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Omaha Steve

(99,730 posts)
Thu Oct 30, 2014, 04:58 AM Oct 2014

That Giant Rat Balloon Is Protected by the Constitution

Source: Bloomberg

By Josh Eidelson

The towering rat balloon—six to 25 feet tall, often dubbed “Scabby the Rat”—is a common and sometimes contentious sight. It’s a gimmick used most frequently by unions to protest employers, but the inflated rats have occasionally been used by unions to protest other unions and, in an ironic gesture, by a business group protesting a hearing at the National Labor Relations Board. The rat has seemed a bit worn-out: Last year the AFL-CIO’s Building and Construction Trades Department announced it was officially retiring the balloon rat because it “symbolizes intimidation tactics of 30 years ago.”

Individual unions have kept deploying rogue rats, anyway. As a way to pressure companies and get attention from customers, a giant rodent offers obvious advantages. The symbol is memorable, immediately recognizable, and much cheaper and easier (if less effective) than the hard work of mobilizing a critical mass of human protesters. A federal judge’s decision this week illustrates a further reason that unions resort to the rat: It’s less likely than a picket line to get shut down.

The ruling, by Judge Joseph Bianco of the Eastern District of New York, rejected a request from an asbestos contractor to make local laborers union stop using the rat in a dispute over a supervisor. The inflatable rodent isn’t prohibited by a clause in the company’s contract with the union banning “disruptive activity,” a category that includes strikes, boycotts, and pickets, because the prop isn’t similar to any of those tactics, the judge reasoned. “To hold otherwise would be to prohibit the union from engaging in any speech that is harmful to plaintiff’s business image.”

FULL story at link.



Photograph by Bob Krist/Corbis

Read more: http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2014-10-29/giant-rat-balloon-at-union-protests-is-protected-by-the-constitution

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That Giant Rat Balloon Is Protected by the Constitution (Original Post) Omaha Steve Oct 2014 OP
Except it appears to be on public property Iamthetruth Oct 2014 #1
Republicans also look Feral Child Oct 2014 #2
Sure you could wak by it Iamthetruth Oct 2014 #7
Such hostility towards someone exercising a constitutional right Omaha Steve Oct 2014 #9
Give that a try, will you? Feral Child Oct 2014 #10
Post removed Post removed Oct 2014 #11
You don't belong here. Feral Child Oct 2014 #12
you have "had it done" and "it did not end well for them" Marrah_G Oct 2014 #15
I just received a PM from "iamthetruth" in reference to this topic. The exchange is made public Feral Child Nov 2014 #17
Great job Omaha Steve Nov 2014 #18
Appreciate your response, Omaha Steve. Feral Child Nov 2014 #19
Just FYI: chervilant Nov 2014 #20
Thanks for the heads up. Feral Child Nov 2014 #21
I wonder if the contractor supervisor screwed them over in public too? They wouldn't jtuck004 Oct 2014 #4
"Or, I guess we could piss and moan that people have to step 6" to the right.." mac56 Oct 2014 #6
Plenty of room for pedestrians and the rat. Luminous Animal Oct 2014 #8
Your rights are only absolute in two places...your property, and public property. Xithras Nov 2014 #24
And so it goes: we can have our Bill of Rights in the loopholes Demeter Oct 2014 #3
I have seen different sizes of them deployed here in Philly BumRushDaShow Oct 2014 #5
and here I thought it was a NYC thing nt LiberalElite Oct 2014 #13
As did I. KamaAina Oct 2014 #14
Saw one in Michigan at a protest against Right to Work legislation a couple years ago Cal Carpenter Nov 2014 #22
Pickets and boycotts are protected by the Constitution too. True Blue Door Oct 2014 #16
The inflatable rats are definitely protected under the Constitution, branford Nov 2014 #23

Feral Child

(2,086 posts)
2. Republicans also look
Thu Oct 30, 2014, 06:35 AM
Oct 2014

for any trivial condition they can complain about to stifle dissent.

I think pedestrians can pass behind Scabby. The dude in front of the creature is a picketer, one can see by the union jacket. He's choosing to walk in the street.

Besides, this is a local circumstance and doesn't apply to all Rat displays.

Response to Feral Child (Reply #10)

Feral Child

(2,086 posts)
12. You don't belong here.
Fri Oct 31, 2014, 04:18 PM
Oct 2014

Progressives support unions. You sound like a scab, or, more probably, a straw-boss.

You've "had" it done have you? Hired goons because you're short on testicularity.

Try it yourself. See what happens when you don't have paid goons shielding you.

Feral Child

(2,086 posts)
17. I just received a PM from "iamthetruth" in reference to this topic. The exchange is made public
Sat Nov 1, 2014, 09:18 AM
Nov 2014

below:


From "iamthetruth": There are good unions and bad unions.

> Construction types gouge everyone, including the end user. I never said I was a progressive, I'm a democrat.

My response:

I live in a house built by non-union labor in the South. The workmanship is lousy, the materials very low-grade, including scrap material used in the areas that can't be seen. I've had to replace every bit of the plumbing and electrical components. The A/C unit was a cobbled together heat exchanger.

Time and labor costs for rebuilding this house myself equals many thousands of dollars expended just to render it safe to live in.

THAT'S what you can expect since Reagan's bullshit "Right to Work". Union construction means quality work by apprenticeship-trained journey-men using quality materials and tools.. Only cheapskate, profit-driven Republican con-artists consider that "gouging". You want to keep *your* costs down at the risk of sub-standard buildings that are unsafe to live or work in.

There are no *bad* unions. There are sometimes corrupt union officials, corrupted by Management that will take any avenue, no matter how illegal or immoral, to destroy the ability of the worker to bargain collectively. The unions themselves protect the working men and women, as well as the consumer who purchased the fruits of Labor.

I'm going to publish this exchange in the thread where you've exposed yourself, and I'll thank you not to try to bullshit me by PM anymore. Try to justify your sabotage of Union efforts to force Management to bargain in the open, publicly.

I'm a Union legacy democrat, and and it's my personal belief that you're a Republican and a troll, and I consider a troll on a progressive site to be equivalent to a scab on the worksite.





Feral Child

(2,086 posts)
19. Appreciate your response, Omaha Steve.
Sat Nov 1, 2014, 10:01 AM
Nov 2014

I have great respect for your posts and click on them automatically when I see your screen name.

chervilant

(8,267 posts)
20. Just FYI:
Sat Nov 1, 2014, 02:26 PM
Nov 2014

On Sat Nov 1, 2014, 01:14 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

I just received a PM from "iamthetruth" in reference to this topic. The exchange is made public
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=933998

REASON FOR ALERT

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(I grew up in a family of journeymen, and I can assure you, things were a LOT better for workers when unions thrived.)

Feral Child

(2,086 posts)
21. Thanks for the heads up.
Sun Nov 2, 2014, 05:45 PM
Nov 2014

"iamthetruth" has sent me 2 more PMs, both so incoherent that they need not be shared. I suspect he hit happy hour at the country club. I've saved them to fwd to Admin in case he sends any more, despite my second request that he not contact me by PM.

Not only the workers, things were better for the country and the economy when unions thrived; certainly for the consumer that received quality with their purchases.

 

jtuck004

(15,882 posts)
4. I wonder if the contractor supervisor screwed them over in public too? They wouldn't
Thu Oct 30, 2014, 07:48 AM
Oct 2014

have to be out there if they didn't have a grievance.

Perhaps she or he could come out on that public sidewalk, buy them all lunch, and see if he could get it cleared up.

They they could go out in public, talk about what a fine boss they have, maybe encourage someone to hire them on a new contract, and everyone would do better all around.

Or, I guess we could piss and moan that people have to step 6" to the right so someone else can use the what rights we have left to try and get a fair shake.


choices...

Xithras

(16,191 posts)
24. Your rights are only absolute in two places...your property, and public property.
Mon Nov 3, 2014, 12:49 PM
Nov 2014

If it's speech, then a public sidewalk is a perfectly legitimate place to exercise and spread it. As long as they aren't preventing the rest of the public from using it.

 

Demeter

(85,373 posts)
3. And so it goes: we can have our Bill of Rights in the loopholes
Thu Oct 30, 2014, 06:47 AM
Oct 2014

There's something so terribly wrong about that.

BumRushDaShow

(129,526 posts)
5. I have seen different sizes of them deployed here in Philly
Thu Oct 30, 2014, 08:04 AM
Oct 2014

from the size in the OP photo, to the size that can be loaded on the back of a pickup and driven around. The Carpenter's Union here has been using them the most to
protest the PA Convention Center.

LiberalElite

(14,691 posts)
13. and here I thought it was a NYC thing nt
Fri Oct 31, 2014, 07:01 PM
Oct 2014

I like the rats - very eye catching. Gets passerbys attention.

Cal Carpenter

(4,959 posts)
22. Saw one in Michigan at a protest against Right to Work legislation a couple years ago
Sun Nov 2, 2014, 06:00 PM
Nov 2014

There was a big gathering in Lansing on the day our esteemed governor asshole was signing the bill. Many unions were represented - hundreds of people. And there was a giant inflatable rat.

Oh, and the Koch brothers astroturf group's tent came down on their heads. LOL. Not sure how that happened...

True Blue Door

(2,969 posts)
16. Pickets and boycotts are protected by the Constitution too.
Fri Oct 31, 2014, 08:07 PM
Oct 2014

No matter what any contract, judge, or cop says.

 

branford

(4,462 posts)
23. The inflatable rats are definitely protected under the Constitution,
Sun Nov 2, 2014, 06:29 PM
Nov 2014

so long as they're not placed on private property without permission or otherwise impermissibly block a thoroughfare or create a dangerous condition, such as a safety risk in high winds.

In fact, the rats are ubiquitous here in NYC. So much so, that I think that they've really lost their impact, and possibly even pro-union association. Most native New Yorker's barely notice them in their travels and I've often seen children and tourists pose to take picture with the rats just for fun without ever realizing or caring about the message. I think I agree with the AFL-CIO, it might be time to retire the inflatable rodent.

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