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7962

(11,841 posts)
Tue Nov 18, 2014, 09:07 AM Nov 2014

Palestinians kill four in Jerusalem synagogue attack

Source: Reuters

(Reuters) - Two Palestinians armed with a meat cleaver and a gun killed four people in a Jerusalem synagogue on Tuesday before being shot dead by police, the deadliest such incident in six years in the holy city amid a surge in religious conflict.

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu pledged to respond with a "heavy hand", and again accused Western-backed Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas of inciting violence in Jerusalem.

Abbas condemned the attack, which comes after a month of unrest fueled in part by a dispute over Jerusalem's holiest shrine.

A worshipper at the morning service in the Kehillat Bnei Torah synagogue in an ultra-Orthodox neighborhood of West Jerusalem said about 25 people were praying when shooting broke out.

Read more: http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/11/18/us-mideast-palestinians-israel-idUSKCN0J20E220141118

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Palestinians kill four in Jerusalem synagogue attack (Original Post) 7962 Nov 2014 OP
Lapid calls for home demolitions ‘tonight’ (from the moderate yesh atid party) azurnoir Nov 2014 #1
So what now. More collective punishment? More unlawful settlements=more resentment and violence. kelliekat44 Nov 2014 #2
Post removed Post removed Nov 2014 #11
No, if they do that, the Israelis would have no reason to show restraint. 7962 Nov 2014 #15
"their families" too? Ash_F Nov 2014 #17
There is some history to that statement. NutmegYankee Nov 2014 #19
Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2014 #21
Palestinian stupidity cosmicone Nov 2014 #3
As Abba Eban said iandhr Nov 2014 #5
Kind of tough to expect leftynyc Nov 2014 #4
You are 100% right. iandhr Nov 2014 #6
Of course, Hamas had nothing to do with this attack. The attackers were PFLP guys. Comrade Grumpy Nov 2014 #7
Of course, Hamas praised this attack. onenote Nov 2014 #8
Hear hear! n/t Mugu Nov 2014 #16
Palestinians celebrate the crime and make posters Mosby Nov 2014 #9
I wish I didnt see that. Rhinodawg Nov 2014 #13
...and to add insult to injury... PCIntern Nov 2014 #20
I wondered what the repercussions from murdering hundreds of your neighbors innocent children 4now Nov 2014 #10
+1 Lost In America Nov 2014 #12
They murdered the Jewish Rabbis and policeman to "defend" al-Aska mosque Mosby Nov 2014 #14
Will this get them what they want? leftynyc Nov 2014 #18
Well actually... Feron Nov 2014 #22
. Rhinodawg Nov 2014 #23

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
1. Lapid calls for home demolitions ‘tonight’ (from the moderate yesh atid party)
Tue Nov 18, 2014, 09:43 AM
Nov 2014

“We must take tougher measures, including those we have not taken before,” Finance Minister Yair Lapid (Yesh Atid) says.

“The houses of these terrorists must be demolished tonight, and the terrorists that set out to commit terror attacks must know that they will not return to them alive. We will spare nothing, we will act with a heavy hand in Jerusalem, we will not allow this to continue.”

Lapid echoes other Israeli leaders in blaming incitement by Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas for the attack and adds, “Everything is on the table… they must know that neither they, nor their families, nor anybody else will escape unscathed from this kind of murder.”

http://www.timesofisrael.com/jerusalem-terror-attack-leaves-four-dead/#ixzz3JQYGQQUp

 

kelliekat44

(7,759 posts)
2. So what now. More collective punishment? More unlawful settlements=more resentment and violence.
Tue Nov 18, 2014, 01:07 PM
Nov 2014

There is no answer in collective punishment. There is no answer in more violence against Israelis. The only answer is Palestinian state, end to occupation. Israel know full well that building more settlements will spark just what it has and this gives them an excuse for more genocide against the Palestinians.

Response to kelliekat44 (Reply #2)

 

7962

(11,841 posts)
15. No, if they do that, the Israelis would have no reason to show restraint.
Tue Nov 18, 2014, 09:05 PM
Nov 2014

If they started wide spread attacks on non-military personnel, then the Israelis would likely would wipe out the palestinians for good.

NutmegYankee

(16,199 posts)
19. There is some history to that statement.
Wed Nov 19, 2014, 06:59 AM
Nov 2014

Back when there were more suicide bombings, Hamas and similar groups often promised those about to commit the attack that if they went through with it that their families would be taken care of. The Israelis responded by trying to make the family miserable and homeless to dissuade further attacts.

That said, it does appear this one is pure vengeance.

Response to Ash_F (Reply #17)

 

cosmicone

(11,014 posts)
3. Palestinian stupidity
Tue Nov 18, 2014, 01:26 PM
Nov 2014

Just as things are going their way with Sweden recognizing the Palestinian state, EU about to do so, support from David Cameron and Obama making stronger statements against settlements,

stupid Palestinians have to resort to terrorism and killing of innocent people ... to what end?

I sometimes feel that religion makes some people choose violence over happiness and peace.

iandhr

(6,852 posts)
5. As Abba Eban said
Tue Nov 18, 2014, 01:29 PM
Nov 2014

they never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity.

"I sometimes feel that religion makes some people choose violence over happiness and peace."

I agree with you 100% this is the understatement of the year.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
4. Kind of tough to expect
Tue Nov 18, 2014, 01:27 PM
Nov 2014

Americans to get onboard with the Palestinian cause with crap like this going around:

http://www.jpost.com/Arab-Israeli-Conflict/Hamas-affiliated-social-media-abuzz-with-cartoons-glorifying-Jerusalem-terror-attack-382152

Hamas affiliated social media exploded Tuesday with violent and anti-Semitic cartoons praising the terrorist attack that killed four people Tuesday morning at a synagogue in Jerusalem.

The two Palestinian terrorists from east Jerusalem armed with a gun and axes, attacked worshipers after entering a synagogue on Agasi Street in the capital's Har Nof neighborhood.

One of the cartoons showed a bloody meat cleaver, such as the one used in Tuesday's attack, with images of the Dome of the Rock and al-Aksa Mosque in the reflection, saying "for you oh Aksa," and in big black letters "Jerusalem resists."


This is what the people in Gaza elected. For anyone who can't understand why support for Israel remains so high in the US, they need look no further than this.

 

Comrade Grumpy

(13,184 posts)
7. Of course, Hamas had nothing to do with this attack. The attackers were PFLP guys.
Tue Nov 18, 2014, 02:26 PM
Nov 2014

Palestinian Front for the Liberation of Palestine, a Marxist national liberation group.

I think we may be seeing a third intifada getting underway. Netanyahu can blame the Palestinians all he wants, but he needs to look in the mirror.

onenote

(42,705 posts)
8. Of course, Hamas praised this attack.
Tue Nov 18, 2014, 02:45 PM
Nov 2014

Mushir al-Masri, a Hamas spokesman, wrote in a Facebook post: “The new operation is heroic and a natural reaction to Zionist criminality against our people and our holy places. We have the full right to revenge for the blood of our martyrs in all possible means.”

PCIntern

(25,553 posts)
20. ...and to add insult to injury...
Wed Nov 19, 2014, 07:51 AM
Nov 2014

look at all the posts about this horror in GD.

People are just falling all over each other to condemn this here... again...

Recall the legitimate outrage when that Jewish fellow went into the mosque years ago and killed those people.

Now compare and contrast...

4now

(1,596 posts)
10. I wondered what the repercussions from murdering hundreds of your neighbors innocent children
Tue Nov 18, 2014, 07:59 PM
Nov 2014

would be.
It looks like we are going to find out.

Mosby

(16,317 posts)
14. They murdered the Jewish Rabbis and policeman to "defend" al-Aska mosque
Tue Nov 18, 2014, 08:49 PM
Nov 2014

from Jews who want to pray near there.

The Palestinian street is enraged that Jews want to pray at the Temple Mount, their holiest site in the world.

Kerry blamed the attack on Palestinian calls for "days of rage," and said Palestinian leaders must take serious steps to refrain from such incitement. He also urged Palestinian leaders to condemn the attack "in the most powerful terms."

-snip-

Much of the recent violence stems from tensions surrounding the Jerusalem holy site referred to by Jews as the Temple Mount because of the Jewish temples that stood there in biblical times. It is the most sacred place in Judaism; Muslims refer to it as the Noble Sanctuary, and it is their third holiest site, after Mecca and Medina in Saudi Arabia.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/11/18/jerusalem-attack-americans-briton_n_6177266.html
 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
18. Will this get them what they want?
Wed Nov 19, 2014, 06:03 AM
Nov 2014

Or make things worse? Maybe it's time for people to ask themselves that question rather than showing the world the pictures like in the post above - giving out candy and celebrating killers. THIS is why American support for Israel remains so high. And let's remember they're doing this while begging the world to recognize them as a state. Do you think this will help that cause?

Feron

(2,063 posts)
22. Well actually...
Wed Nov 19, 2014, 05:02 PM
Nov 2014

a lot of that support comes from end-timer Christians who don't give a flying fuck about Jews and residual WWII guilt. I actually see that support waning quite a bit which is good because religious beliefs and guilt are a terrible basis for foreign policy.


And yes the Palestinians celebrating the murders and murderers are assholes. I don't see how murdering Jews is going to help the Palestinian cause any more than tearing down the homes of Palestinian suspects helps Israel's cause. Both sides are locked in a cycle of hatred and violence that they both perpetuate.

Quite frankly I only feel sorry for the regular people that just want to live in peace on both sides. The fanatics can't die off soon enough.

I still say there ought to be a PPV event and maybe call it the "Religious Rumble" "Holy Wars" or something. Gather up all your Holy Land fighters, send them to an island, give them all a gun, and the last Jew, Christian, or Muslim standing gets that piece of desert as a prize. It's a can't lose situation.



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