Edinboro University, PA Shooting

[ebbie15644]

Source: KDKA News

PITTSBURGH (KDKA) – Edinboro University has been put on lockdown following a shooting near campus

Read more: http://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2014/11/17/edinboro-university-on-lock-down-following-shooting/?src=fb

[femmocrat]

1. Thank you.

Hope they find the shooter and everything normalizes soon.

[ebbie15644]

3. Me too. What is sad is that

no one has the will to do anything about this.

[RufusTFirefly]

2. One nation, under lockdown

This scenario is becoming frighteningly familiar.

[joglee]

4. near campus

Not sure if it is a college shooting. Could be any number of things, but it looks like they were put on lockdown as a precaution.

Also no reports of anyone shot yet.

[ebbie15644]

6. According to Twitter

someone is dead in an off campus shooting. Don't know if it was a student or not

[joglee]

7. thanks

Local news is still reporting alleged atm. Hopefully they update us soon.

[Botany]

5. I hate the NRA, gun humpers, and politicians who will not do anything about all these....

.... freaking guns.

More guns = more gun deaths

[GGJohn]

9. What would you suggest they do about all these freaking guns?

There are more than 300 million firearms in private hands, what would you do?

[Botany]

10. Fly in UN Troops in black helicopters and have them raid the homes of these crazy ass .....

..... gun humpers and take their guns from them.

[JDDavis]

12. I think that's a little extreme, how about we just

require them to have mental health checkups every month of the year?

If they pass, they can keep their guns for another month. If they don't show up for the mental health checkup, they can't keep their guns.

Also, universal background checks and only people who have actually been to war and fought in a battle with their guns can keep them or buy more?

Eighteen year-olds that can buy guns at gun shows or over the internet, probably needs to stop happening, but don't ask any Republican (and few Democrats) to agree with that reasonable restriction.

[GGJohn]

17. Mental health check ups every month? NO.

Universal background checks are fine with me, but the rest of your sentence? NO.
18 yo can't legally buy a gun at a gun show and unless it's a person to person sale, it still has to have a BGC, and internet sales of firearms still have to have a BCG done through an FFL holder.

[JDDavis]

19. I think you are seriously under-informed as to how criminals and nuts get guns

Back ground checks are NOT performed at many gun shows. They actually advertise themselves as a chance for "gun-owners" to "legally" sell their weapons to "other gun enthusiasts".

In my state, it is legal for 18 year-olds to own a gun, a rifle, even a semi-automatic weapon.

We will never stop the underground sales of weapons, but the 18-22 year old that thinks Obama is from Satan, or some stupid thinking shit like that...

Most of those crazies can find a weapon within a day or two of internet searching.

[GGJohn]

20. I think you don't know what you're talking about.

Unless it's a private person sale at a gun show, all sales are subject to a background check, the vast majority of those selling firearms at a gun show are FFL dealers and are bound by federal law to have a customer fill out a form 4473 and call in for a BGC, there are no exceptions for dealers.

I should have clarified, 18 yo's can buy rifles and shotguns, but one has to be 21 to legally buy a handgun.

Anyone can find a weapon on the internet, but it still has to have a BGC through a dealer if it's an interstate sale.

[JDDavis]

21. Many "gun show" sales happen OUTSIDE of the show..or

in hours before or after the show, "PRIVATE" sales.

I live in New England, I can go to 5 other states, (no, six, including NY) within two hours. 2 of them do not require background checks for private sales.

[GGJohn]

22. And if you cross the state line, you've just committed a federal offense,

which can net you a stay in club fed for 10 years.

[JDDavis]

25. How many people in prison for that offense?

I bet you would be hard to find one or two in "club fed", out of 300 million Americans.

You actually think federal regulations stop criminals and crazy nut Republicans and Tea baggers from buying guns any way they want to?

[GGJohn]

26. You think your proposals will stop any determined criminal from getting a firearm?

I'll bet the majority of Repubs, Dems, Ind. buy their firearms legally, while a small segment of the population acquire them illegally.

[JDDavis]

27. I actually think anyone who owns a gun should not hold public office.

I think most Republicans are crazy, or simply very poorly educated, and they are most of the victims of deadly shootings in their own homes.

A "determined criminal" needs to be locked up for 20-30 years as soon as s/he commits his/her first crime.

Mental health exams for everyone who can legally own a gun, with appropriate follow-up treatment for those on the edge of sanity, then look at the records of other nations in the world.

Canada: about 1 gun death for every 1000 here in the USA, of course they are only one tenth the population of the USA, so they should have one gun death for every 100 here in the USA, somehow that does not quite compute right. The UK, about 1 gun death for every 1,200 in the USA, and the UK has about 1/3 of the population of the USA, so that somehow does not compute right either. You get my point. Giving people the rights to own guns so freely as we do here in the USA, 100's of times more rights than in Canada, the UK, France, Germany, Japan, etc. We seem to get more gun deaths,

because people who want guns want to kill people with those guns.

[GGJohn]

28. I own guns, I want to be able to own more guns if I so choose, but I have no desire to kill people

with those guns, and neither do 99.9% of gun owners.

The only thing my guns do is kill animals for food, kill predators that go after my livestock and punch holes in paper.

BTW, according to the FBI's UCR, firearms death have been declining since the 70's, the rate has been cut in almost half and the majority of those deaths are suicide, not murder.

Now, I will agree that our mental health system needs a massive overhaul to help those in need, but requiring a mental health check every month to own a firearm ain't gonna fly ever in this country and I would be opposing it with fiber in my body.

[GGJohn]

16. I meant a serious solution.

What you propose would start a war on American soil, result in the fastest impeachment of a President in the history of this nation.

And just in case you're serious, most of the firearms in this country aren't registered, so how would they know what homes to raid?

[Botany]

18. "so how would they know what homes to raid?"

Send agents to spy @ gun shows, hunting clubs, and get the NRA's list of
members ..... and then go pick them up @ 4:00 AM as they sleep. Tranquilizer
guns might be needed too.

Then take their "sweet shooting irons" and melt them on the spot with a
movable blast furnace as they cry and whimper about their 2nd amendment
freedoms.

Also plant micro chips under their pick ups so we can track them
from outer space w/spy satellites.

We can also put in video monitors* @ store's that sell bullets and reloading
supplies along with tracking online sales by using the NSA's super computers.


* facial recognition software is a must.

or we can keep doing nothing and wait for the 88 mass school shooting ....
I have hunted and owned guns for years but I am sick of all this shit.

[Amishman]

24. this shouldn't even be joked about

Some gun nut probably read this already and is deep in his fantasies about gunning down invading UN troops.

This type of thing should not be even joked about; it just causes them to cling harder, buy more, and reenforces their paranoia.

[Botany]

31. If seeing 20 kids and 3 teachers cut down @ Sandy Hook School doesn't change 'em ....

.... screw them because I am tired of all these needless shootings.

BTW "They" were and are paranoid nut cases with no help vrom me ....

Real conversation w/a gun show going nut ball ..... "I don't want an electric
car because that way Obama can just stop it by remote and get my guns." rough quote

[Feral Child]

29. OK, I really hope you were being sarcastic.

That's the exact scenario that some gun enthusiasts fantasize about.

The reality of this situation is so complex that no reasonable course of action is logistically possible, even in the most unlikely possibility that it would be politically acceptable.

Here are some possible tactics that might get traction:

*Limitation of future firearms sales, requiring much stiffer criteria for purchase.

*A "luxury" type tax for any firearm purchase.

*Establishing national requirements for concealed-carry permits, specifically demonstrating a reasonable need to carry.

*Heavy penalties for any firearm related violations, including mandatory jail-time. That would include carrying a firearm without a permit and an aggravation clause for any crimes committed whilst armed. I think it would be best for all such crimes to be elevated to federal charges.

*A requirement for every purchase to be channeled through a licensed dealer, including the person-to-person sale of a used arm.



Over time, if rigorously enforced, these laws would eliminate the problem through attrition. Over a long period, that is, there is absolutely no workable instant or even quick solution.

Of course, room would have to be made for the incarceration of offenders, but that would be easy if cannabis was decrimmed.

In actuality, my recommendations would solve the logistic problems, but they wouldn't be at all acceptable under present political circumstances. I don't think we'll see any positive changes until open-carry and High Noon street-fights involving collateral damages to the elite become common, and they're so protected the circumstances aren't likely to develop.

My next suggestion is more likely to be embraced: bring back the dueling laws. I'm not being flippant, I think that allowing duels, under very exacting qualifications for safety for those not involved, will curb a lot of the enthusiasm for gunners. It would be necessary to allow open-carry and disallow any concealed weapon permits except for law-enforcement personnel.

Faced with the possibility of actually having to use their guns under equal conditions will take a bunch of the brass out of those that think walking around armed is a good idea.

CAVEAT: I've taken a hefty dose of prescribed medication and might deny responsibility of this post later.

[bluevoter4life]

8. Smdh.....

Or as we refer to it.....Tuesday in America.

[KamaAina]

11. Two of my best friends went to Edinboro

thankfully, one is in Berkeley and the other is in Connecticut.

Of note: Both have disabilities, and were there because Edinboro is the designated accessible campus in the Pennsylvania state university system. One hopes that none of their successors get caught in the crossfire.

[ebbie15644]

14. Yes it is an excellent University for people with disabilities

[JDDavis]

13. I never heard of that university before, and the only reason

I will remember it is because of this kind of craziness.

[happyslug]

15. Here is the Report from the Piitsburgh Post Gazette, the shooting was OFF Campus

http://www.post-gazette.com/local/region/2014/11/17/Edinboro-University-in-lockdown-after-fatal-shooting-near-campus/stories/201411170202

[ebbie15644]

30. Arrest made

http://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2014/11/18/edinboro-university-police-arrest-student-in-fatal-shooting-near-campus/