Argentina president claims US plotting to oust her

[Bacchus4.0]

Source: the Guardian

Argentinian opposition politicians have accused the country’s president, Cristina Fernández de Kirchner, of being “completely out of touch with reality” after she gave a rambling televised address in which she claimed the US may be behind a plot to overthrow her government and possibly even assassinate her.

“If something should happen to me, don’t look to the Middle East, look to the North,” Fernández said during the address on Tuesday night, in which she alluded to an alleged plot against her by local bankers and businessmen “with foreign help”.

Fernández had previously claimed to have received death threats from Islamic State (Isis) because of her friendship with Pope Francis. In last night’s speech, however, she seemed to suggest the threats against her, received in three emails to Argentinian security officials, had come from the US.

Her claim comes in the wake of a rapid deterioration of Argentina’s already rocky relationship with the US after the country went into default in August.


Read more: http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/oct/01/argentina-president-claims-us-plot

[Nye Bevan]

1. I think she overestimates her own importance (nt)

[24601]

72. Yep, three Al Qaeda affiliates in Iraq & Syria, so POTUS is spending his time plotting to get

rid of her. Makes perfect sense...

[cascadiance]

2. This is what happens when we let vulture capitalists like Paul Singer...

do so much damage to the world economies through their rigged hedge fund investments and push aside those that truly are trying to invest in the future of countries, and other entities that these bums try to just take what they can get before those assets collapse. True investors at times are willing to allow their investments get devalued temporarily while it recovers through a down cycle, etc.

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2013/07/paul-singer-elliott-republican-fundraiser

Also, between the Falkland Island wars, the mess at the beginning of the century that was documented by Naomi Klein and her partner Avi Lewis in "The Take", Argentina has been really screwed by a lot of these opportunists over the years, both internal and external.



http://www.thetake.org/

[Dreamer Tatum]

3. Or maybe she was just drunk and is stupid. nt

[cascadiance]

4. Some probably said the same thing about Chavez after the attempted coup on him in Venezuela

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2002/apr/21/usa.venezuela

U.S. has meddled with many governments down in that part of the world, and some of the plots have likely had very nasty plans that included things like assassinations. Read some books like "Confessions of an Economic Hitman" by Jack Perkins for more on this.

She might be overplaying her hand, but if I were in her shoes, I wouldn't be taking threats from U.S. involvement in some sort of coup attempt lightly. She knows the history of what has gone down in South America at times and probably is reflecting her concerns there.

[Dreamer Tatum]

5. How about you do the homework instead of me

and prove that the US attempted what you're asserting on the basis of some book.

[cascadiance]

7. I don't think there is any "proof" that what she is asserting may be happening...

If there was, there'd be reports on it. But there IS a HISTORY of many similar types of "interventions" by our country down in South America, and if we just dismiss that, and her as being "drunk" because she's concerned about that history being repeated on her administration. Vulture capitalists like Paul Singer did buy Argentina's debt cheaply and are trying to profiteer from it. The seeds of our "intervention" have already started there.

I've already supplied you with a book reference with Perkins' "Confessions of an Economic Hitman" which talks about how the U.S. systematically gets other countries like Argentina slaves to debt, and does assassinations of those that become "problems" for them.

Here's an article on this book and an interview with Perkins. I don't have time to do any more detailed analysis for you, but you can read this yourself and see how we've been involved with assassinations before dismissing someone's comments as "being drunk". If you are going to make comments like that, then you should have already studied these kinds of articles and books to "know" what you are speaking of. I contend you don't or you wouldn't be saying what you are saying.

http://www.democracynow.org/2004/11/9/confessions_of_an_economic_hit_man

[Dreamer Tatum]

11. Stopped reading after the title.

No proof goes by another name, bullshitting.

[Judi Lynn]

18. Why is it the US public often learns about horrific things the gov't has done only decades later,

Why is it the US public has often learned of horrific things done by the US gov't only decades after the fact, and only after certain people asked for certain documents to be declassified and then obtained them through the Freedom of Information Act?

What on earth do you do with your brain all day, since it appears you don't use it often.

Next time, stop, and try to think for a while. It's bound to help.

Why do you imagine governments like this one do things covertly? Do they forget to make public announcements first?

[EX500rider]

20. "What on earth do you do with your brain all day, since it appears you don't use it often."

Pleasant as usual, you must be a hit at parties....lol

[Dreamer Tatum]

23. Giving me the same tired-assed book to read does not a compelling argument make

Likewise endless links.

[Judi Lynn]

31. You're supposed to get in there and start working,yourself.If you don't want to read, you're screwn.

Maybe you'd like someone to read to you while you sleep.

[Dreamer Tatum]

37. Also, attempts to shame people for not internalizing the plight of a continent

tend to fail.

[cosmicone]

25. +1 n/t

[Igel]

55. At least we learn of them.

WYSIATI, what you see is all there is, is incuriously false.

Most governments do a far better job at limiting what you see. Doesn't mean there isn't more. Just that it's a serious mistake to assume that all you see is really all there is to know.


On the other hand, the US isn't a force of nature. Past behavior doesn't entail present or future behavior. That can't be what you mean because that's too obvious a fallacy.

[cascadiance]

39. Yep, those swallowing or dispensing corporatist propaganda usually ignore the truth...

... when confronted with it. That's not the business when you're in the business of dismissing truth as "bullshit" without coming up with any detailed analysis on why people like John Perkins, who used to work for these corporations that were involved with this sort of thing are bullshitters.

I suppose you are going to also dismiss the notion that the U.S. helped topple democratically elected Mossadegh in Iran to replace him with the Shah as "bullshit", too, even when the CIA admits many years later that in fact they WERE involved in this action.

http://rt.com/usa/iran-coup-cia-operation-647/

I was part of a family that worked with the remnants of the old "Vietnam Project" that Stan Sheinbaum left at Michigan State University before he worked with Daniel Elsberg on the Pentagon Papers amongst other things. They were infiltrated by the CIA to help train the South Vietnamese to torture the Viet Cong then as this Ramparts article from those days indicates...

http://www.namebase.org/campus/msu.html

That has had me ask many questions over the years on what happened there and what our family was exposed to that leaves a lot of thorny questions too. And why was MSU president Hannah made the head of USAID not long after this stuff was going on through USAID contracts in Southeast Asia.

It is one thing to question whether her story might be valid and if there are any pieces of information that corroborate that and give her more credibility, which we don't have just yet. That sort of healthy skepticism I could accept. But since a bunch here are so eager to call her "drunk" or this story "bullshit" before the story is even a day old and we know much of anything behind the scenes just yet, especially with the questionable history of U.S. involvement in situations like this, I would be more inclined to believe we're seeing a group of propaganda artists trying to shut down any speculation here.

And the net effect here of many of you all simultaneously putting out the "counter" BS is making us feel that we are more likely seeing a propaganda campaign and there might be some more truths that we haven't heard yet that will be coming out.

[Dreamer Tatum]

40. With all those references

do you have anything that substantiates what Kirchner said?

Didn't think so. Yes, I am aware of the book.

I am also aware that whenever so much as a stinky fart is released in the Southern Hemisphere, we hear that the CIA probably supplied the beans.

Incidentally...why would President Obama want to kill her?

[Tarheel_Dem]

49. Complete with links to RT, so it must be true.

[cascadiance]

56. Do you have any references that validates she's a "drunk" or "stupid" or "crazy"?

Huh? Thought not! The bottom line is that there are a lot of references that shows this is a pattern of behavior for the U.S. When you put someone on trial for murder, if they have past offenses or arrests for similar crimes, those usually ARE brought up when trying to assess the guilt of the person too. You don't dismiss a witness to such a crime as being "drunk", "crazy", etc. until you've had someone analyze the evidence further, and break it down in specifics before labeling a witness as being "nuts".

NEITHER you or I know what happened just yet or what is motivating her to say this. I think the prudent thing is to try and find facts, but wait until more comes forth. We can't make an assessment either way without more info. And as I said in another post here, if someone wants to question whether or not we still have evidence yet to prove he assertions, I'd accept that. But when people have her already ready to be sent to a mental hospital as part of their effort to propagandize what is going on, I'm sorry, but that has to be questioned, and I think my approach of bringing up past history of what has been documented by others in the past of U.S. wrongdoing is far more appropriate than just calling her names.

I don't know why Obama would want to kill her... Do you know that he doesn't? Do you know that someone else might be doing it without Obama's knowledge to that effect? KNOW??!!!! NO! You don't! That's why that line of questioning is useful only when trying to propagandize the situation and distract people from trying to find real relevant facts.

And you don't think Obama might give an order to assassinate her given a certain set of circumstances? Hell, he's assassinated (without any kind of due process trial) two American citizens through drone strikes. Why might he not take out a foreign leader if certain circumstances? Cheney certainly had his own private assassination squad without congressional oversight.

http://www.alternet.org/story/131153/seymour_hersh%3A_%22executive_assassination_ring%22_answered_to_cheney,_had_no_congressional_oversight

And we had Austria amongst other European countries facilitate forcing down Bolivian leader Evo Morales plane over Europe when there were rumors that he was going to offer Julian Assange safe haven in Bolivia. Given how we treated him, it's not that much more to actually assassinate a leader to try and make something like that happen. Paul Singer and his vulture capitalist friends have a LOT of money to do arm twisting on our government to get them to go after Argentina to get what they consider "their money" with their hedge fund scams, etc.

[Dreamer Tatum]

57. Yes. What she said. nt

[cascadiance]

59. And what if she's right? Then are YOU nuts and drunk for assuming she is...

... and not letting the facts come out first?

[Zorro]

66. I read somewhere on the internet that Cristina killed her husband

so it must be true.

[EX500rider]

19. "Confessions of a guy who wants to sell books" is more like it..

Columnist Sebastian Mallaby of The Washington Post reacted sharply to Perkins' book: "This man is a frothing conspiracy theorist, a vainglorious peddler of nonsense, and yet his book, Confessions of an Economic Hit Man, is a runaway bestseller." Mallaby, who spent 13 years writing for the London Economist and wrote a critically well-received biography of World Bank chief James Wolfensohn, holds that Perkins' conception of international finance is "largely a dream" and that his "basic contentions are flat wrong". For instance he points out that Indonesia reduced its infant mortality and illiteracy rates by two-thirds after economists persuaded its leaders to borrow money in 1970. He also disputes Perkins' claim that 51 of the top 100 world economies belong to companies. A value-added comparison done by the UN, he says, shows the number to be 29. (The 51 of 100 data comes from an Institute for Policy Studies December 2000 Report on the Top 200 corporations; using 2010 data from the CIA's World Factbook and Fortune Global 500 the current ratio is 114 corporations in the top 200 global economies.)

Other sources, including articles in The New York Times and Boston Magazine as well as a press release issued by the United States Department of State, have referred to a lack of documentary or testimonial evidence to corroborate the claim that the NSA was involved in his hiring to Chas T. Main. In addition, the author of the State Department release states that the NSA "is a cryptological (codemaking and codebreaking) organization, not an economic organization" and that its missions do not involve "anything remotely resembling placing economists at private companies in order to increase the debt of foreign countries". Economic historian Niall Ferguson writes in his book The Ascent of Money that Perkins's contention that the leaders of Ecuador (President Jaime Roldós Aguilera) and Panama (General Omar Torrijos) were assassinated by US agents for opposing the interests of the owners of their countries' foreign debt "seems a little odd" in light of the fact that in the 1970s the amount of money that the US had lent to Ecuador and Panama accounted for less than 0.4% of the total US grants and loans, while in 1990 the exports from the US to those countries accounted for approximately 0.4% of the total US exports (approximately $8 billion). According to Ferguson, those "do not seem like figures worth killing for".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confessions_of_an_Economic_Hit_Man

[Cleita]

76. I've known you on this board long enough to know you never do your

homework. You just repeat propaganda. So don't accuse others of what you are guilty of.

[iandhr]

6. Argentina seems pretty good at screwing things up...

… for themselves without our help.

First it's ISIS. But apparently we are a better fake enemy for her politically.

[Judi Lynn]

9. The United States fully backed, endorsed, advised the military junta which tortured her husband. n/t

[Louisiana1976]

53. True. Henry Kissinger, who is now an adviser on international affairs to Obama, greenlighted

Argentina's bloody Dirty War. How much do you want to bet that today, Kissinger is meddling in US relations with Argentina?

[Tarheel_Dem]

58. "Adviser"? Do you have a link? I found only one hit & it was something called patriot underground.

[Judi Lynn]

64. He is deeply twisted. Here's a reminder of his personal investment in Argentina's "Dirty War":

Kissinger approved Argentinian 'dirty war'

Declassified US files expose 1970s backing for junta

Duncan Campbell in Los Angeles
The Guardian, Friday 5 December 2003 21.20 EST

Henry Kissinger gave his approval to the "dirty war" in Argentina in the 1970s in which up to 30,000 people were killed, according to newly declassified US state department documents.
Mr Kissinger, who was America's secretary of state, is shown to have urged the Argentinian military regime to act before the US Congress resumed session, and told it that Washington would not cause it "unnecessary difficulties".

The revelations are likely to further damage Mr Kissinger's reputation. He has already been implicated in war crimes committed during his term in office, notably in connection with the 1973 Chilean coup.

The material, obtained by the Washington-based National Security Archive under the Freedom of Information Act, consists of two memorandums of conversations that took place in October 1976 with the visiting Argentinian foreign minister, Admiral César Augusto Guzzetti. At the time the US Congress, concerned about allegations of widespread human rights abuses, was poised to approve sanctions against the military regime.

According to a verbatim transcript of a meeting on October 7 1976, Mr Kissinger reassured the foreign minister that he had US backing in whatever he did.

More:
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2003/dec/06/argentina.usa

[center]~ ~ ~[/center]
New Memo: Kissinger Gave the "Green Light" for Argentina's Dirty War

—By David Corn
| Tue Jan. 14, 2014 4:23 PM EST

Only a few months ago, Henry Kissinger was dancing with Stephen Colbert in a funny bit on the latter's Comedy Central show. But for years, the former secretary of state has sidestepped judgment for his complicity in horrific human rights abuses abroad, and a new memo has emerged that provides clear evidence that in 1976 Kissinger gave Argentina's neo-fascist military junta the "green light" for the dirty war it was conducting against civilian and militant leftists that resulted in the disappearance—that is, deaths—of an estimated 30,000 people.

In April 1977, Patt Derian, a onetime civil rights activist whom President Jimmy Carter had recently appointed assistant secretary of state for human rights, met with the US ambassador in Buenos Aires, Robert Hill. A memo recording that conversation has been unearthed by Martin Edwin Andersen, who in 1987 first reported that Kissinger had told the Argentine generals to proceed with their terror campaign against leftists (whom the junta routinely referred to as "terrorists&quot . The memo notes that Hill told Derian about a meeting Kissinger held with Argentine Foreign Minister Cesar Augusto Guzzetti the previous June. What the two men discussed was revealed in 2004 when the National Security Archive obtained and released the secret memorandum of conversation for that get-together. Guzzetti, according to that document, told Kissinger, "our main problem in Argentina is terrorism." Kissinger replied, "If there are things that have to be done, you should do them quickly. But you must get back quickly to normal procedures." In other words, go ahead with your killing crusade against the leftists.

The new document shows that Kissinger was even more explicit in encouraging the Argentine junta. The memo recounts Hill describing the Kissinger-Guzzetti discussion this way:

The Argentines were very worried that Kissinger would lecture to them on human rights. Guzzetti and Kissinger had a very long breakfast but the Secretary did not raise the subject. Finally Guzzetti did. Kissinger asked how long will it take you (the Argentines) to clean up the problem. Guzzetti replied that it would be done by the end of the year. Kissinger approved.

In other words, Ambassador Hill explained, Kissinger gave the Argentines the green light.

~snip~
Hill, who died in 1978, never did testify that Kissinger had urged on the Argentine generals, and the Carter administration reversed policy and made human rights a priority in its relations with Argentina and other nations. As for Kissinger, he skated—and he has been skating ever since, dodging responsibility for dirty deeds in Chile, Bangladesh, East Timor, Cambodia, and elsewhere. Kissinger watchers have known for years that he at least implicitly (though privately) endorsed the Argentine dirty war, but this new memo makes clear he was an enabler for an endeavor that entailed the torture, disappearance, and murder of tens of thousands of people.

http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2014/01/new-memo-kissinger-gave-green-light-argentina-dirty-war

[center]~ ~ ~[/center]
He's a grotesque imitation of a human being, so typical of Republicans.

[hack89]

8. When your military is too weak to invade the Falklands go with plan B

The Argentine Navy is under-funded and struggling to meet maintenance and training requirements, as a result only 15 out of a total of 42 navy vessels are in a condition to sail. The 2013 defence budget allowed for the 15 operational vessels to each spend less than 11 days at sea, whilst the submarines averaged just over 6 hours submerged in the whole of 2012.[20] ARA Espora spent 73 days in late 2012 stranded in South Africa for lack of spares. The Almirante Brown-class destroyers are short of spares and their ordnance has expired whilst the Antarctic patrol ship ARA Almirante Irizar has been under repair since a fire in 2007.[20] On 23 January 2013 the Type 42 destroyer ARA Santísima Trinidad sank at her moorings having been mothballed for ten years

[Tarheel_Dem]

10. I'm sorry, but is every Latin American leader nuts? Weren't we accused of giving Chavez cancer?

'Aw Geez, Not this shit again'.

[Judi Lynn]

12. What makes more real sense: assuring yourself all dark skinned leftist leaders are nuts,

or you should spend some time finding about your country's history in the Americas by breaking down and studying it?

A little knowledge of the subject FIRST before assuming you know it all would go a long way.

[EX500rider]

14. With the silly assumption that if we did something in the past...

....we just HAVE to be doing the same thing now. Regardless of administration or time gone by.

I am SURE Obama is plotting the assassination of the Argentine President......not

[Judi Lynn]

16. And you would know about it how? Would you learn about it through your corporate "news" media?

Assassinations in the past means the US has already done that, has promised to stop doing it again and again and again?

What the #### do you think "covert operations" must mean?

Why do you imagine assassinations are conducted in secrecy? Why would they do it without telling the world first?

[Bacchus4.0]

22. dark skinned??????

Which one is dark skinned?




How about these two?

[Judi Lynn]

34. Lots of luck trying to get mileage with that.The white power structure here sees all Latin America

as being "dark skinned people."

That's another way they get their backing from fellow racists in the right-wing, who are foaming at the mouth to lay waste to the leftists of the Americas.

Just who comprises the hundreds of thousands tortured and murdered citizens of the Americas whose bodies have been piled up all these last few decades, anyway?

Do your trolling with someone else. I'm a busy DU'er.

[Bacchus4.0]

36. Argentina is 97% white like CFK. That was one of your more absurd comments in a long history

of idiocy. Maybe its time to look for another hobby rather than busily spreading bs all over DU.

[Louisiana1976]

62. While those of us who are familiar with Latin America know Argentina is 97% white, ignorant racist

Reich-wingers do not know this and lump Argentina in with Latin American countries that are considered brown.

[Bacchus4.0]

65. Well JL appears to among the ignorant then. What possible reason was there to bring up brown skin

in the context of this thread? And CFK is white anyway making it even more asinine. Anyway her government is failing, so following the Venezuela model of blaming the US. I guess threatening the Falklands just wasn't enough.

[Zorro]

67. It's the Argentine version of the 3 envelope method of crisis management

When encountering the first crisis, open envelope #1: it says "Threaten the Falklands".

When encountering the second crisis, open envelope #2: it says "Blame the US".

For the final encounter, open envelope #3: it says "Prepare 3 envelopes for your replacement".

[EX500rider]

24. So that's your theory?

Obama called up the CIA and said wack that Argentine President..........because why again?

[Bacchus4.0]

27. and because she is dark skinned

[Bacchus4.0]

15. CFK is white. n/t

[Tarheel_Dem]

44. FAIL! I happen to be "dark skinned" myself, as in African American, as is my family.

A little knowledge, on your part, wouldn't go amiss either.

[Bacchus4.0]

13. yes, there were supposed to be an investigation

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2288704/Hugo-Chavez-dead-Venezuelan-president-Hugo-Chavez-dies-severe-infection-battle-cancer.html

[Tarheel_Dem]

45. Isn't that typical? Obviously, it's disrespectful to call a nut, a nut. Who knew?

[hack89]

26. Typical DU response to crazy talk

I detect more amusement than contempt.

[hack89]

30. What possible rational spin can you put on what she said?

her government is spiraling down the toilet and she starts mumbling about conspiracies to kill her.

[Judi Lynn]

35. I think that must be just the troll infestation, 1000words! Picked up some eager ones, haven't we?

[center]

They're known for their ability to gibber the same things endlessly.

Totally predictable. [/center]

[EX500rider]

38. Right because anybody who doesn't agree with you just MUSt be a troll..

[Dreamer Tatum]

46. And they read the corporate "news"

extra points for the scare quotes.


(Nevermind that certain people must have something like 500,000 Google Alerts for any event south of Texas. Their sources are solid gold...YOURS are shit)

[EX500rider]

50. "The ability to gibber the same things endlessly."

Yes, someone in this thread is certainly guilty of that....lol

[Bacchus4.0]

60. Yep, accusing you of what she is n/t

[Tarheel_Dem]

52. Cuz we disagree with your knee jerk defense of anything related to the region? Then, troll it is.

[FLPanhandle]

21. The US makes for a convenient boogie man when a leader is having issues

The hard reality is that no one in the US government gives a damn about her.

[candelista]

29. This is a boogie man.

This is a bogeyman:

[FLPanhandle]

32. If I had the time, I'd Photoshop an Uncle Sam hat and beard on him.

[Reter]

41. Why are so many SA leaders paranoid?

No idea.

[Dreamer Tatum]

42. Because the big bad US gave them a sad. nt

[AZ Progressive]

48. Because they know the history of U.S. foreign policy?

[ozone_man]

61. Many SA countries have been overthrown by the U.S.

Guatemala, Chile, Nicaragua war, funding of contras in El Salvador and Honduras, Venezuela attempted coup, Cuba interventions and economic embargo, Panama, ... Perhaps a shorter list to compile is one that includes the countries the U.S. hasn't tried to overthrow and install their brand of corporate capitalist democracy, not just in SA, but the world. Well, if a country has no oil or other economic, geographic, or otherwise strategic assets, than they are probably not of interest.

[Ash_F]

43. Nonsense. USGov has never done such a thing!

[quadrature]

47. PAY the two dollars

Pay off the bonds at face value.

the money owed is chump change for
a country as big as Argentina.

[EX500rider]

51. WHAT!?!?! Pay back money you borrowed?!?!?

Who ever heard of such a thing......lol

[brentspeak]

68. Argentina has been paying back their loans

The original lenders made a healthy profit while Argentina was paying interest on their loans. Those original lenders then made more even money when they sold the debt to investors. And those investors -- who purchased Argentina's debts for pennies-on-the dollar -- have only profited from Argentina's interest payments. They agreed to take a haircut on the amount of debt they held over Argentina, but they still have profited. Argentina has, in fact, been paying those majority of creditors.

Along comes Paul Singer's vulture group. For their pennies-on-the-dollar purchase of some of Argentina's second-hand debt, they, unlike Argentina's other creditors, are demanding full face value repayment. Of course, as a vulture firm which merely purchased existing debt, they did not actually provide any financing to Argentina in the first place, so they are not being "repaid", only paid. While their ownership of Argentina's debt gives them the same legal rights as held by the original lenders, it is incorrect to imply that they are or should be "paid back" by Argentina.

Argentina is entirely blameless if it refuses to bow to Singer's group for full face-value repayment.

[EX500rider]

69. Yes govt bonds are transferable, i knew that.

Argentina is entirely blameless if it refuses to bow to Singer's group for full face-value repayment

Entirely blameless if they don't want to pay back the full amount they borrowed....I should try that with my bank, i wonder how "blameless" they will hold me...?

[The Magistrate]

74. The Vultures, Sir, Are In The Wrong And Should Not Receive A Dime, Let Alone Full Value

What they are doing is analogous to someone buying paper for a debt discharged through bankruptcy, and demanding to be paid in full regardless. A deal was struck between the government of Argentina and nine out of ten holders of the bonds for partial payment to be made on a schedule and the debt be written off once that was completed. This should be considered binding on all holders of the bond issue, no matter how or when they acquired them. In fact, it is essential this be so, if the whole structure of loans to sovereign entities around the glob is to be maintained. There has to be a way for countries to deal with debts which genuinely cannot be paid, just as there is for individuals and businesses. Bond-holders have to accept that they may lose their capital; the most basic problem is that bond buyers want to be paid risk premiums, but do not want to accept any actual risk of loss. They can have one or the other, not both. And bottom-feeders and vultures, buying up for pennies on the dollar issues which have that price because no one has any realistic expectation they will be paid off in full, should have no rights whatever to repayment at anything above the price they paid.

[Tarheel_Dem]

54. Reuters: Argentina bonds fall as central bank chief resigns

Oct 1 (Reuters) - Argentina's bonds traded one to two points lower on Wednesday, initially falling on market chatter that the country's central bank governor had offered his resignation and holding lower as the resignation was confirmed.

President Cristina Fernandez's spokesman said she had accepted the resignation of Juan Carlos Fabrega as chief of the central bank.

The central bank was not reachable for comment. (Reporting by Davide Scigliuzzo; Writing by Sarah Marsh; Editing by Leslie Adler)

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/10/01/argentina-centralbanker-bonds-idUSE6N0Q606520141001

Nothing to see here, the US is plotting my assasination.

[davidthegnome]

63. That's a damned serious accusation.

Coming from the leader of another Nation - does she have any evidence, what so ever? If she does, it should be presented to the UN. I do not believe that Obama would have anything to do with such a threat or conspiracy... but there are elements of our government and it's various agencies that are rather suspect when it comes to anything like this.

Hell, that could even be part of some plan. Send this President some threatening emails, implant a few agents where they can make some trouble and merely suggest threats. The end result is that she is seen as paranoid, crazy, drunk, etc.

I will reserve judgment until or unless some kind of evidence is provided in this case. Just because one is (apparently) paranoid, doesn't mean that someone ISNT out to get them. As a favorite writer of mine likes to say... the truth is often stranger than fiction.

[cascadiance]

70. Finally a post in this thread that looks at the situation constructively...

... and doesn't try to judge yet until we get more facts, but has healthy skepticism in all directions.

This is the kind of dialogue I've been used to in the past on DU.

Thanks!

[quadrature]

71. this is about saving face

Cristina lost in a US court,
so she has to say the court has no jurisdiction.

If she pays the bonds,
she will be laughed out of town.

[JI7]

73. how is the Economy there ?

[Bacchus4.0]

75. bad

http://uk.reuters.com/article/2014/09/11/uk-argentina-economy-analysis-idUKKBN0H61W220140911

[JI7]

77. so that explains it

[EX500rider]

78. "If something should happen to me, don’t look to the Middle East, look to the North"

Well directly north is Bolivia...

If she meant way north perhaps Canada? Or the North Pole and Santa Claus?