we leave it to Feinstein, it will never see the light of day! Elmer S. E. Dump Dec 2014 #22
She has been one of the one pushing the issue karynnj Dec 2014 #33
Well, I'll be snookered! Elmer S. E. Dump Dec 2014 #64
The Obama administration has been covering up Bush's torture for years, OnyxCollie Dec 2014 #60
I was specifically speaking of releasing this report -- not the past 6 years karynnj Dec 2014 #63
The past 6 years shows a pattern of obstruction OnyxCollie Dec 2014 #65
We all know they are guilty they even admit it. I would love to see them indicted. santamargarita Dec 2014 #16
Bush shoul be counting his blessings... Mike Nelson Dec 2014 #27
Obama's ace in the hole azureblue Dec 2014 #29
Unfortunately, I think you're wrong. Quackers Dec 2014 #53
They are afraid of the international outcry against them. So be it. You make your bed; you lie JDPriestly Dec 2014 #35
He's afraid it will hurt Jebbie's 2016 bid. nt msanthrope Dec 2014 #47
Even though he regrets nothing about the Iraq war, he still wants to keep secrets? mountain grammy Dec 2014 #38
War criminals! Enthusiast Dec 2014 #40
Bush Joins Bid to Black Senate Release of CIA Torture Report wagepeace Dec 2014 #41
Torture is only one of the many crimes committed by the Bush Administration. Enthusiast Dec 2014 #42
It'll be worth it just to see Darth Vader Cheney's reaction Joey Liberal Dec 2014 #46
I heard them say the report could be damaging and cause harm. It isn't the REPORT but the ACTS peacebird Dec 2014 #48
Screw the torture, tavernier Dec 2014 #49
nothing much to see here DemandsRedPill Dec 2014 #52
Yeah, he knows it will put him into prison down the road Warpy Dec 2014 #54
Of course Bush doesn't want this report released. Major Hogwash Dec 2014 #58
Can we send this administration to The Hague yet? Ruby the Liberal Dec 2014 #66
too late, bitch! yurbud Dec 2014 #67
Hmm. I wonder why he objects to the report. nt ladjf Dec 2014 #76
We have global retaliation because of you Bush. Accountability will improve the situation. Sunlei Dec 2014 #78

SoapBox

(18,791 posts)
1. I almost wet my pants laughing...
Mon Dec 8, 2014, 03:56 PM
Dec 2014

Hearing the response from Pukes and Baggers.

NOW they are worried that it will make the world angry.

What makes me angry is that the WAR CRIMINALS from the Bush Reign of Terror, still walk free.

duhneece

(4,113 posts)
4. Wouldn't it be lovely to have this report lead to Bush, Cheney,
Mon Dec 8, 2014, 04:16 PM
Dec 2014

Wolfie, Rumsfled being tried for crimes against humanity by World Criminal Court at The Hague?
I can dream.

cstanleytech

(26,291 posts)
8. Yes but I am not going to hold my breath on them
Mon Dec 8, 2014, 04:28 PM
Dec 2014

ever having to appear before a court as our country like many others doesnt tend to punish those who were in extremely high offices of power very often.
I mean hell look at how Nixon were protected not to mention Reagan and Bush Sr.

duhneece

(4,113 posts)
17. Even if they were tried in absentia
Mon Dec 8, 2014, 05:07 PM
Dec 2014

that would be better than nothing.
I thought dictators who hadn't signed could still be arrested and tried...no?

 

yeoman6987

(14,449 posts)
28. Why do DUers always say that
Mon Dec 8, 2014, 05:49 PM
Dec 2014

The Hague has 100 present ZERO authority over the United States. We never joined it.

Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
51. Doesn't matter.
Mon Dec 8, 2014, 09:02 PM
Dec 2014

It would be a statement showing that the rest of the world won't turn a blind eye towards US war criminals, even if our own 'leaders' are too cowardly to prosecute such.

 

dirtydickcheney

(242 posts)
34. Yeah, but we've got a President that believes in "Looking Forward, not Looking Backwards"
Mon Dec 8, 2014, 06:17 PM
Dec 2014

And THANK GOD for that said with absolutely *NO SARCASM* at all!!

Volaris

(10,271 posts)
24. That they won't be walking free after this, is what REALLY scares them.
Mon Dec 8, 2014, 05:27 PM
Dec 2014

It will so discredit the Bush Admin (and by proxy, the whole of the GOP) that they won't win the White House back for half a century.
And they know it.
Run, you fuckers, run.
=)

Renew Deal

(81,859 posts)
3. Bush: "This government does not torture people."
Mon Dec 8, 2014, 04:11 PM
Dec 2014


So he has nothing to worry about.

Of course it doesn't mean people weren't sent elsewhere to be tortured.
 

blkmusclmachine

(16,149 posts)
31. Why believe ANYTHING this serial liar and sociopath says??? Including 9/11...
Mon Dec 8, 2014, 06:09 PM
Dec 2014
He knew. Oh, yes. HE KNEW

jmowreader

(50,557 posts)
43. Didn't he hire people to do it?
Mon Dec 8, 2014, 07:14 PM
Dec 2014

I guess if you have Halliburton and DynCorp employees doing the torturing, or if you don't consider people you suspect of terrorism to be people, then "this government doesn't torture people" is a sorta true statement.

It doesn't change the fact that Bush, Cheney, Rummy, Condi, Colin and anyone else who held a job in the Bush maladministration higher than Coffee Pourer needs to sorta be scrubbing pots in a prison kitchen for the rest of his or her natural life.

blm

(113,061 posts)
5. Of course he wants it BLOCKED, unlike Dem statesmen calling for a DELAY only
Mon Dec 8, 2014, 04:20 PM
Dec 2014

in order to protect what gains have been made with Iran deals, and to better prepare worldwide embassies and bases for backlash. Bushies only think of themselves.

And some here claim there is no difference.

okaawhatever

(9,462 posts)
10. I support waiting until after the Iran deal. Why rock the boat on something as important as the
Mon Dec 8, 2014, 04:42 PM
Dec 2014

Iran nuke deal. Also, if a single American is killed abroad it will be Benghazi all over again.

 

Comrade Grumpy

(13,184 posts)
15. How would releasing this report affect our negotiations with Iran? I don't get it.
Mon Dec 8, 2014, 04:54 PM
Dec 2014

I'm sure they already think the worst of us. They've been subject to the CIA's tender mercies in the past. It's not news to them.

okaawhatever

(9,462 posts)
39. Oh FFS, the CIA has nothing on Iran. You want to know about torture, talk to someone who has faced
Mon Dec 8, 2014, 06:33 PM
Dec 2014

the Iranian system. Your constant cheerleading for brutal regimes says a lot about you comrade.

blm

(113,061 posts)
45. Iran is running ops right now (WITH the US) confronting ISIL. Have some of you been
Mon Dec 8, 2014, 07:23 PM
Dec 2014

relying on mainstream corporate media for information about what has been going on between Kerry and Iran's negotiating team the last 2 years? If you have your knowledge of Kerry's persistent pursuit of common ground with Iran would be sorely lacking.

Kerry has been keeping much of the efforts out of the media line of fire because anytime he makes an advancement the GOP and their poodle puppets say and do whatever they can to undermine the developments.

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
81. Plenty of people will die in future over the years of what bush admin started. report or none.
Wed Dec 10, 2014, 06:22 PM
Dec 2014

It is always better to face the truth.

 

onwardsand upwards

(276 posts)
12. There is no difference!
Mon Dec 8, 2014, 04:51 PM
Dec 2014

On substantive issues, anyway.

The Democratic and Republican wings of the Corporate Party work together -- the good cop and the bad cop.

To hope that the Democratic wing will, somehow, bring its Republican brethren to justice is just a naive pipe-dream.

This will be a whitewash -- like the Warren Commission, the 9/11 Commission, the Hutton inquiry Report, etc., etc., etc., ...

Bush's protest is just for show ... enjoy the show!



blm

(113,061 posts)
50. Yeah and Kerry is no different than Bush….except for the fact that
Mon Dec 8, 2014, 08:55 PM
Dec 2014

it was Kerry who doggedly investigated and ended up exposing IranContra, BCCI, which also led to uncovering problems with S&Ls and CIA drug running. Now he's no different than Bush. Right?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/10/10/gary-webb-dark-alliance_n_5961748.html

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rick-ross/how-john-kerry-exposed-th_b_2469665.html

 

onwardsand upwards

(276 posts)
59. Yup -- he's a good cop, alright.
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 12:03 AM
Dec 2014

Where does Kerry stand on Cuba, or the Israeli apartheid, or the NSA?

Both Bush and Kerry are Skull and Bones boys -- they're on the same team.




 

billhicks76

(5,082 posts)
32. Unlike Dems? Wake up
Mon Dec 8, 2014, 06:13 PM
Dec 2014

The Kerry and Clinton types are delaying so a Republican led Senate can torpedo it later. Don't be foolish.

blm

(113,061 posts)
44. LOL - So, of course you can easily name lawmakers who have effected this
Mon Dec 8, 2014, 07:17 PM
Dec 2014

nation's historic record more positively, especially in regard to investigating and exposing government corruption, than John Kerry has over the last 4 decades, can't you mr not bill hicks?

Of course, to the ignorati, Mr. Kerry is no different than W, eh, mr not bill hicks?

Bare-naked cynicism should have a basis in REALITY, mr hicks.

 

billhicks76

(5,082 posts)
61. It's Affected Not Effected
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 05:38 AM
Dec 2014

I used to agree that Kerry was that guy. But now I agree with what Lenin suggested. To control the opposition become the opposition. Kerry globbed onto all those investigations like IranContra cocaine dealing but them all those investigations went nowhere at the last minute. He didn't say crap about Ohio in 2004, he begged for war in Syria based on false WMD claims (the rebels easily got nailed for using gas too) and he is a Skull & Bones member. He looks beaten down and it's probably because his conscience is screaming out(at least he has one) but looks to me like he has given into the forces that control things.

blm

(113,061 posts)
68. Baloney - and old school effected works fine for me.
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 03:02 PM
Dec 2014

BTW - you TOTALLY misread what was going on in Syria, too. Lavrov and Kerry knew what they orchestrated - gee - too bad that you glom onto corporate media 'analysis' and didn't have enough insight to recognize what was actually occurring.

Sorry about that - must suck to not know and rely on spin - from both sides.

 

billhicks76

(5,082 posts)
71. I Think For Myself
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 11:26 PM
Dec 2014

Unlike you. My take is diametrically opposed to the mass media take which totted the Kerry line. He looked scary actually as he clamored for war. War War War. That's all they think about and when it comes to foreign policy democratic leaders act like Neocon poodles.

blm

(113,061 posts)
75. LOL - Thought that up yourself, did ya? You know NOTHING about Syria
Wed Dec 10, 2014, 10:57 AM
Dec 2014

Last edited Wed Dec 10, 2014, 11:51 AM - Edit history (1)

and what Kerry and Lavrov had been negotiating in the year prior the hyperventilating news reporting. If you had paid attention you would have known that Kerry and Lavrov were working together to PREVENT a military confrontation in Syria. Some of us were posting about the corporate media's disinterest in the diplomatic groundwork being laid quietly as it was happening, and they didn't engage until the neocons thought they could push an invasion of Syria. Kerry's public upbraiding of Syria using military threats was exactly what Lavrov needed to get the increasingly paranoid Assad under firmer control.

Lead posters to the information lake, but, you can't make them drink. You passed over those postings, too. Didn't get excited till you thought war was the goal, eh?

 

billhicks76

(5,082 posts)
62. Really Doesn't Matter What We Think Or Guess
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 05:42 AM
Dec 2014

He wants it delayed until the Rethugs take over. I understand they were worried about before the election because the CIA would provoke or foment some riots or attacks to deflect their crimes and say,"See we told you not to release it". But we already let the Rethugs win for not acting like real Dems so what's the point now? The fact is he wants it delayed. Facts are facts.

blm

(113,061 posts)
69. Let's see, WHO is in charge of embassies around the world and who is NOT?
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 03:04 PM
Dec 2014

SOOOOO easy for BSers to get away with their particular brand of BS.

blm

(113,061 posts)
74. It always WAS going to be released, your hysteria was unwarranted.
Wed Dec 10, 2014, 10:47 AM
Dec 2014

That evil Kerry 'no different than Bush' had to rush preparations for backlash at embassies around the world, but, he never lifted a finger to BLOCK the release now, did he? He always supported the investigation and the release of the report but, because he wanted time to prepare embassies and secure his diplomatic efforts with Muslim nations, the knee-jerk crowd had to spend their energy labeling him and Obama as tools for covering up for Bush and Cheney.

 

billhicks76

(5,082 posts)
77. Look Forward Not Back Right?
Wed Dec 10, 2014, 06:01 PM
Dec 2014

You're analysis is seriously flawed and you obviously do not get it. Obama tried to prevent the release but once he realized the inevitable political winds he stopped trying to delay and went into damage control on behalf of his Neoconning handlers. It's the same reason he won't fire Brennan or hold anyone in the intelligence community accountable for anything. You're naive to say the least. More NSA spying, more drones and more BS too.

blm

(113,061 posts)
82. According to you, anyway. Your hysteria has no credibility.
Wed Dec 10, 2014, 07:23 PM
Dec 2014

I refuse to give credibility to morons who prefer people stop studying National Security Archives and rely, instead, on THEIR sophomoric analysis and views.

 

billhicks76

(5,082 posts)
83. Your Calling Me A Moron?
Sat Dec 13, 2014, 12:34 AM
Dec 2014

Because I pointed out Obama hasn't held anyone accountable in the CIA and lets them rule his foreign policy? He tried to stonewall but the pressure from ethical democrats was too much. Brennan should've already been fired. Go look in the mirror.

slumcamper

(1,606 posts)
13. Witness the turn of history as the Bush/Cheney legacy is told.
Mon Dec 8, 2014, 04:52 PM
Dec 2014

Flag-waving nationalists and self-described "patriots" can no longer hide behind the opaque curtain of founding principles or arrogant notions of "American exceptionalism." The painful but triumphant march of justice is unrelenting, and truth is the victor.

Peace, all.

karynnj

(59,503 posts)
14. Note that the Obama administration is NOT holding it up
Mon Dec 8, 2014, 04:53 PM
Dec 2014

Articles that said they were - all had no on record source. Here Earnest and Psaki are the official spokesmen.

“The president believes that, on principle, it’s important to release that report, so that people around the world and people here at home understand exactly what transpired,” he said. Earnest said the administration has taken steps to improve security at U.S. facilities around the world.

<snip>

Secretary of State John Kerry supports releasing the findings, State Department spokeswoman Jen Psaki told reporters today. Kerry discussed the policy implications of the release in a phone call with Senator Dianne Feinstein, a California Democrat and chairman of the intelligence panel, and said it was up to her to decide when to do so, Psaki said.

(From your link)

KoKo

(84,711 posts)
20. Well then...it will be released tomorrow as Feinstein said?
Mon Dec 8, 2014, 05:15 PM
Dec 2014

Obama is the Current President and therefore he has every right to demand the release inspite of Bush objections.

It was supposed to be released before the election wasn't it and the holdup was that the information on CIA participants hadn't been redacted as fully as CIA wanted. Yet others said that more redactions would make the report unreadable. And, others felt that the CIA was stalling because there were ways to hide the identities of those involved and they needed more time. Perhaps it was because that report had names of higher ups who were not CIA Ops who would be personally harmed by the revelations. That would certainly be why Bush doesn't want it released.

 

OnyxCollie

(9,958 posts)
60. The Obama administration has been covering up Bush's torture for years,
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 01:45 AM
Dec 2014

despite your wishful thinking.

Holder Says He Will Not Permit the Criminalization of Policy Differences
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=7410267&page=1

As lawmakers call for hearings and debate brews over forming commissions to examine the Bush administration's policies on harsh interrogation techniques, Attorney General Eric Holder confirmed to a House panel that intelligence officials who relied on legal advice from the Bush-era Justice Department would not be prosecuted.

"Those intelligence community officials who acted reasonably and in good faith and in reliance on Department of Justice opinions are not going to be prosecuted,"
he told members of a House Appropriations Subcommittee, reaffirming the White House sentiment. "It would not be fair, in my view, to bring such prosecutions."


Holder: Won't criminalize terror policy disputes
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/feedarticle/8470942

Associated Press Writer= WASHINGTON (AP) — Attorney General Eric Holder left open the possibility Thursday to prosecuting former Bush administration officials but ruled out filing charges merely over disagreements about policy.

"I will not permit the criminalization of policy differences," Holder testified before a House Appropriations subcommittee.

"However, it is my responsibility as attorney general to enforce the law. It is my duty to enforce the law. If I see evidence of wrongdoing I will pursue it to the full extent of the law," he said.


~snip~

"It is certainly the intention of this administration not to play hide and seek, or not to release certain things," said Holder. "It is not our intention to try to advance a political agenda or to try to hide things from the American people."


CIA Exhales: 99 Out of 101 Torture Cases Dropped
http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2011/06/cia-exhales-99-out-of-101-torture-cases-dropped/

This is how one of the darkest chapters in U.S. counterterrorism ends: with practically every instance of suspected CIA torture dodging criminal scrutiny. It’s one of the greatest gifts the Justice Department could have given the CIA as David Petraeus takes over the agency.

Over two years after Attorney General Eric Holder instructed a special prosecutor, John Durham, to “preliminar(ily) review” whether CIA interrogators unlawfully tortured detainees in their custody, Holder announced on Thursday afternoon that he’ll pursue criminal investigations in precisely two out of 101 cases of suspected detainee abuse. Some of them turned out not to have involved CIA officials after all. Both of the cases that move on to a criminal phase involved the “death in custody” of detainees, Holder said.

But just because there’s a further criminal inquiry doesn’t necessarily mean there will be any charges brought against CIA officials involved in those deaths. If Holder’s decision on Thursday doesn’t actually end the Justice Department’s review of torture in CIA facilities, it brings it awfully close, as outgoing CIA Director Leon Panetta noted.

“On this, my last day as Director, I welcome the news that the broader inquiries are behind us,” Panetta wrote to the CIA staff on Thursday. “We are now finally about to close this chapter of our Agency’s history.”


No Charges Filed on Harsh Tactics Used by the C.I.A.
By SCOTT SHANE
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/31/us/holder-rules-out-prosecutions-in-cia-interrogations.html

Attorney General Eric H. Holder Jr. announced Thursday that no one would be prosecuted for the deaths of a prisoner in Afghanistan in 2002 and another in Iraq in 2003, eliminating the last possibility that any criminal charges will be brought as a result of the brutal interrogations carried out by the C.I.A.

Mr. Holder had already ruled out any charges related to the use of waterboarding and other methods that most human rights experts consider to be torture. His announcement closes a contentious three-year investigation by the Justice Department and brings to an end years of dispute over whether line intelligence or military personnel or their superiors would be held accountable for the abuse of prisoners in the aftermath of the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001.

The closing of the two cases means that the Obama administration’s limited effort to scrutinize the counterterrorism programs carried out under President George W. Bush has come to an end. Without elaborating, Mr. Holder suggested that the end of the criminal investigation should not be seen as a moral exoneration of those involved in the prisoners’ treatment and deaths.

“Based on the fully developed factual record concerning the two deaths, the department has declined prosecution because the admissible evidence would not be sufficient to obtain and sustain a conviction beyond a reasonable doubt,” his statement said. It said the investigation “was not intended to, and does not resolve, broader questions regarding the propriety of the examined conduct.”


The Obama administration even got to torture some folks like Chelsea Manning. P.J. Crowley was forced to resign as State Department spokesman when he called Manning's treatment “ridiculous and counterproductive and stupid.”

karynnj

(59,503 posts)
63. I was specifically speaking of releasing this report -- not the past 6 years
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 10:23 AM
Dec 2014

There are differences of opinion on whether the treatment of Manning could be called torture - and her father questioned some of the accounts of her advocates.

 

OnyxCollie

(9,958 posts)
65. The past 6 years shows a pattern of obstruction
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 11:23 AM
Dec 2014

but let's just ignore that to support your claim.

As for the differences of opinion of what constitutes torture (I'm sure the Obama administration thought it was OK), here's an opinion that really matters:

Bradley Manning's treatment was cruel and inhuman, UN torture chief rules
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2012/mar/12/bradley-manning-cruel-inhuman-treatment-un

The UN special rapporteur on torture has formally accused the US government of cruel, inhuman and degrading treatment towards Bradley Manning, the US soldier who was held in solitary confinement for almost a year on suspicion of being the WikiLeaks source.

Juan Mendez has completed a 14-month investigation into the treatment of Manning since the soldier's arrest at a US military base in May 2010. He concludes that the US military was at least culpable of cruel and inhumane treatment in keeping Manning locked up alone for 23 hours a day over an 11-month period in conditions that he also found might have constituted torture.

azureblue

(2,146 posts)
29. Obama's ace in the hole
Mon Dec 8, 2014, 05:54 PM
Dec 2014

Maybe this is why he didn't prosecute the war criminals when he took office. Now that he is on the way out, he can open an investigation, bring it all to light, and pursue charges. Which, of course will throw the GOP into a fit. You know damn well they will be in the oval office with a change of tune to try to get him to soft pedal or delay the investigation and "maybe we can trade, you know? Like we won't try to impeach you or something? No, with promise we'll play nice with you and keep our word this time--"..

This is rich - this man who they reviled from the day he took office, now has them by the short and curlies, and he knows he has the upper hand. The baggers will try to press with impeachment or some other way to take Obama down, but the GOP establishment knows they are are checkmated and they will do all they can to keep that report quiet.

Stay tuned - I have a feeling the party is just getting started

Quackers

(2,256 posts)
53. Unfortunately, I think you're wrong.
Mon Dec 8, 2014, 09:05 PM
Dec 2014

This is from last year.

A federal case in San Francisco, filed by an Iraqi single mother and refugee now living in Jordan, alleges that President Bush and much of his administration should be tried for violating international law in the execution of the Iraq War.

However, the Obama administration's Department of Justice has moved to request that such Bush-era officials, and the former President, be shielded with immunity.


http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/08/22/1233110/-DOJ-Asks-Court-to-Grant-Immunity-to-Bush-Cheney-Rumsfeld-for-Iraq-War

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
35. They are afraid of the international outcry against them. So be it. You make your bed; you lie
Mon Dec 8, 2014, 06:21 PM
Dec 2014

in it.

Bush and Cheney showed no mercy, no compassion, for the victims of torture. But now that a report on the conduct they condoned and approved is to be made public, they are afraid.

What cowards. If you do something, the least you can do is admit it and apologize when you are caught.

If it was right when they ordered, they should stand by the correctness of their decision or apologize for it.

But they cannot run from it. It will come out sooner or later.

mountain grammy

(26,621 posts)
38. Even though he regrets nothing about the Iraq war, he still wants to keep secrets?
Mon Dec 8, 2014, 06:33 PM
Dec 2014

my oh my, what a surprise.

wagepeace

(15 posts)
41. Bush Joins Bid to Black Senate Release of CIA Torture Report
Mon Dec 8, 2014, 06:43 PM
Dec 2014

Bush + CIA Torture Report - http://demu.gr/1014960474

My God, the arrogance of "W" and his inept band of "chicken-hawks" the "rethuglican" is stunning & appalling. Of course they want to keep hidden, keep secreted the horror they unleashed, they allowed, that they sanctioned. The American people need to know every detail of their wanton criminal behavior, "done in our name" I believe that this report will validate, vindicate the brave, unselfish actions of Chelsea Manning, Eric Snowden, Julian Assiage and will hopefully allow they to come home. Their actions were not treasonous, unlike the outing of CIA agent Valeria Plume but that's a whole other rant!

BTW: have any of you noticed that unlike prior presidential administration, the "Bush Gang-Cabal" have not travel outside the United States (if they have they surely must have used Harry Potter's Cloak of Invisibility) Hell even Tricky-Dick-Water-gate-Impeached Richard Nixon traveled all over the world, especially to China after he left office. Could it be that in the eyes of the World Community The Merry Band of Bush Misfit guys and gals have been tried in absentia and found guilty of "war crimes" and as such they could arrested upon arrival?? Because if that's true, I'd gladly empty out my bank account and buy Bush, et al a one-way-ticket, heck I'd even upgrade them to first class to The Hague...Guantanamo... maybe the best post-administration service they can do a this time is simply to sit down shut up or as the wordsmith of the Bush Administration Dick cheney said..go fuck yourself ( yep he said that to Democratic Senator Patrick Leahy)

Joey Liberal

(5,526 posts)
46. It'll be worth it just to see Darth Vader Cheney's reaction
Mon Dec 8, 2014, 07:42 PM
Dec 2014

And maybe it'll stop us from becoming a torture country again in the future.

peacebird

(14,195 posts)
48. I heard them say the report could be damaging and cause harm. It isn't the REPORT but the ACTS
Mon Dec 8, 2014, 08:04 PM
Dec 2014

Described in it.

Don't want to look bad and cause damage to international relationships by releasing a report on torture? Then maybe you should have refrained fromACTUALLY TORTURING people????

tavernier

(12,388 posts)
49. Screw the torture,
Mon Dec 8, 2014, 08:37 PM
Dec 2014

the real crime is the deaths and destruction he caused to thousands of Iraqis and to our own soldiers, sending them into a country that did us no harm.

 

DemandsRedPill

(65 posts)
52. nothing much to see here
Mon Dec 8, 2014, 09:05 PM
Dec 2014

Torture would be one of the least of the crimes perpetrated by The Bush Crime Family

Bush family crimes go as far back as the civil war

Warpy

(111,261 posts)
54. Yeah, he knows it will put him into prison down the road
Mon Dec 8, 2014, 09:28 PM
Dec 2014

He's skated through this administration. He might not be as lucky with the next.

Major Hogwash

(17,656 posts)
58. Of course Bush doesn't want this report released.
Mon Dec 8, 2014, 10:38 PM
Dec 2014

It might change people's minds about what a great guy he would be to have a beer with!


But, I doubt it.

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