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Purveyor

(29,876 posts)
Thu Oct 16, 2014, 02:19 PM Oct 2014

FBI Director: Cellphone Encryption Has "Very Serious Consequences"

Source: Associated Press

By ERIC TUCKER and JACK GILLUM | Associated Press | 24 minutes ago

WASHINGTON (AP) — FBI Director James Comey warned in stark terms Thursday against the push by technology companies to encrypt smartphone data and operating systems, arguing that murder cases could be stalled, suspects could walk free and justice could be thwarted by a locked phone or an encrypted hard drive. Privacy advocates called the concerns exaggerated and little more than recycled arguments the government has raised against encryption since the early 1990s.

Likening encrypted data to a safe that cannot be cracked or a closet door that won't open, Comey said the move by tech companies to protect communications in the name of privacy risks impeding a wide range of criminal investigations.

"We have the legal authority to intercept and access communications from information pursuant to court order, but we often lack the technical ability to do so," Comey said in a Brookings Institution speech.

The speech, which echoes concerns he and others in law enforcement have previously made, comes soon after announcement by Apple and Google that their new operating systems will be encrypted, or protected by coding. While the companies' actions are understandable, he said, "the place they are leading us is one we shouldn't go to without careful thought and debate."

Read more: http://www.newser.com/article/91fcd3e2e331491eb4594ea11c79a28f/fbi-director-cellphone-encryption-has-very-serious-consequences.html

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FBI Director: Cellphone Encryption Has "Very Serious Consequences" (Original Post) Purveyor Oct 2014 OP
So, how did the FBI clydefrand Oct 2014 #1
My thought exactly. n/t SpankMe Oct 2014 #7
Wiretaps. former9thward Oct 2014 #20
They Don't Get Court Orders billhicks76 Oct 2014 #25
Back then, they had THESE guys: dogknob Oct 2014 #42
Too damn bad. notrightatall Oct 2014 #2
Cameras and recording microphones are finding their way into our TV sets. Must be why the Feds blkmusclmachine Oct 2014 #22
Exactly billhicks76 Oct 2014 #26
In Soviet America, TV watches YOU. Ampersand Unicode Oct 2014 #34
Call the waaahmbulance.... You'd think after years of excesses and abuse of the system in place hlthe2b Oct 2014 #3
He's slipping Ratty Oct 2014 #4
Fear! Terror! Our 4th Amendment Rights to Privacy in our Persons, Homes and Papers threaten Dont call me Shirley Oct 2014 #5
To be clear.... the 4th applies to UNREASONABLE search and seizure. Adrahil Oct 2014 #6
But they do not have the right of unfettered access to our private papers. They must have a warrant. Dont call me Shirley Oct 2014 #13
Smith v. Maryland definitely needs an update, but business msanthrope Oct 2014 #17
Ok then neither private nor public entities have the right to collect our private phone calls, texts Dont call me Shirley Oct 2014 #29
Well....the text, or substance should require a warrant, but the pen register.... msanthrope Oct 2014 #30
Thanks for the info. I'll read the decision. Dont call me Shirley Oct 2014 #31
Far as I'm concerned, a Word document on my HD counts as private "papers" Ampersand Unicode Oct 2014 #35
Unfortunately, we've already been lead to a fucking place "without careful thought and debate" villager Oct 2014 #8
I guess Mr. Comey has forgotten that here in the US, we have this thing called the Bill of Rights, GGJohn Oct 2014 #9
I don't use Twitter, but... Ampersand Unicode Oct 2014 #39
Personally, I don't care. Their powers need to be checked, period. closeupready Oct 2014 #10
Yes it does... NaturalHigh Oct 2014 #11
Everyone, all together, tell Jimmy Comey to Blow It Out Your Ass. AngryAmish Oct 2014 #12
Just say what is on our collective minds without holding back mrdmk Oct 2014 #19
Dear Mr. Comey: FOAD EOM The Green Manalishi Oct 2014 #14
Posted from my "low-tech" iPad Ampersand Unicode Oct 2014 #38
Oh....so NOW they want a public debate about privacy Lodestar Oct 2014 #15
Jim, it's the Kobayashi Maru. GeorgeGist Oct 2014 #16
Nonsense! It's The Corbomite Maneuver Demeter Oct 2014 #18
Yep, very serious: they won't be able to see what's on my phone. Helen Borg Oct 2014 #21
This is all for show. hughee99 Oct 2014 #23
YOU abused your power.. sendero Oct 2014 #24
Comey Proving He's A Fascist billhicks76 Oct 2014 #27
yeah and locking your front door should also be illegal unblock Oct 2014 #28
Curtains. Envelopes. All passwords. christx30 Oct 2014 #32
Some are born to greatness. Others wear it on the outside of their shorts. Ampersand Unicode Oct 2014 #36
You can lock your front door... Ampersand Unicode Oct 2014 #37
Yes, it will force them to to mandate the implantation of mind probes. /nt Ash_F Oct 2014 #33
Government agencies uber alles FiveGoodMen Oct 2014 #40
Comey has watched too many nilesobek Oct 2014 #41
If they can't get the data through other means then they are the Keystone Cops. LiberalFighter Oct 2014 #43
 

billhicks76

(5,082 posts)
25. They Don't Get Court Orders
Thu Oct 16, 2014, 04:33 PM
Oct 2014

They act like a standing terrorist army letting cops looses on the highways doing one thing and one thing only...looking for drugs and money. They aren't there to protect anyone. The Drug War is a racket and they all get paid fleecing the public. They want to read people's mail and listen to their private conversations and they expect people to go along?

 

blkmusclmachine

(16,149 posts)
22. Cameras and recording microphones are finding their way into our TV sets. Must be why the Feds
Thu Oct 16, 2014, 04:18 PM
Oct 2014

pushed for digital formatting, irregardless of their bullshit lies to the contrary.

 

billhicks76

(5,082 posts)
26. Exactly
Thu Oct 16, 2014, 04:35 PM
Oct 2014

They can use people's private lives as leverage to blackmail them because if you are a judge, attorney, journalist or politician then they have a use for you.

hlthe2b

(102,351 posts)
3. Call the waaahmbulance.... You'd think after years of excesses and abuse of the system in place
Thu Oct 16, 2014, 02:30 PM
Oct 2014

there might be an attempt to present a more compelling case than this.

Ratty

(2,100 posts)
4. He's slipping
Thu Oct 16, 2014, 02:35 PM
Oct 2014

I didn't see any mention in the article about pedophiles and what he's supposed to say to parents who come to him in tears. Won't somebody please think of the children?!!!

Dont call me Shirley

(10,998 posts)
5. Fear! Terror! Our 4th Amendment Rights to Privacy in our Persons, Homes and Papers threaten
Thu Oct 16, 2014, 02:36 PM
Oct 2014

National Security!

We must give up our rights so the FBI and other law agencies don't have to actually WORK!? They can sit on their arses while the NSA sucks and analyzes our 4th Amendment protected private electronic papers.

 

Adrahil

(13,340 posts)
6. To be clear.... the 4th applies to UNREASONABLE search and seizure.
Thu Oct 16, 2014, 02:39 PM
Oct 2014

If the cops have a court order, then they have the right to search. Having said that, I don;t see any obligation for people to make such searches easier... not even actual criminals.

Dont call me Shirley

(10,998 posts)
13. But they do not have the right of unfettered access to our private papers. They must have a warrant.
Thu Oct 16, 2014, 02:55 PM
Oct 2014

Corporations/Government have usurped our right to privacy in our papers. Our electronic devices are our private papers. Whether any private company is has permission to collect our private papers, is a matter for Congress/us to decide. But ANYONE, except for the actual owner of the electronic papers, wanting to look through those papers should need a warrant or permission from the owner/originator of those papers.

Dont call me Shirley

(10,998 posts)
29. Ok then neither private nor public entities have the right to collect our private phone calls, texts
Thu Oct 16, 2014, 05:00 PM
Oct 2014

Emails, Cloud input.

I'll read the Smith v. Maryland decision, although not good with legalese.

 

msanthrope

(37,549 posts)
30. Well....the text, or substance should require a warrant, but the pen register....
Thu Oct 16, 2014, 05:06 PM
Oct 2014

effectively the numbers you dial, or the addresses you send email to, fall under the the business records exception to the 4th amendment. Been that way since Smith.

Ampersand Unicode

(503 posts)
35. Far as I'm concerned, a Word document on my HD counts as private "papers"
Thu Oct 16, 2014, 07:38 PM
Oct 2014

But leave it to the dumbfucks at Big Brother Inc. to throw out the word "effects" (because they don't know what it means) and hone in literally on the word "papers." No, as far as I'm concerned, a blank ream of Hammermill or an empty DVD-RW in my possession is private even though it has nothing on it. The right to privacy is unequivocal and doesn't just kick in when you have "something to hide."

 

villager

(26,001 posts)
8. Unfortunately, we've already been lead to a fucking place "without careful thought and debate"
Thu Oct 16, 2014, 02:45 PM
Oct 2014

And it smacks of totalitarinism.

GGJohn

(9,951 posts)
9. I guess Mr. Comey has forgotten that here in the US, we have this thing called the Bill of Rights,
Thu Oct 16, 2014, 02:46 PM
Oct 2014

and contained in this BoR is this pesky little thing called the 4th Amendment.

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects,[a] against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.


It seems to me that Mr. Comey and the NSA, FBI, CIA, are more of a threat to the American people than any encryption that the telecommunications corps. come up with.

Ampersand Unicode

(503 posts)
39. I don't use Twitter, but...
Thu Oct 16, 2014, 07:49 PM
Oct 2014

Would be nice if someone could start a "viral campaign" to send that very same message over and over again to Comey and anyone else pertinent to this whole thing. (I doubt Comey even has a handle.) I don't have a way of counting characters but just use ellipses if it runs over 140. Hashtag, #4A or #PleadTheFourth or something to that effect.

Want to get really meta, send it to @Twitter.

 

closeupready

(29,503 posts)
10. Personally, I don't care. Their powers need to be checked, period.
Thu Oct 16, 2014, 02:48 PM
Oct 2014

I don't trust the tech companies either, but as long as the argument is out there, that's what I subscribe to.

NaturalHigh

(12,778 posts)
11. Yes it does...
Thu Oct 16, 2014, 02:50 PM
Oct 2014

the FBI might have to work a little harder to do its job AND respect Constitutional rights.

Works for me.

Lodestar

(2,388 posts)
15. Oh....so NOW they want a public debate about privacy
Thu Oct 16, 2014, 03:13 PM
Oct 2014

after taking so many steps over that line without public knowledge.

hughee99

(16,113 posts)
23. This is all for show.
Thu Oct 16, 2014, 04:27 PM
Oct 2014

They're trying to sell the public on the idea that they can't figure out the encryption. When the cell companies win this case, everyone will FEEL like their phones are safe because the government made so much noise about it. Meanwhile, it will be business as usual.

sendero

(28,552 posts)
24. YOU abused your power..
Thu Oct 16, 2014, 04:29 PM
Oct 2014

... and performed surveillance without the constitutionally required permission.

This is the backlash result.

Blame yourself.

 

billhicks76

(5,082 posts)
27. Comey Proving He's A Fascist
Thu Oct 16, 2014, 04:36 PM
Oct 2014

He knows it's all about their previous drug war. They aren't protecting anyone.

unblock

(52,309 posts)
28. yeah and locking your front door should also be illegal
Thu Oct 16, 2014, 04:45 PM
Oct 2014

just in case the government wants to take a peek.

christx30

(6,241 posts)
32. Curtains. Envelopes. All passwords.
Thu Oct 16, 2014, 05:47 PM
Oct 2014

"From now on, all US citizens will change their underwear 10 times per day. And you will wear it on the outside of your pants, so we can check."

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