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Purveyor

(29,876 posts)
Fri Dec 5, 2014, 10:52 PM Dec 2014

US 'Considering' Economic Sanctions On Israel Over Settlement Plans

Source: International Business Times UK

By Vasudevan Sridharan
December 5, 2014

The US is said to be considering imposing economic sanctions on Israel over its construction plans in East Jerusalem and the West Bank.

Senior US officials are reportedly engaged in discussions over the possibility of punitive action against Israel over the matter.

According to the Israeli daily Haaretz, Obama administration officials are weighing the option of going beyond issuing mere condemnations so as to stop Israel from going ahead with its settlements plan.

A meeting is believed to have taken place among White House officials just after Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu met US President Barack Obama in Washington in October. The meeting was swiftly followed by a public spat.

Read more: http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/us-considering-economic-sanctions-israel-over-settlement-plans-1478192

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US 'Considering' Economic Sanctions On Israel Over Settlement Plans (Original Post) Purveyor Dec 2014 OP
Good. elleng Dec 2014 #1
... Ykcutnek Dec 2014 #2
About time! BuddhaGirl Dec 2014 #3
Does this mean we can stop sending them money? Chemisse Dec 2014 #4
I'll believe it when it happens, or when the threat causes Israel to change its behavior. Comrade Grumpy Dec 2014 #5
Theatre right? Jesus Malverde Dec 2014 #6
I would be more convinced that this was remotely true if they had a link to Haaretz karynnj Dec 2014 #7
Haaretz: U.S. Mulls Harsher Action Against Settlement Construction Purveyor Dec 2014 #14
Thanks karynnj Dec 2014 #18
Do it! Do it! Do it! mountain grammy Dec 2014 #8
YES! YES! YES! nt Bigmack Dec 2014 #9
If it actually happpens I'll beleve it PFunk Dec 2014 #10
AIPAC says NO! So, it isn't going to happen. BillZBubb Dec 2014 #11
If an 'executive order, pen and a phone' could get the job done perhaps the President Purveyor Dec 2014 #15
That's what he gets for dissing the POTUS. Elmer S. E. Dump Dec 2014 #12
Even my granny, Minnie, would not support Israel over this stuff. I hope we do. roguevalley Dec 2014 #13
I'll see it when I believe it. Odin2005 Dec 2014 #16
That's funny! Derek V Dec 2014 #17
Consider taking back all the nukes we sold/gave them FiveGoodMen Dec 2014 #19
That would take a major miracle. lark Dec 2014 #20
Congress is ALWAYS "considering." They dislike disdain by Israeli leadership. Abusive marriage, ancianita Dec 2014 #21
about time.... Adrahil Dec 2014 #22

Chemisse

(30,813 posts)
4. Does this mean we can stop sending them money?
Fri Dec 5, 2014, 11:13 PM
Dec 2014

I'm not pleased with my tax dollars going to support a brutal occupation.

Jesus Malverde

(10,274 posts)
6. Theatre right?
Fri Dec 5, 2014, 11:33 PM
Dec 2014

Under the Administration of president Obama, Israel has received more economic, military and intelligence aid than ever before.

Our support for the apartheid state is unwavering and we are complicit in their crimes.

karynnj

(59,503 posts)
7. I would be more convinced that this was remotely true if they had a link to Haaretz
Fri Dec 5, 2014, 11:48 PM
Dec 2014

Yet Haaretz is their only source for the story. (I don't know IBT well enough to know if it is good, bad or indifferent as a source itself.)

I have not seen that claim in Haaretz, which is one of the better Israeli news sources and left leaning. Not to mention, they then speak of an October meeting with Netanyahu. Since then more settlements were announced - and there was absolutely no move towards sanctions. (In fact, the US is likely the main force protecting Israel from the UN resolution which we will likely veto.)

The only "proof" beyond that are the routine responses to questions by Marie Harf of the State Department, whose role does not include speaking of things that might happen in the future.

I suggest people also consider the timing. The Parliament has called for new elections and the current government has imploded with Netanyahu firing Livni and Lapid.

 

Purveyor

(29,876 posts)
14. Haaretz: U.S. Mulls Harsher Action Against Settlement Construction
Sat Dec 6, 2014, 03:12 AM
Dec 2014

U.S. President Barack Obama’s administration is examining taking action against the construction in the West Bank and East Jerusalem, rather than making do with issuing denunciatory statements.

Senior Israeli officials said that White House officials held a classified discussion a few weeks ago about the possibility of taking active measures against the settlements.

A few senior American officials approached by Haaretz did not deny this, but refused to disclose more details. National Security Council spokeswoman Bernadette Meehan refused to comment.

A discussion on such a sensitive and politically-loaded issue in the White House is extremely irregular and shows to what extent relations between the Obama administration and Netanyahu government have deteriorated. In recent years European states have imposed increasing sanctions against the construction in the settlements, while the United States has made do with denunciations.

more...

http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/.premium-1.629876

karynnj

(59,503 posts)
18. Thanks
Sat Dec 6, 2014, 01:05 PM
Dec 2014

Last edited Sat Dec 6, 2014, 02:00 PM - Edit history (2)



This is a much better article and it does lay out the WH dilemma well. It may also explain the strange Netanyahu Face the Nation comment that the US was being "anti American" in its calls to end the settlement building.

From the end of the Haartez article , there are 2 paragraphs that speak of the tricky impacts on American and Israeli politics are fascinating.

The White House has not yet decided on steps against the settlements and when, if at all, to carry them out. Significant steps against the settlements may exact a heavy political price from Obama, while symbolic steps would be meaningless and have no effect.

In addition, it isn't yet clear how the decision to hold early elections will affect the White House's decisions regarding the settlements. One of the aspects of this that is being looked into by the U.S. government is whether American action against the settlements at this point would weaken Netanyahu in Israeli public opinion, or do just the opposite, by portraying him as one who doesn’t cave in to international pressure.


What is interesting is that, in fact, Obama has the luxury of not having an election in front of him. Both Obama and Kerry have every right to consider that Netanyahu has never been an honest partner in any negotiations. Add to the fact that he deliberately mischaracterized Obama's and Kerry's positions when they were trying to stop the killing of Palestinians, there is reason to think that they really have been exasperated by Netanyahu forgetting the US is the powerful important ally to Israel - not the other way around.

The second quoted paragraph really does suggest that we might be better not acting before the election. It could cause some to rally around Netanyahu. Though, on the other side, they are seeing Europe, which they have more trade with, talking boycott. It is interesting that they ignored that people like Blair had said that Europe had refrained from doing that when the peace talks started to give them a chance to work - partly at Kerry's request. I wonder if just having articles like this - with no action - might be something that makes them see where this is going - without giving Netanyahu something to make people rally around him.

There is another article that explains Israel's election process, the impact (if any) of GHWB fighting with the Likud Shamir, and argues that the US is better doing nothing - as Netanyahu will use it.

This would be true of any U.S. administration, but is doubly valid in the case of Barack Obama. Rightly or wrongly – the latter in my opinion – most Israelis don’t trust Barack Obama and don’t appreciate the wide-ranging military and diplomatic assistance that his administration has provided Israel during his six years in office. The fact that Netanyahu is personally responsible for creating the public’s distrust of Obama does not detract from the dividends he could reap if Washington is perceived as ganging up him now or cuddling his replacements instead.

As the recent poll published by the Begin-Sadat Center for Strategic Studies proves, despite their lack of enthusiasm for Obama, Israelis hold relations with the United States in high regard. When the wavering voters who are going to decide these elections will weigh the alternatives, they might bear in mind that Netanyahu is more than likely to clash with Obama for another two years at least. This consideration could influence them, provided the administration does not go out of its way to prove the point. Then, the gut Israeli instinct of “no one will tell us what to do” will set in, and the short-term reaction will be to go the opposite way, in Netanyahu’s direction.

So the best advice for the administration in the 100 or so days left before the elections is: Hands off, do nothing. Don’t rock the boat. If Israel tries to provoke you by announcing new building in settlements, for example, don’t play dead, of course, but don’t go overboard either. This is not the time to consider sanctions or any other punitive steps, unless, of course, you’re rooting for Bibi.

The same is true of the American vote at the Security Council on the Palestinian proposal to establish a “date certain” for an Israeli withdrawal to the 1967 borders. The best option would be if Washington could persuade the Palestinians to postpone, but failing that Washington should veto the proposal even if it had previously planned otherwise. An abstention in the weeks before Israelis go to the polls would allow Netanyahu to whip up enough public hysteria over perfidious Obama that could potentially prove decisive. He will already be milking the administration’s efforts to dissuade the newly-Republican Senate from imposing new sanctions on Iran for all their worth; a Security Council decision in favor of the Palestinians would be the frothing, an added bonus for Bibi.


http://www.haaretz.com/blogs/west-of-eden/.premium-1.630240

Up to the last paragraph, I get what he is saying. In the last paragraph, I seriously disagree. The fact that he is already using AIPAC and the Senate to try to derail US policy on Iran (and really the ME as a whole), there has to be a point where we say "no". I wonder if rather than postponing, we try to get the Palestinians to write something that is as moderate as it can be and still call for a Palestinian state -- and have the US point out that it is in agreement with Israel's PUBLIC position - a two state solution and either vote for it (preferably) or abstain.

I don't know what this writer's positions are - and Haaretz has a wonderful range of journalists writing for it. I do think that, in general, as happens in many countries, they over rate Israel's position in the world - and especially vis a vis the US. (ie I don't recall many cautionary articles that perhaps their President should NOT have been so obviously on Romney's side.) One writer recently even argued that Obama measures himself against Netanyahu - (implicitly the view was that he did not measure up.)

PFunk

(876 posts)
10. If it actually happpens I'll beleve it
Fri Dec 5, 2014, 11:57 PM
Dec 2014

But about f'ing time if it does go down.

Now how about we cut them off cold turkey.

 

Purveyor

(29,876 posts)
15. If an 'executive order, pen and a phone' could get the job done perhaps the President
Sat Dec 6, 2014, 03:17 AM
Dec 2014

could tell AIPAC to rightfully "piss off"?

Not like President Obama needs 'their' support at this stage of his Presidency.

Perhaps the designation as "foreign lobbyist' should be in order if the President decides?

 

Elmer S. E. Dump

(5,751 posts)
12. That's what he gets for dissing the POTUS.
Sat Dec 6, 2014, 01:06 AM
Dec 2014

The Nut & Yahoo dude is a terrorist in his own right. I don't think we should be giving any support to terrorists.

FiveGoodMen

(20,018 posts)
19. Consider taking back all the nukes we sold/gave them
Sat Dec 6, 2014, 01:11 PM
Dec 2014

and never giving them a god-damned penny ever again.

lark

(23,102 posts)
20. That would take a major miracle.
Sat Dec 6, 2014, 02:46 PM
Dec 2014

We always just bow to the bully Israel and give their murderous government whatever they want. They lie, cheat, stab us in the back with no repercussions. I'd love to see Obama actually severely reduce their monthly shipments of military aid until the illegal stealing of Arab land stops, but would be shocked to see it. Somehow Israel has become the sacred cow of American politics.

ancianita

(36,060 posts)
21. Congress is ALWAYS "considering." They dislike disdain by Israeli leadership. Abusive marriage,
Sat Dec 6, 2014, 03:21 PM
Dec 2014

this whole biblical and political narrative.

 

Adrahil

(13,340 posts)
22. about time....
Sat Dec 6, 2014, 03:35 PM
Dec 2014

They do whatever the hell they want, show our leadership disrespect, and stand there with their hands out.


NOPE.

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