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Bolo Boffin

(23,796 posts)
Sat Apr 7, 2012, 06:58 PM Apr 2012

Parting Ways (Derbyshire Fired From National Review)

Source: National Review

Derb has long danced around the line on these issues, but this column is so outlandish it constitutes a kind of letter of resignation. It’s a free country, and Derb can write whatever he wants, wherever he wants. Just not in the pages of NR or NRO, or as someone associated with NR any longer.

Read more: http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/295514/parting-ways-rich-lowry



John Derbyshire has been fired from National Review for his odious Talk published in an online magazine.

It took long enough.
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Parting Ways (Derbyshire Fired From National Review) (Original Post) Bolo Boffin Apr 2012 OP
Why did they publish it in the first place? tularetom Apr 2012 #1
National Review didn't publish it - it was on Derbyshire's blog, separate from NR. The Velveteen Ocelot Apr 2012 #3
It was published on TakiMag.com Old and In the Way Apr 2012 #9
"...start-up by some conservative Greek multi-millionaire..." JNelson6563 Apr 2012 #12
I should have put an "lol" on that I think. Old and In the Way Apr 2012 #19
Soros is a Hungarian of Jewish descent n/t RZM Apr 2012 #20
'Taki' is a known racist, who himself has run close to getting sacked for articles muriel_volestrangler Apr 2012 #26
What?! chervilant Apr 2012 #46
Taki? That fawning courtier to Eurotrash? Dominick Dunne without the gravitas? Tom Ripley Apr 2012 #39
Good point Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Apr 2012 #32
Getting fired from the National Review The Velveteen Ocelot Apr 2012 #2
+1 Blue_Tires Apr 2012 #11
He's the guy who openly advocated for the murder of Chelsea Clinton calimary Apr 2012 #36
rich lowry really is a rw wacko wordpix Apr 2012 #38
"I'm shocked! shocked! to find that racist claptrap going on around here!" struggle4progress Apr 2012 #4
No worries Iliyah Apr 2012 #5
Faux news would be a good place for him to drop a resume. Major Nikon Apr 2012 #17
NR's Initial Response Was to Merely Distance Themselves from the Racist Comments indykatie1955 Apr 2012 #6
omg. the irony is simply too much. cali Apr 2012 #7
Good. I was wondering. nt bemildred Apr 2012 #8
What's ironic is the founder of NR was quite a racist himself, William F. Buckley. Old and In the Way Apr 2012 #10
I used to watch a talk show with Buckley regularly. I don't recall hearing anything .... Honeycombe8 Apr 2012 #13
I believe WFB opposed the cicil rights act and supported segregation Adenoid_Hynkel Apr 2012 #16
Back in the day Kelvin Mace Apr 2012 #18
Those aren't facts. nt Honeycombe8 Apr 2012 #29
Is this racist enough for you? Guy Whitey Corngood Apr 2012 #33
Google "Why the South Must Prevail" Old and In the Way Apr 2012 #22
Thanks. I'll look that up. I guess they didn't discuss that in the shows I watched. nt Honeycombe8 Apr 2012 #30
I looked that up. Wow, I had no idea. Honeycombe8 Apr 2012 #35
Buckley later renounced those views nxylas Apr 2012 #40
This is shocking... Kalidurga Apr 2012 #14
One down, most of the rest of the staff to go.... n/t Julian Englis Apr 2012 #15
The only thing worse than Derby's screed Mz Pip Apr 2012 #21
Looks like the comment section has been scrubbed skepticscott Apr 2012 #27
does this man Derbyshire KNOW any black folk? Skittles Apr 2012 #23
Of course he does. Bolo Boffin Apr 2012 #24
Of course he does. Some of his best friends are black. KamaAina Apr 2012 #41
Derbyshite on New Orleans. And this WAS in National Review. KamaAina Apr 2012 #42
I................ER..............OMG Skittles Apr 2012 #43
So can we schedule Derb for an ass-kicking? KamaAina Apr 2012 #44
he is not worthy of a Skttles ass-kicking!!! Skittles Apr 2012 #45
Rufus T. Firefly to John Derbyshire: DeSwiss Apr 2012 #25
Long-Time, Sub-Human Filth. Good Riddance. (n/t) Paladin Apr 2012 #28
Bill Buckley would have fired ALL of the NR staff Typical NYC Lib Apr 2012 #31
Seriously? Old and In the Way Apr 2012 #34
The impression I get reading his Wiki entry fujiyama Apr 2012 #37

tularetom

(23,664 posts)
1. Why did they publish it in the first place?
Sat Apr 7, 2012, 07:21 PM
Apr 2012

WTF? They thought it was worth publishing until people started bitching about it?

Their hypocrisy is almost as bad as Derbyshire's douchebagism.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,836 posts)
3. National Review didn't publish it - it was on Derbyshire's blog, separate from NR.
Sat Apr 7, 2012, 07:23 PM
Apr 2012

If you read the article at the link, they (NR) explain that although it wasn't NR's publication, Derbyshire is known as a NR writer and they didn't want to be associated with what he wrote.

Old and In the Way

(37,540 posts)
9. It was published on TakiMag.com
Sat Apr 7, 2012, 08:08 PM
Apr 2012

Takimag is a new media start-up by some conservative Greek multi-millionaire (not George Soros). Pretty disgusting article, actually. Basically telling his daughters to stay away from any large crowd of blacks. He's a longtime douchebag.

Slightly OT, but check his picture against James O'Keefe...they look like they could be father/son.

JNelson6563

(28,151 posts)
12. "...start-up by some conservative Greek multi-millionaire..."
Sat Apr 7, 2012, 08:47 PM
Apr 2012

Not George Soros? No surprise there, he's not conservative last I heard.

Is it Arianna Huffington?

Julie

Old and In the Way

(37,540 posts)
19. I should have put an "lol" on that I think.
Sun Apr 8, 2012, 12:39 AM
Apr 2012

The guy's name is Taki Theodoracopulos...hence "Taki" magazine. He may have been the founder of American thinker? It's definitely favors the intelectual racist line - Pat Buchanan has a column there.

Actually, I don't think Soros is Greek...I seem to recall he's Eastern European.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,361 posts)
26. 'Taki' is a known racist, who himself has run close to getting sacked for articles
Sun Apr 8, 2012, 06:31 AM
Apr 2012

But in his case, his proprietor, Conrad Black, seemed content to explain at length why he thought it was wrong. From 2001:

The Spectator's social writer, Taki Theodoracopulos, has often graciously referred to me as an indulgent proprietor. Our relations have been cordial for 15 years and we have frequently been each other's guests, have been friendly with each other's spouses and have many mutual friends. Long before I knew him I was aware of his penchant, sometimes entertaining but sometimes excessive, to denigrate certain ethnic groups, most often the Jews. With such a bonhomous character there is a natural tendency to overlook his lapses of judgment and give him the benefit of the doubt that he is only railing against the prissy hypersensitivities of political correctness. It is hard to imagine that a person with whom you are friendly and have had many memorably agreeable times is a racist who wishes and incites violence against innocent people because of their ethnicity or religion….

http://israelinsider.com/Views1/933.htm


The Guardian calling for him to go in 2004 (the editor of The Spectator then was Boris Johnson, now Conservative Mayor of London), now with new owners of the Spectator:

Boris Johnson, who doubles up as MP for Henley and Beano-speaking editor of the Spectator, experienced an uncomfortable few hours yesterday apologising to the people of Liverpool for an insensitive and insulting editorial which appears in the current edition of his magazine. He offered sincere apologies for using "outdated stereotypes" about Liverpudlians and acknowledged the hurt and dismay he had caused. Job done, he hopped on his bike and headed for the train back to Islington.

Boris is a bit of a card and, go on, you can't help loving him. But if he is truly sorry, then one has to ask why he continues to employ Taki, the playboy pundit, who sluices offensive and outdated stereotypes into the pages of the Spectator most weeks. After two girls were shot in Birmingham last year he referred to disaffected young people as "black thugs, sons of black thugs and grandsons of black thugs," adding bravely: "West Indians were allowed to immigrate after the war, multiply like flies and then the great state apparatus took over the care of their multiplications." Boris admitted this was a "terrible" column, but did not actually apologise. The party leader didn't suggest a penitential trip to Brixton.

In Taki's Spectator musings New York Puerto Ricans are spics - "a bunch of semi-savages ... fat, squat, ugly, dusky, dirty." Kenya is labelled "bongo-bongo land" and black men are periodically referred to as "Sambo". Taki is happy to describe himself as "a soi-disant anti-semite" and has gaily written of the world Jewish conspiracy.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2004/oct/21/conservatives.pressandpublishing


And still at it in 2011:

Last week Gunter Sachs, a 78-year-old German photographer, shot himself. Sachs has the enormous misfortune to have Taki Theodoracopulos as his informal obituarist. Taki is a writer – mostly for the Spectator – who fulminates under a byline displaying a small gnome-like creature with a man-tan and seriously over-whitened teeth. He calls Puerto Ricans "semi-savages", thinks Kenya is called "bongo-bongo land" and believes Jews control the world.

Taki is rhapsodising about Sachs because he was, due to inherited wealth and a brief marriage to Brigitte Bardot, an international playboy, like Taki. It is depressing to see this sorry pile of sun-damaged sex addicts have a last media hurrah so I will have a go at them. Taki would expect no less from a lower middle-class Jewish columnist in the Guardian.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/may/16/taki-gunter-sachs-playboys


He spent a few months in prison for smuggling cocaine through Heathrow Airport

This shows one of the basic problems with much of the British right wing (note that Derbyshire himself is British), and The Spectator, a supposedly 'respectable' right wing magazine, in particular - they find racism amusing, and keep racists like Taki and Derbyshire around to annoy normal people.

chervilant

(8,267 posts)
46. What?!
Tue Apr 10, 2012, 11:07 AM
Apr 2012

This is the first time I've seen "the prissy hypersensitivities of political correctness" used to describe the disgust most rational individuals feel about racism.

 

Tom Ripley

(4,945 posts)
39. Taki? That fawning courtier to Eurotrash? Dominick Dunne without the gravitas?
Mon Apr 9, 2012, 08:00 AM
Apr 2012

Man, that's a blast from the past.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,836 posts)
2. Getting fired from the National Review
Sat Apr 7, 2012, 07:21 PM
Apr 2012

means you're WAAAYY out there. Which he was. He actually managed to offend Rich Lowry - the guy who said this about Sarah Palin:

I’m sure I’m not the only male in America who, when Palin dropped her first wink, sat up a little straighter on the couch and said, “Hey, I think she just winked at me.” And her smile. By the end, when she clearly knew she was doing well, it was so sparkling it was almost mesmerizing. It sent little starbursts through the screen and ricocheting around the living rooms of America. This is a quality that can’t be learned; it’s either something you have or you don’t, and man, she’s got it.

I guess Derbyshire has been relegated to the same fringe as Pat Buchanan. Wonder when he'll get an offer from Faux News?

calimary

(81,465 posts)
36. He's the guy who openly advocated for the murder of Chelsea Clinton
Sun Apr 8, 2012, 09:16 PM
Apr 2012

on the premise that - well horror of horrors, she MIGHT someday want to go into politics, and we just simply cannot have another Clinton succeeding in politics. We simply must have that demon seed wiped out.

It was HORRIBLE. He was advocating cold-blooded pre-meditated murder. And no one did anything. Scarcely anyone said anything. And he was allowed to stay on. "Oh, he was JOKING. It was supposed to be FUNNY." Yeah, my ass. Didn't seem like a joke to me!!!

That was years ago. And he's only now getting fired. Un-frickin'-believable. He should have been exiled to some asteroid YEARS ago.

Major Nikon

(36,827 posts)
17. Faux news would be a good place for him to drop a resume.
Sun Apr 8, 2012, 12:16 AM
Apr 2012

They hire toe suckers, convicted felons, and sexual predators. A racist would seem mild by comparison.

indykatie1955

(63 posts)
6. NR's Initial Response Was to Merely Distance Themselves from the Racist Comments
Sat Apr 7, 2012, 07:43 PM
Apr 2012

On reflection I guess Lowry figured that a mere rebuke would not work, especially a mild rebuke.

Old and In the Way

(37,540 posts)
10. What's ironic is the founder of NR was quite a racist himself, William F. Buckley.
Sat Apr 7, 2012, 08:11 PM
Apr 2012

Jonah Goldberg and Ramesh Pomura(?) came out strongly against him yesterday...under the bus for you, Derbs!

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
13. I used to watch a talk show with Buckley regularly. I don't recall hearing anything ....
Sat Apr 7, 2012, 10:54 PM
Apr 2012

that indicated he was a racist. What makes you think that?

 

Kelvin Mace

(17,469 posts)
18. Back in the day
Sun Apr 8, 2012, 12:21 AM
Apr 2012

he was the "polite" voice of segregation, you know, racism in a suit and tie instead of a white hood.

Guy Whitey Corngood

(26,505 posts)
33. Is this racist enough for you?
Sun Apr 8, 2012, 01:52 PM
Apr 2012

A 1957 editorial written by Buckley, "Why the South Must Prevail" (National Review, 8/24/57), cited the "cultural superiority of white over Negro" in explaining why whites were "entitled to take such measures as are necessary to prevail, politically and culturally, in areas where [they do] not predominate numerically." Appearing on NPR’s Fresh Air in 1989 (rebroadcast 2/28/08), he stood by the passage. "Well, I think that's absolutely correct," Buckley told host Terry Gross when she read it back to him.

How about this?

A 1960 National Review editorial supported South Africa’s white minority rule (4/23/60): "The whites are entitled, we believe, to preeminence in South Africa." In a 1961 National Review column about colonialism—which the magazine once called "that brilliantly conceived structure" (William F. Buckley, John Judis)--Buckley explained that "black Africans" left alone "tend to revert to savagery." The same year, in a speech to the group Young Americans for Freedom, Buckley called citizens of the Congo "semi-savages" (National Review, 9/9/61).

National Review editors condemned the 1963 bombing of a black Birmingham Church that killed four children, but because it "set back the cause of the white people there so dramatically," the editors wondered "whether in fact the explosion was the act of a provocateur—of a Communist, or of a crazed Negro" (Chicago Reader, 8/26/05).

Just months before the 1965 Voting Rights Act was passed, Buckley warned in his syndicated column (2/18/65) that "chaos" and "mobocratic rule" might follow if "the entire Negro population in the South were suddenly given the vote." In his 1969 column "On Negro Inferiority" (4/8/69), Buckley heralded as "massive" and "apparently authoritative" academic racist Arthur Jensen's findings that blacks are less intelligent than whites and Asians.


http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=3406



Old and In the Way

(37,540 posts)
22. Google "Why the South Must Prevail"
Sun Apr 8, 2012, 12:55 AM
Apr 2012

This is Buckley's solipsistic treatise on race...an intellectual argument as to why Southern white culture needed to remain dominant over the blacks. You can see the beginnings of the conservative alignment with the Republican "Southern Strategy" in Buckley's writings. Later in life, Buckley moderated his writings on the subject, but he really made his career as a racist rhetorician....not dissimilar to Patrick Buchanan.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
35. I looked that up. Wow, I had no idea.
Sun Apr 8, 2012, 08:58 PM
Apr 2012

While reading up on his ideology, I was looking for statements that softened the blows, explanations, later statements that clarified prior ones making them not as bad as they seemed to be. But no, there's no getting around it. It was like reading a KKK ideology book. Statement after statement of incomprehensible outrageous, blatant racism, that could only serve to beat people down and regard them as less than others.

Wow. Thanks for the info.

 

skepticscott

(13,029 posts)
27. Looks like the comment section has been scrubbed
Sun Apr 8, 2012, 07:46 AM
Apr 2012

What a shock. NRO doesn't want it advertised too blatantly that most of their readers are racists who sympathize with Derbyshire's point of view. Not that it's such a huge secret.

Bolo Boffin

(23,796 posts)
24. Of course he does.
Sun Apr 8, 2012, 02:07 AM
Apr 2012

They are the people constantly wanting to kill him in public places. Easy to pick out. /sarcasm

 

KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
41. Of course he does. Some of his best friends are black.
Mon Apr 9, 2012, 02:37 PM
Apr 2012


Specifically "IWSB's" (Intelligent, Well-Socialized Blacks).

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=533496

(13) In that pool of forty million, there are nonetheless many intelligent and well-socialized blacks. (I’ll use IWSB as an ad hoc abbreviation.) You should consciously seek opportunities to make friends with IWSBs. In addition to the ordinary pleasures of friendship, you will gain an amulet against potentially career-destroying accusations of prejudice.

(14) Be aware, however, that there is an issue of supply and demand here. Demand comes from organizations and businesses keen to display racial propriety by employing IWSBs, especially in positions at the interface with the general public—corporate sales reps, TV news presenters, press officers for government agencies, etc.—with corresponding depletion in less visible positions. There is also strong private demand from middle- and upper-class whites for personal bonds with IWSBs, for reasons given in the previous paragraph and also (next paragraph) as status markers.

(15) Unfortunately the demand is greater than the supply, so IWSBs are something of a luxury good, like antique furniture or corporate jets: boasted of by upper-class whites and wealthy organizations, coveted by the less prosperous. To be an IWSB in present-day US society is a height of felicity rarely before attained by any group of human beings in history. Try to curb your envy: it will be taken as prejudice (see paragraph 13).


If I'm feeling puckish, I'll dredge up Derbyshite's racist rant on New Orleans.
 

KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
42. Derbyshite on New Orleans. And this WAS in National Review.
Mon Apr 9, 2012, 02:47 PM
Apr 2012
http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/219661/big-easy/john-derbyshire

Race. From the tourist’s-eye view, New Orleans is a black city. The servicepeople at the airport, the hotel, concessions, stores, museums, and fast-food outlets are uniformly black. Most of the people you pass on the street, outside the tourist precincts, are black. I think this is the blackest American city I have been in....

What happened to this young couple was unspeakably horrible, and there is of course no excusing such barbarism. It is hard, though, not to shake your head at the couple’s unworldly naivety. What kind of people did they think they were going to encounter when they got down and dirty with “the community”? The Times-Picayune story quoted a neighbor of the couple saying this: “They would never do it, but they should have answered the door with a gun.” Hard to disagree with that — either part of it....

Normally I wouldn’t have indulged this, but heck, it was her birthday. It did make me feel slightly sad, though, that a bright and lively young person, taken to a city with three centuries of history stacked up, should seek out a shopping mall, of the kind that is exactly the same, with the same vendors — Brookstone, Banana Republic — as in every other mall everywhere in the USA. This one didn’t even have a bookstore I could hang out in. Come to think of it, I didn’t see a bookstore the whole two days poking around New Orleans.


He must not have poked very hard. There's one right behind the big cathedral, in the house where Faulkner once lived. And another down the block on Chartres, and...

What a .

Skittles

(153,193 posts)
43. I................ER..............OMG
Mon Apr 9, 2012, 07:28 PM
Apr 2012

I've been to New Orleans three times - wonderful trips - such a rich history in Nawlins - such down to earth people and WOW do they make partying FUN. This guy Derbyshire - I feel he is diseased.

oh and heck yes there were bookstores!!!

 

DeSwiss

(27,137 posts)
25. Rufus T. Firefly to John Derbyshire:
Sun Apr 8, 2012, 02:22 AM
Apr 2012
- ''Don't look now, but there's one man too many in this room, and I think it's you.''

K&R
 

Typical NYC Lib

(182 posts)
31. Bill Buckley would have fired ALL of the NR staff
Sun Apr 8, 2012, 01:48 PM
Apr 2012

He was a conservative, but he wasn't a moron like these jokers.

fujiyama

(15,185 posts)
37. The impression I get reading his Wiki entry
Sun Apr 8, 2012, 09:16 PM
Apr 2012

is that he started out supporting segregation having been raised by southern parents, but his views evolved. He also did denounce the John Birch Society and other such groups in the '60s and debated George Wallace so by the late '60s, it sounds like his views had become more civilized...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_F._Buckley,_Jr.#White_supremacy_in_the_South

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