Charles Manson, now 77, gets new chance at parole
Source: LA Times
After 11 failed bids for freedom, notorious serial killer Charles Manson, now 77, is up for parole later this month.
The parole board rejected his bid in 2007, saying Manson "continues to pose an unreasonable danger to others and may still bring harm to anyone he would come in contact with."
Manson refused to participate in that hearing, describing himself as a "prisoner of the political system." He also declined to participate in any psychological evaluations in 2007.
"He refused to cooperate, so the conclusion they drew from the reports is he still remains a danger to the public," Los Angeles County Deputy District Attorney Patrick Sequeira said at the time. "He was convicted of nine horrible murders. He has expressed no remorse or empathy for any of the victims."
Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2012/04/06/BAJP1NVEJR.DTL
slackmaster
(60,567 posts)Fat chance.
rayofreason
(2,259 posts)RebelOne
(30,947 posts)IamK
(956 posts)wordpix
(18,652 posts)Hepburn
(21,054 posts)Cirque du So-What
(25,947 posts)by keeping Manson in prison. I also believe his pathology is beyond any attempt at rehabilitation.
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virgogal
(10,178 posts)of killing a guy named Shea,a caretaker at the ranch.
cali
(114,904 posts)BadtotheboneBob
(413 posts)... although, I'd include despicable, too, just for added emphasis...
raouldukelives
(5,178 posts)And I know I'm way out of bounds and alone in this but I've just felt for a long time now the Bush family has been responsible for more pain, suffering and death than the Manson family.
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chelsea0011
(10,115 posts)Mojambo
(17,422 posts)TheCowsCameHome
(40,168 posts)Stay put, Charlie.
Snake Alchemist
(3,318 posts)Douglas Carpenter
(20,226 posts)"Mom was in a café one afternoon with me on her lap. The waitress, a would-be mother without a child of her own, jokingly told my Mom she'd buy me from her. Mom replied, 'A pitcher of beer and he's yours.' The waitress set up the beer, Mom stuck around long enough to finish it off and left the place without me. Several days later my uncle had to search the town for the waitress and take me home."
John Gilmore in his insightful book called The Garbage People describes how Charlie adapted to this life of emptiness and violence:
He kept to himself. Though friendless, his young mind bypassed the loneliness of his surroundings. He watched, listened, pretended his imaginative resources knew no limit. And he began to steal, as if to hold onto something that continually flew away. There was a consistency and permanency to the habit of stealing and it became easier. With everything transient, the thefts and goods he carried with him offered a sense of stability, a kind of reward. An object owned gave identity to an owner, an identity that had yet to be acknowledged.
Charles Manson at 14 When he was nine, he was caught stealing and sent to reform school and then later when he was twelve, he was caught stealing again and sent to the Gibault School for Boys in Terre Haute, Indiana, in 1947. He ran away less than a year later and tried to return to his mother who didn't want him. Living entirely by stealing and burglary, he lived on his own until he was caught. The court arranged for him to go to Father Flanagan's Boys Town.
Charles Manson at 14
http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/serial_killers/notorious/manson/14.html
nolabear
(41,987 posts)He was damaged to the edge of being human. I make no excuses for him, and I wouldn't parole himfor a million bucks, but I feel real sadness for that child. That child was broken.
polly7
(20,582 posts)little boy. It makes me sad too ....... then I think of how the people they murdered suffered, and I think he's where he needs to be also. I believe he knows he has never had a hope of getting parole, and rightly so.
Tabasco_Dave
(1,259 posts)who didn't become violent sociopaths.
Douglas Carpenter
(20,226 posts)If most did we would have probably have at least hundreds of thousands of more of them. But the odds are increased significantly - especially when a child learns at a very early age that they are not wanted or cared for.
Snake Alchemist
(3,318 posts)crunch60
(1,412 posts)his next parole hearing won't be for another 15 years.
crunch60
(1,412 posts)terrible to feel that unloved or unwanted. This is not to say I excuse his crimes in any way.
Archae
(46,337 posts)He knows damn well if he steps outside prison walls someone is going to blow his head off.
-..__...
(7,776 posts)Unless there's some ambiguity in the law (or regardless of sentence... a hearing is till required), then what's the purpose of even having a parole hearing?
alcibiades_mystery
(36,437 posts)Not WITHOUT the possibility of parole.
Read your own citation more carefully.
3waygeek
(2,034 posts)ol' Charlie would probably be the Republican nominee by now.
Jack Rabbit
(45,984 posts)Put out a statement saying the parole board really would have to be nuts to release him and then be a no-show at his hearing.
Perhaps some time before the next scheduled hearing Father Time will intervene.
chelsea0011
(10,115 posts)Can you imagine having Charles Manson staying in a halfway house in any neighborhood?
Parole board, "So Charles, what would you do if you were granted parole"?
Charles, (incoherent mumbling for 30 minutes".
Parole board, "DENIED".
harmonicon
(12,008 posts)I wouldn't care if he lived next door to me. What do we gain by having him in prison? Let him use his own money to pay for his housing and healthcare. I really don't think anything is being accomplished by having him locked up.
Lucky Luciano
(11,257 posts)-..__...
(7,776 posts)Sure... why not.
"Hey Charlie... I'm throwing a BBQ next week end... come on by if you're free".
"Chuck, me and the wife will be out of town this weekend.
" I don't want to inconvenience you... but would you mind keeping an eye out for our kids"?
Snake Alchemist
(3,318 posts)chelsea0011
(10,115 posts)harmonicon
(12,008 posts)I'm sure he'd be pretty closely watched if paroled, and maybe even have an ankle bracelet or something. In either case, I'm not afraid of the guy killing me or anyone else. Seriously, the house next door to me is vacant, and I could give a shit if he lived there.
Seedersandleechers
(3,044 posts)When asked in a prison interview what was the worst thing he ever did - that was his reply.
Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)Now that Davy's gone...they do have a vacancy.
Botany
(70,518 posts)No Charlie you will never step foot outside of prison again
NoGOPZone
(2,971 posts)seriously, which he doesn't seem to do, either using them as a forum to ramble on about unrelated matters or skipping them entirely.
Fuddnik
(8,846 posts)Hepburn
(21,054 posts)He's nearly 80 years old. WTF is he gonna do on the outside?
David__77
(23,423 posts)If he won't "do anything" on the outside, then why keep him in prison?
Hepburn
(21,054 posts)A release from prison means probation or parole and there are requirements involved. At his age, I doubt if he could "do" anything that would allow him to live any sort or type of a regular life. I am guessing that his refusal to attend his parol hearings is an indication that he is aware that he most like would not be successful on the outside. He would have no protection from those who saw him as a curiosity or those who sought revenge or those who wished to exploit him. Anywhere he lived, most likely a side show would result and neighbors who most likely not wish to have him there to begin with and once the publicity, he most likely would not be welcomed at all.
Like I said, let him die in prison.
treestar
(82,383 posts)from prison he told the authorities that they should not release him. He knows he belongs in jail.
David__77
(23,423 posts)What exactly is he legitimately convicted of? At a minimum, if the thought is that he's a danger to society due to "insanity," then he can be paroled to some sort of facility other than a prison. This would not be so much to rehabilitate the person, but as a measure of humanity.
Lydia Leftcoast
(48,217 posts)There was a case in Minnesota when I was a teenager in which a prominent attorney hired someone to hire someone to kill his wife and make it look like a home invasion. All three were found guilty of murder.
Liber-AL
(71 posts)An example of inciting people to kill might be the rants of certain right wing talk show hosts.
tabasco
(22,974 posts)the sentence for conspiracy is the same as the crime conspired.
But Manson was convicted of seven counts of first degree murder.
chelsea0011
(10,115 posts)because he didn't like the messy job done the night before on the Tate massacre. But he didn't kill anybody.
David__77
(23,423 posts)Even if he used his own hand, I'm not sure it changes anything, because the question is whether or not he is currently a threat to society if paroled. Under restricted conditions, I don't see a problem.
obamanut2012
(26,080 posts)Seriously?
treestar
(82,383 posts)And conspiracy to commit murder.
Someone who hires a hit man doesn't literally kill anyone either. But they are still guilty of murder and conspiracy.
Manson didn't have to pay his looney followers to do his bidding.
Read the book written by Vincent Bugliosi, the prosecutor, "Helter Skelter." It's very interesting.
2ndAmForComputers
(3,527 posts)jmowreader
(50,560 posts)If they did, within six months the jails in California would be so crowded with misdemeanor public indecency cases, the California State Legislature would have to pass a bill of attainder legalizing the practice of urinating on Charles Manson's grave.
No, Manson is right where he belongs.
Liber-AL
(71 posts)That looney ex governor might have pardoned him!