Rangel: ISIS not a direct threat to US

[alp227]

Source: The Hill

Rep. Charles Rangel (D-N.Y.) says that the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria (ISIS) is not a direct threat to U.S. security and is questioning President Obama’s strategy against the terror group.

"I don't see where that's a threat to our national security," Rangel said Thursday on MSNBC, when asked about the group’s advance on the Kurdish town of Kobani in Syria and attacks in Baghdad’s Green Zone.
"No, I don't see it as a threat to our national — there is a cancer in this part of the world, and it is true that America and probably Europe has no idea the depth of feeling and discord in this area for religious reasons," he added.

Rangel said he didn’t see a clear solution for dealing with ISIS.

Read more: http://thehill.com/policy/defense/221654-rangel-isis-not-a-direct-threat-to-us

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[Voice for Peace]

1. How is ISIS getting along with nuclear armed Pakistan?

[cosmicone]

6. Several Pakistani Taliban have already left to join ISIS

Pakistan is most probably arming ISIS to some extent because Taliban is a creation of the Pakistani military.

Pakistani foreign policy is to get relevance and importance for an otherwise banana republic by engaging in whatever outrageous terrorism out there so they keep getting their lunch money from Saudi Arabia.

I wouldn't be surprised at all if Pakistani establishment at all levels supported ISIS.

[Voice for Peace]

8. so in the blink of an eye ISIS can have a nuclear weapon or two?

[cosmicone]

9. Hopefully not.

As much as Pakistani military likes terrorism, it won't part with the couple of nukes it has because they fear a ferocious attack from India any second now that Narendra Modi is India's prime minister.

The military uses (and lets China use them) the stupid cannon fodder terrorists as a thorn in the side of India and the US. It is a win win. Pakistan keeps the US and India on their toes, the dead terrorists get Islamic glory, terrorist leaders get free cannon fodder.

[Comrade Grumpy]

26. Do you have a shred of actual evidence for your claim?

That Pakistan is probably arming ISIS?

That the Pakistani establishment at all levels supported ISIS?

[cosmicone]

28. I am travelling but

Just Google Taliban and ISIS.


if you don't find it, I'll post some links later Sunday.

[Cha]

2. Whatever Rangle.. Jimmy Carter, Bernie Sanders, and Elizabeth Warren among others are with the

the President on this..

"I think we need to attack ISIS. I'm really concerned about them."

"Is the bombing of ISIS justified? I say yes. And I hope President Obama has every possible success in getting allies to join with us, some with ground troops effected inside Syria."

FrodosPet http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5566788

Bernie stands with the President on this "Enormously complicated issue".. as he calls it. He disagrees with staying out of ISIS like some around are clamoring on about.

As he stated it's an "International effort" and guess what.. "they have to put money in it too."

Senator Sanders also said Assad Gassed his own people.. whether the conspiracy theorists around here believe it or not..

Hartman and he talked about one republiCon saying.. they'll "blast him if it doesn't work and ask why he didn't do it sooner if it does." Sounds like a familiar whine.

FrodosPet http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5527989

Sen. Elizabeth Warren says she supports President Obama's decision to authorize airstrikes in Iraq

BOSTON — Warning against a new U.S. war in Iraq, U.S. Sen. Elizabeth Warren on Friday stood by President Barack Obama’s decision to authorize targeted airstrikes to help defend Americans in Erbil, Iraq, and provide aid to a religious minority taking refuge in the Sinjar mountains.

“It’s a complicated situation right now in Iraq and the president has taken very targeted actions to provide humanitarian relief that the Iraqi government requested, and to protect American citizens,” Warren told reporters. “But like the president I believe that any solution in Iraq is going to be a negotiated solution, not a military solution. We do not want to be pulled into another war in Iraq.”


Senator Elizabeth Warren, D-Mass., said she supports president Barack Obama's decision to authorize new airstrikes in Iraq but cautioned against U.S. involvement in a new war in the Middle East.

http://www.masslive.com/politics/index.ssf/2014/08/sen_elizabeth_warren_warns_abo.html

[ozone_man]

3. Well, we sort of created ISIS

through our destruction of Iraq and our war against Syria. And our looking the other way as Saudi Arabia, Turkey, Qatar funded ISIS, or through our own funding and arming of "rebels." Most of these "rebels" turned into ISIS.

It's bizarre, being faced with destroying this mess that we have created. I would ask the deeper questions though, as to what our motive was in creating ISIS, or simply looking the other way and letting it thrive? Bush or Obama doesn't seem to make much difference. It has been ~12 years since the bombs on Iraq fell, half with Bush and half with Obama. Only style differences.

[Cha]

4. Yeah, bush did.. not in my name.

[ozone_man]

12. Obama has not helped though.

He's had six years. ISIS got strong under his watch, and possibly with his aid, covertly of course, letting our allies (Turkey, Saudi Arabia, and Qatar) do the dirty work.

[Cha]

20. President Obama has helped a lot cleaning up Bush's shit.. you can try and blame this on the

President but those shit talking points don't fly with me.

[ozone_man]

21. What has he cleaned up with Iraq or Syria? n/t

[CJCRANE]

13. I agree. It's a mess.

I'm not in the military but I doubt many in the rank and file agree with McCain's desire to put American troops on the ground....to find themselves fighting an enemy that uses American made and supplied weapons.

[ozone_man]

16. At one level I want them

(boots on the ground). and on a larger level, I want us to fix the problem, i.e. bring peace to the middle east, which goes way beyond ISIS situation. It is intertwined with our basic middle east policy, Israel, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Russia, ... It is a proxy war there, and who are the players, the funders, the suppliers of weapons? They all feed into it. It's a mess, but one that we created, long before Bush and long after Obama.

If there were boots on the ground, I'd prefer they'd stick to Iraq and let Syria take care of itself. I think they can do that if the U.S. would just stop supplying weapons to anyone who raises their hand. Or are we just puppets to Saudi Arabia and Israel? In many/most ways, yes.

[adigal]

25. Iraq - hundreds of years of hating each other

and hundreds more to go.

[cosmicone]

7. +1 n/t

[yurbud]

23. endorsements are at best secondary arguments

[arcane1]

27. To be fair, those quotes don't say ISIS is a "direct threat the the US"

They all agree that something must be done, and we should participate, but the Americans being protected are the ones over there.

[cosmicone]

5. I wonder what Rangel is smoking n/t

[imthevicar]

10. This is becaus the CIA

Holds the Purse strings.

[stevenleser]

11. Re: ISIS? Not even close. ISIS has tons of money from stealing from Banks in areas it overran as

well as selling oil now from the oilfields it has overrun. It's very well self funded.

[CJCRANE]

14. Where did they get the weapons

to rampage through Syria?

These guys didn't just pull themselves up by their bootstraps.

Even Joe Biden and various other officials admit that mistakes were made in supplying weapons to the wrong people.

[stevenleser]

15. Mostly from the Iraqi army at this point. nt

[ozone_man]

17. So whose fault is that?

Playing the devil's advocate here. Bush left Iraq in good order. Obama takes over and the Iraqi military gives up the ghost and all of the U.S. military weapons it had? That does not look good on Obama's resume. I can understand how the right wingers might turn this against him, and Democrats in general.

And, a lot of the weapons these jihadis have were captured U.S. weapons given to "free Syria" rebels (many who formed ISIS). And who knows what weapons might have been supplied by our allies in the middle east.

[stevenleser]

18. ISIS' fault. nt

[ozone_man]

19. That's a narrow view. n/t

[imthevicar]

22. Lets not forget where they

Got the Gas from for last years false
flag operation.

[adigal]

24. The rhetoric I heard on the radio from our leaders is similar to after 9/11

"We had better get them over there before they get us over here!!!!!" Run and hide under your beds, because ISIS or ISIL, or whatever the hell they are called, killed two Americans who were over there. So why are we bombing them again?? Is Haliburton in need for some funding?