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Newsjock

(11,733 posts)
Thu Nov 20, 2014, 01:26 AM Nov 2014

California revenue projected to exceed budget estimates by $2 billion

Source: Sacramento Bee

Barring a stock market slump that drags down the state’s economy, California budgets will run surpluses through the end of the decade even as temporary tax increases phase out over the coming years, the Legislature’s nonpartisan fiscal analyst said Wednesday.

The fiscal outlook by the Legislative Analyst’s Office also projects that the state will take in $2 billion more in revenue through June than lawmakers expected when they approved the current budget plan. All of the increase will be absorbed by the state’s voter-approved constitutional funding guarantee for schools and community colleges.

And the state is on pace to have $4.2 billion in reserves by June 2016 under Proposition 2, the rainy-day reserve passed by voters earlier this month.

Read more: http://www.sacbee.com/news/politics-government/capitol-alert/article4016095.html

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California revenue projected to exceed budget estimates by $2 billion (Original Post) Newsjock Nov 2014 OP
Governor Brown is a brilliant man. ffr Nov 2014 #1
+1 CountAllVotes Nov 2014 #8
Brown + Democratic Leadership in the Assembly and Senate Auggie Nov 2014 #12
And California was brilliant to elect him bhikkhu Nov 2014 #20
"Barring a stock market slump..." Psephos Nov 2014 #2
Meaning, barraing a reduction in personal and corporate earnings as well as sales. JDPriestly Nov 2014 #24
Here is the problem... Psephos Nov 2014 #30
We shall see. Of course, if the economy crashes, the tax revenue will decline, but we are still JDPriestly Nov 2014 #31
Weren't we just knee deep in debt before Brown? C Moon Nov 2014 #3
Yup, and Ahnold's answer was to DOUBLE the fees at the DMV. Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2014 #4
Yes. I'd forgotten about that. C Moon Nov 2014 #15
Republicans love debt. bemildred Nov 2014 #11
True C Moon Nov 2014 #14
does this mean we have to start bailing out Kansas JI7 Nov 2014 #5
That's the American way these days DFW Nov 2014 #6
+1 Blue_Tires Nov 2014 #22
... YvonneCa Nov 2014 #25
Kansas should be left to fail greymattermom Nov 2014 #7
Great news, and I hope that means the 7% cut to IHHS checks will be rescinded ASAP... deurbano Nov 2014 #9
Don't forget which Republican scumbag was behind it SwankyXomb Nov 2014 #17
We have a surplus in Minnesota, too. Odin2005 Nov 2014 #10
Hey Repugs, I thought California was a "failed state"? Dopers_Greed Nov 2014 #13
Everybody's leaving...I heard that from a teabagger at dinner the other night BeyondGeography Nov 2014 #28
And the half-dozen friends I have... Dopers_Greed Nov 2014 #33
Bipartisan Triumph hollowdweller Nov 2014 #16
In 2010 when other states swept baggers into office onecaliberal Nov 2014 #19
Exactly. n/t YvonneCa Nov 2014 #26
Can they use some of that to extend unemployment benefits? DesertDiamond Nov 2014 #18
The problem is we still arent covering the neccesities. ripcord Nov 2014 #21
That is true. But moving in the right... YvonneCa Nov 2014 #27
Republican whinery Cartoonist Nov 2014 #23
Then the state needs to stop jacking up college tuition costs. n/t Comrade Grumpy Nov 2014 #29
All is great, provided you ignore billions in unfunded obligations. Throd Nov 2014 #32

ffr

(22,670 posts)
1. Governor Brown is a brilliant man.
Thu Nov 20, 2014, 01:47 AM
Nov 2014

If his policies were to continue the state could be financially independent and they could begin lining the streets with gold.

I wish we had his wisdom here in my state. Instead we have a Republis politician.

CountAllVotes

(20,870 posts)
8. +1
Thu Nov 20, 2014, 07:20 AM
Nov 2014

I've been admiring his skills/abilities for years now.

We love our Jerry Brown in California!!! Jerry Brown!!!

& recommend.

bhikkhu

(10,716 posts)
20. And California was brilliant to elect him
Fri Nov 21, 2014, 02:20 AM
Nov 2014

credit where credit's due.

We have a pretty good governor here in Oregon and things aren't bad, but (I have to say) he hasn't worked any similar miracles that I've heard of.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
24. Meaning, barraing a reduction in personal and corporate earnings as well as sales.
Sun Nov 23, 2014, 07:02 AM
Nov 2014

Our tax revenues in California come from income including corporate income taxes and sales taxes as well as fees.

California raised taxes on everyone but especially on the very top earners.

Compare to Kansas. Kansas lowered taxes and has severely declining tax revenues.

Who is smarter? California where we pay our bills or Kansas where they are having to cut important expenditures?

Schwarzenegger left a fiscal mess for Brown to clean up.

That is typical. A Republican, even a liberal one, can't pay the bills. Bring in a Democrat and the Democrat pays the bills.

Obama has also reduced the problems with our federal budget and deficits.

Elect Democrats if you want good fiscal management in government.

Psephos

(8,032 posts)
30. Here is the problem...
Sun Nov 23, 2014, 10:17 PM
Nov 2014

The income of top earners and corporations is highly cyclical.

We've had a five-year bull market in stocks and financial assets that has been fueled by unprecedented fake money (or "quantitative easing&quot injections by the Fed, and unprecedented budget deficit spending by the USG. The underlying business fundamentals come nowhere near justifying the speculative run-up in the so-called "markets." The game is rigged, and the one-percenters who are stripping wealth from it know it, nod to it, fear it...and keep trying to get what they can while they can.

Government and particularly Fed actions have created super-bubbles that cannot be sustained, because there is no actual physical wealth creation driving the prices up.

This is why tax revenues are fatter these days.

C.f. 2008 for an idea of what happens when the carousel stops. (Or take a look at Japan.)

The fundamentals are now and will be far worse in 2015 than in 2008, and the Fed and the USG are, comparatively speaking, out of ammo to deal with the next crisis.

I agree with your political observations, but not with your argument about what has driven tax revenues the past few years. The financial economy is just a big financial Potemkin village.

When the music stops, so will tax collections, by catastrophic amounts. Our short-sighted governments, from local all the way to federal, have no rainy day funds, but constantly accelerating obligations. Not hard to see what will happen then.

The red team vs. blue team paradigm is not helpful here. A cabal of elites push that mindset on us un-elites, because it diverts attention from them and their usurpation of power and their steady parasitic drain of honestly earned money and assets from the true wealth and value creators of the world. They laugh at us trying to see which jersey someone is wearing.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
31. We shall see. Of course, if the economy crashes, the tax revenue will decline, but we are still
Mon Nov 24, 2014, 03:26 AM
Nov 2014

better off than we would have been without the tax increases. Brown requested passage of a proposition that would establish some savings for California. I believe it passed, but I am not sure.

bemildred

(90,061 posts)
11. Republicans love debt.
Thu Nov 20, 2014, 12:03 PM
Nov 2014

Last edited Thu Nov 20, 2014, 01:27 PM - Edit history (1)

It justififies their attempts to hamstring the government so that it cannot interfere with the rich.

DFW

(54,384 posts)
6. That's the American way these days
Thu Nov 20, 2014, 05:14 AM
Nov 2014

If your Republican leaves you a fiscal mess, call a Democrat to fix it, then trash him for doing it, and then elect another Republican to bring back the mess for God and country.

Well, unless you're Kansas, I mean.

greymattermom

(5,754 posts)
7. Kansas should be left to fail
Thu Nov 20, 2014, 06:18 AM
Nov 2014

There needs to be one strong example of the reality of these low tax policies. Kansas will become the ultimate moocher, as they sometimes call it. We'll just have to figure out a different way to get to Denver.

deurbano

(2,895 posts)
9. Great news, and I hope that means the 7% cut to IHHS checks will be rescinded ASAP...
Thu Nov 20, 2014, 11:24 AM
Nov 2014

Tough hit to a vulnerable population.

SO nice to have California back on track. It was pure Republican deviousness that put that last joker in office. (At least, this time we didn't inflict him on the rest of the country-- and world!)

SwankyXomb

(2,030 posts)
17. Don't forget which Republican scumbag was behind it
Thu Nov 20, 2014, 09:03 PM
Nov 2014

Darrell Issa got Gray Davis booted out of office in the hopes of taking the Governorship for himself, only to be sandbagged by Ahnold.

Odin2005

(53,521 posts)
10. We have a surplus in Minnesota, too.
Thu Nov 20, 2014, 11:59 AM
Nov 2014

Unfortunately the Pukes took back the state House, so bye-bye surplus and welcome back state government shutdowns.

Dopers_Greed

(2,640 posts)
13. Hey Repugs, I thought California was a "failed state"?
Thu Nov 20, 2014, 12:50 PM
Nov 2014

Nope.

It's actually the states run by baggers that are failing.

But don't tell the M$M this.

BeyondGeography

(39,374 posts)
28. Everybody's leaving...I heard that from a teabagger at dinner the other night
Sun Nov 23, 2014, 11:45 AM
Nov 2014

Except for the 38 million people who live there.

Dopers_Greed

(2,640 posts)
33. And the half-dozen friends I have...
Mon Nov 24, 2014, 01:34 PM
Nov 2014

Who have moved there over the last few years from Texas.

None have returned.

 

hollowdweller

(4,229 posts)
16. Bipartisan Triumph
Thu Nov 20, 2014, 02:06 PM
Nov 2014

All it took was the voters coming together and kicking enough republicans out of office so they could get things done.

onecaliberal

(32,861 posts)
19. In 2010 when other states swept baggers into office
Thu Nov 20, 2014, 10:37 PM
Nov 2014

We in California, elected a Dem super majority. 6 months later California was out of debt with a plan to create a surplus.

ripcord

(5,399 posts)
21. The problem is we still arent covering the neccesities.
Fri Nov 21, 2014, 11:42 AM
Nov 2014

Public employee penions are underfunded by billion, UC tuition is going up 25% over the next 5 years and our infrastructure is horrible. I think Jerry Brown has done a great job but people are talking like the job is finished when it has barely begun.

YvonneCa

(10,117 posts)
27. That is true. But moving in the right...
Sun Nov 23, 2014, 11:38 AM
Nov 2014

...direction is helpful. Jerry did so. Arnold didn't. 😉

Cartoonist

(7,316 posts)
23. Republican whinery
Fri Nov 21, 2014, 04:09 PM
Nov 2014

I still occasionally see a LTTR bemoaning the loss of a two party system in California. Nevermind it was republican obstructionism that even hindered Arnold from getting anything done.

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