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hue

(4,949 posts)
Wed Oct 1, 2014, 12:24 PM Oct 2014

FBI Turns Animal Cruelty Into Top-Tier Felony

Source: abcNews

Young people who torture and kill animals are prone to violence against people later in life if it goes unchecked, studies have shown. A new federal category for animal cruelty crimes will help root out those pet abusers before their behavior worsens and give a boost to prosecutions, an animal welfare group says.

For years, the FBI has filed animal abuse under the label "other" along with a variety of lesser crimes, making cruelty hard to find, hard to count and hard to track. The bureau announced this month that it would make animal cruelty a Group A felony with its own category — the same way crimes like homicide, arson and assault are listed.

"It will help get better sentences, sway juries and make for better plea bargains," said Madeline Bernstein, president and CEO of the Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals Los Angeles and a former New York prosecutor.

The category also will help identify young offenders, and a defendant might realize "if he gets help now, he won't turn into Jeffrey Dahmer," she said.

Law enforcement agencies will have to report incidents and arrests in four areas: simple or gross neglect; intentional abuse and torture; organized abuse, including dogfighting and cockfighting; and animal sexual abuse, the FBI said in statement. The bureau didn't answer questions beyond a short statement.

Read more: http://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory/fbi-turns-animal-cruelty-top-tier-felony-25889135



Yaaay! The FBI is making the connection!
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FBI Turns Animal Cruelty Into Top-Tier Felony (Original Post) hue Oct 2014 OP
That took long enough. truthisfreedom Oct 2014 #1
YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY! I will take my victories where I can. I have four roguevalley Oct 2014 #19
Cruel Joke billhicks76 Oct 2014 #54
It's about time. Torturing animals is very serious & indicates that something catbyte Oct 2014 #2
Maybe finally this will convince those... hlthe2b Oct 2014 #3
Look downthread get the red out Oct 2014 #9
And yet Micheal Brown layed dead in the street for hours and he's less important bigdarryl Oct 2014 #4
I know. I was thinking, when I saw the OP, what if the animal is black? nt valerief Oct 2014 #5
Can't all issues be important? get the red out Oct 2014 #6
+1 C Moon Oct 2014 #13
I think the point is that it is not seen as important. Ash_F Oct 2014 #17
You are saying something different get the red out Oct 2014 #26
Bigdarryl, ^^this^^ irisblue Oct 2014 #31
some damned animal? REALLY!? It is possible that we can do both. Honestly, I roguevalley Oct 2014 #21
There was no law treating animal abuse as a "real" crime hence the attention to this change. Dollface Oct 2014 #34
Was the community, MB family & humans in general, we were ALL hurt by the police behavior. Sunlei Oct 2014 #65
We're *all* just "damn animals" ... Nihil Oct 2014 #67
good…..n/t dhill926 Oct 2014 #7
Yay - wonderful news!! Made my day!! Peregrine Took Oct 2014 #8
GOOD!!!!! CountAllVotes Oct 2014 #10
Probably should. At least have them talk to the neighbor. /nt Ash_F Oct 2014 #22
you SHOULD keep your cats inside, or supervised in your yard, anyway. Scout Oct 2014 #29
a cat is the last free living being FYI CountAllVotes Oct 2014 #30
FYI you still need to take responsibility for your cat, and keep it in your own yard. Scout Oct 2014 #32
A little harsh arikara Oct 2014 #36
A little harsh is an understatement. nt. F4lconF16 Oct 2014 #39
You are very cruel CountAllVotes Oct 2014 #41
yeah well too bad the truth hurts sometimes. i still feel sorry for your cat. n/t Scout Oct 2014 #46
As do ill-intentioned opinions, often confused by the half-wit as truth. LanternWaste Oct 2014 #62
LOL Scout Oct 2014 #70
No, if some "crazy fuck" kills delete_bush Oct 2014 #51
if you take responsbility for your pet and its whereabouts... Scout Oct 2014 #60
I'm on your side Count..... onecent Oct 2014 #38
What if the neighbors dog kills him? Drahthaardogs Oct 2014 #73
They had better keep there eyes on the cops who are shooting dogs ladjf Oct 2014 #11
Good! Now make bad cops a top-tier felony nt 7962 Oct 2014 #12
Last time they rewrote old classifications... Crash2Parties Oct 2014 #14
Show me the research... read this too NotHardly Oct 2014 #15
It is about time. Life is life. appleannie1 Oct 2014 #16
Yes, weeds are people too. Every weed deserves a court-appointed advocate and due process 24601 Oct 2014 #53
Your post indicates tabasco Oct 2014 #71
No, your post indicates a lack of reading comprehension or you would have understood the 24601 Oct 2014 #72
Oh yeah? TheVisitor Oct 2014 #18
GOOOOOOOOD POINT! Let 'em start with local cops. marble falls Oct 2014 #24
They don't go to jail for killing PEOPLE for no good reason already. Doubt they would for animals. valerief Oct 2014 #61
once in a while there is some small Justice Sunlei Oct 2014 #68
Finally something good from the FBI. Todays animal abusers are tomorrows psychopaths. marble falls Oct 2014 #20
Animal abusers are already paychopaths. darkangel218 Oct 2014 #28
This sounds like a positive development. Enthusiast Oct 2014 #23
Ronald McDonald still a free man. AngryAmish Oct 2014 #25
Yes shenmue Oct 2014 #27
Kickin' Faux pas Oct 2014 #33
Speaking of damnedifIknow Oct 2014 #35
Yes. I think it was a BB gun. amandabeech Oct 2014 #56
I hope that means that arikara Oct 2014 #37
One could only assume by past evidence that would be the first stop. nt raouldukelives Oct 2014 #64
Excellent! Feral Child Oct 2014 #40
Glad to hear this tabasco Oct 2014 #42
Didn't Huckabee's kid have a couple of run-ins with the law over creulty to animals??? blkmusclmachine Oct 2014 #43
didn't know that, had to look it up. You're right!details are horrible, he was boy scout counselor! Sunlei Oct 2014 #66
Animal cruelty often precedes criminal activity against humans, sometimes even homicide. The Stranger Oct 2014 #44
I guess the FBI will now be tracking Mitt Romney FLPanhandle Oct 2014 #45
I look forward to them enforcing this in regards to animal agriculture. flvegan Oct 2014 #47
Good. But they didn't need to justify it based on this transference principal DisgustipatedinCA Oct 2014 #48
me too. BlancheSplanchnik Oct 2014 #55
good. nt navarth Oct 2014 #49
and a defendant might realize, EvilAL Oct 2014 #50
Finally. Long overdue. okasha Oct 2014 #52
First of all this is good news yeoman6987 Oct 2014 #57
I agree with making it a more serious offense, wholeheartedly, but Jamastiene Oct 2014 #58
Excellent. eom littlemissmartypants Oct 2014 #59
excellent. To add Animal cruelty to FBI reporting system will make local police take more action. Sunlei Oct 2014 #63
And what should we do with the DUrs who campaign for the wholesale slaughter of dogs? baldguy Oct 2014 #69
Its about time Ruby the Liberal Oct 2014 #74
good. about time. nt magical thyme Oct 2014 #75
I am glad the FBI is taking this seriously, ZombieHorde Oct 2014 #76

roguevalley

(40,656 posts)
19. YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY! I will take my victories where I can. I have four
Wed Oct 1, 2014, 02:14 PM
Oct 2014

rescues here that are safe from the cruelty of man. I HOPE THEY BEAT ASS!

 

billhicks76

(5,082 posts)
54. Cruel Joke
Wed Oct 1, 2014, 11:05 PM
Oct 2014

They don't seem to be going after cops who have been shooting dogs like its a sport ever since they realized 8 years ago that nothing will happen to them. I've seen them shoot beagles and poodles even.

catbyte

(34,386 posts)
2. It's about time. Torturing animals is very serious & indicates that something
Wed Oct 1, 2014, 12:36 PM
Oct 2014

seriously messed up is going on inside the perpetrator's head. People who do this are sick f--ks and need to either receive intense treatment (if young enough) or very lengthy incarceration. Forget the fact that many serial killers learn and practice their trade on animals before graduating to people, just torturing a fellow sentient being is vile enough and deserves stiff punishment. I don't think current laws go far enough.

hlthe2b

(102,276 posts)
3. Maybe finally this will convince those...
Wed Oct 1, 2014, 12:38 PM
Oct 2014

who downplay animal cruelty and accuse those who fight against it--as somehow being less concerned about people than animals. In my near 14 years on DU, I have seen this over and over and over again.

Compassion for animals likewise means compassion for humans! It is NOT an "either/or"...

get the red out

(13,466 posts)
9. Look downthread
Wed Oct 1, 2014, 12:59 PM
Oct 2014

Already happening. This kind of ignorance is sickening and says animals deserve cruelty until EVERYTHING that deserves justice is done. I am so sick of that stupidity and the hateful people who spout it. God I sometimes dislike some liberals as much as conservatives. Fucking assholes.

 

bigdarryl

(13,190 posts)
4. And yet Micheal Brown layed dead in the street for hours and he's less important
Wed Oct 1, 2014, 12:40 PM
Oct 2014

Than some damn animal

get the red out

(13,466 posts)
6. Can't all issues be important?
Wed Oct 1, 2014, 12:55 PM
Oct 2014

Do we have to put up with animal cruelty because other legal needs haven't been met? How is this the fault of abused animals?

Let's just curse something good being done, makes me ill.

Ash_F

(5,861 posts)
17. I think the point is that it is not seen as important.
Wed Oct 1, 2014, 02:12 PM
Oct 2014

Not to the current Federal government anyway. Law enforcement in that region is so corrupt, the situation demands Federalization, as Eisenhower did many years ago.

But nothing from our White House yet.

get the red out

(13,466 posts)
26. You are saying something different
Wed Oct 1, 2014, 02:23 PM
Oct 2014

"Some damn animal" doesn't exactly convey the point you are making, so far as I see it. It conveys animosity toward an action by the FBI that is at least useful, and animosity toward the innocent creatures who may be helped.

irisblue

(32,975 posts)
31. Bigdarryl, ^^this^^
Wed Oct 1, 2014, 02:40 PM
Oct 2014

is that what you really meant? Sometimes the emotional training to be abusive to humans, like some cops do, starts like this. Maybe this awareness will keep some future problems away. I think we can and should keep all these factors in mind.

roguevalley

(40,656 posts)
21. some damned animal? REALLY!? It is possible that we can do both. Honestly, I
Wed Oct 1, 2014, 02:15 PM
Oct 2014

can't get this kind of thing. Some damned animal. how sad.

Dollface

(1,590 posts)
34. There was no law treating animal abuse as a "real" crime hence the attention to this change.
Wed Oct 1, 2014, 03:09 PM
Oct 2014

In theory, there already were laws to protect Michael Brown, but they were not enforced.

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
65. Was the community, MB family & humans in general, we were ALL hurt by the police behavior.
Thu Oct 2, 2014, 11:42 AM
Oct 2014

Like another poster said well, This is all important.

 

Nihil

(13,508 posts)
67. We're *all* just "damn animals" ...
Fri Oct 3, 2014, 08:03 AM
Oct 2014

You, me, Michael Brown, Barack Obama, some nameless Syrian kid, the newest baby addition
to the 7+ billion humans on this rock, the pampered pets of posters downthread, the free-range
cattle, the factory-farmed chicken, the 200-year old rockfish, the minke whale, ... all are just
some "damn animal" to someone else who simply doesn't care about them.

CountAllVotes

(20,870 posts)
10. GOOD!!!!!
Wed Oct 1, 2014, 01:05 PM
Oct 2014

I have a "neighbor" that just last week threatened to dump a poison all over his yard after stating that he has seen my cat jump the fence.

Said cat and my other two cats are no longer going outside because of this threat as I consider it to be

Maybe a call to the Sheriff is in order?

I've been so upset I cannot tell ya'll.

This should and is a horrible crime. People that abuse/kill animals belong in a place called prison!!!!!



Scout

(8,624 posts)
29. you SHOULD keep your cats inside, or supervised in your yard, anyway.
Wed Oct 1, 2014, 02:35 PM
Oct 2014

no, your neighbor shouldn't hurt or threaten to hurt them, but you need to take responsibility for their well being and be considerate of your neighbors.

CountAllVotes

(20,870 posts)
30. a cat is the last free living being FYI
Wed Oct 1, 2014, 02:39 PM
Oct 2014

and I can only keep him indoors (which is the case 95% of the time). He gets out now and again and I cannot stop him if he opts to jump a fence.

He is doing no one any harm and is cared for always.

As for the neighbor, he needs to get a life.

Scout

(8,624 posts)
32. FYI you still need to take responsibility for your cat, and keep it in your own yard.
Wed Oct 1, 2014, 02:46 PM
Oct 2014

you say he is doing no one any harm, but that does not make it true, and even if he isn't harming anyone, he can still get hurt himself. Or some crazy fuck like your neighbor will just go ahead and kill him without even giving you warning.

If something awful happens to your cat it will be YOUR fault. I feel sorry for your cat that you don't really seem to care about him.

CountAllVotes

(20,870 posts)
41. You are very cruel
Wed Oct 1, 2014, 04:58 PM
Oct 2014

and I do not appreciate your words one bit for they are hurtful towards me and to my cat as well who happens to be sitting next to me as I type.

Welcome to my ignore list.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
62. As do ill-intentioned opinions, often confused by the half-wit as truth.
Thu Oct 2, 2014, 11:16 AM
Oct 2014

"yeah well too bad the truth hurts sometimes..."

As do ill-intentioned opinions, often confused by the half-wit as truth.

Scout

(8,624 posts)
70. LOL
Fri Oct 3, 2014, 10:07 AM
Oct 2014

ooooooh, i'm crushed. NOT.

i feel sorry for their cat, since their owner doesn't care about protecting them from danger and crazy fucks.

delete_bush

(1,712 posts)
51. No, if some "crazy fuck" kills
Wed Oct 1, 2014, 10:18 PM
Oct 2014

an animal, IT's THE FAULT of the "crazy fuck"!!!

I would say it's unfortunate for you that you live in such a black and white world, but that will no doubt land on deaf ears.

Scout

(8,624 posts)
60. if you take responsbility for your pet and its whereabouts...
Thu Oct 2, 2014, 09:02 AM
Oct 2014

then you don't have to worry about a crazy fuck hurting it. (Barring the bizarre circumstance that someone breaks into your home and steals your pet from within it.)

I will say it's unfortunate that you live in such an immature world, where we are not responsible for our pets, but that will no doubt land on deaf ears.

onecent

(6,096 posts)
38. I'm on your side Count.....
Wed Oct 1, 2014, 04:00 PM
Oct 2014

My cat sleeps on the neighbors' cushioned lawn furniture, thank goodness I have GREAT neighbors.

Cats do what they want...when they want....and when you're a cat lover, well, they rule!!!

Drahthaardogs

(6,843 posts)
73. What if the neighbors dog kills him?
Sat Oct 4, 2014, 09:34 AM
Oct 2014

The dog is a predator and if the cat runs, predatory respsonses happen. What if he gets into someones homing pigeon loft and the pigeon owners hurt the catprotecting their birds?

Would you condemn the dog? Would you excuse someone else protecting their animals?

ladjf

(17,320 posts)
11. They had better keep there eyes on the cops who are shooting dogs
Wed Oct 1, 2014, 01:06 PM
Oct 2014

at will all over the country. nt

Crash2Parties

(6,017 posts)
14. Last time they rewrote old classifications...
Wed Oct 1, 2014, 01:43 PM
Oct 2014

...they gave us the formal designation needed to convince people that state-mandated transvaginal ultrasounds are a form of rape.

Now I wonder how this new reclassification will fly in those states that have tried to outlaw any sort of whistleblowing on meat processing plants. The way I see it, " simple or gross neglect; intentional abuse and torture; organized abuse," are often Normal Operating Procedure at some cattle plants.

Also, I wonder what effect the inclusion of, "animal sexual abuse" will have on some GOP/TP Congressmen's whimsical recollections of their youth?

NotHardly

(1,062 posts)
15. Show me the research... read this too
Wed Oct 1, 2014, 01:59 PM
Oct 2014

Animal Cruelty and Violent Behavior
Journal of Security Education 10/2008; 2(4). DOI: 10.1300/J460v02n04_04

ABSTRACT During the 1960s a supposition emerged based on a few case studies from anecdotal presentations and varied observational reports that the presence of childhood abuse towards animals was likely a significant precursor or major predictive dynamic for later adult interpersonal violent behavior of violent murderers in particular. This connection was then further applied to the linkage of childhood generalized violent behavior with future adult interpersonal violence. From its earliest presentation coupled with a growing chorus of sociologists and criminologists asserting the linkage assumptions, the supposition rose in the popular consciousness as a key indicator of the violent propensities in children. In 1987 childhood animal cruelty first appeared in the American Psychiatric Association Diagnostic Statistical Manual (III-R) as one of a set of symptoms indicating the presence of conduct disorder and as a factor associated with adult antisocial behavior. This article explores the early history of the linkage between childhood animal abuse and subsequent violent adult behavior in contemporary research and examines the questions involved with whether or not there is a valid connection between the issues of childhood animal abuse and violent interpersonal adult criminal conduct.

(spurious relationship)

24601

(3,962 posts)
53. Yes, weeds are people too. Every weed deserves a court-appointed advocate and due process
Wed Oct 1, 2014, 11:04 PM
Oct 2014

before being pulled or poisoned.

24601

(3,962 posts)
72. No, your post indicates a lack of reading comprehension or you would have understood the
Fri Oct 3, 2014, 09:14 PM
Oct 2014

sarcasm replying to "life is life" when it implied inaccurate equivalency.

Your jumping into a sarcastic post is however touching. I'll bet you labored over your words for 45 of the 46 hours since I posted it.

TheVisitor

(173 posts)
18. Oh yeah?
Wed Oct 1, 2014, 02:14 PM
Oct 2014

What about all the cops who go around killing people's animals for no damn reason. They should be in jail.

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
68. once in a while there is some small Justice
Fri Oct 3, 2014, 08:10 AM
Oct 2014

Takes decent police, a state with good laws & plenty of good people who push for Justice, sometimes they do lock away evil for a little while

http://dcs-inmatesearch.ne.gov/Corrections/InmateDisplayServlet?DcsId=71105&showInmateImage=true

 

darkangel218

(13,985 posts)
28. Animal abusers are already paychopaths.
Wed Oct 1, 2014, 02:29 PM
Oct 2014

Anyone who would hurt an animal for enjoynment is a sick sick person.

 

amandabeech

(9,893 posts)
56. Yes. I think it was a BB gun.
Thu Oct 2, 2014, 12:03 AM
Oct 2014

One of my cousins did that to frogs with his BB gun. He was an arch conservative Republican for a long time until things beyond his control got the better of him.

arikara

(5,562 posts)
37. I hope that means that
Wed Oct 1, 2014, 03:34 PM
Oct 2014

they will also go after the extreme cruelty of factory farming and animal testing. They both fit the definition given.

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
66. didn't know that, had to look it up. You're right!details are horrible, he was boy scout counselor!
Thu Oct 2, 2014, 11:54 AM
Oct 2014
Miller County, Arkansas) Two boy scout counselors, 17 year old Clayton Frady and 18 year old David litickabee [sic], the son of Arkansas Governor Mike Huckabee, have admitted to catching a stray dog during their summer session at Camp Pioneer in Hatfield, AR, and hanging the dog by his neck, slitting his throat and stoning him to death.

google search

https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=Huckabee+animal+cruelty

The Stranger

(11,297 posts)
44. Animal cruelty often precedes criminal activity against humans, sometimes even homicide.
Wed Oct 1, 2014, 05:39 PM
Oct 2014

In addition to it being sociopathic, abhorrent and criminal in its own right.

flvegan

(64,408 posts)
47. I look forward to them enforcing this in regards to animal agriculture.
Wed Oct 1, 2014, 09:56 PM
Oct 2014

Dog, cat, horse, pig, cow...

I won't hold my breath. At least dog and cat abuse should make the cut. That's a good/big step.

 

DisgustipatedinCA

(12,530 posts)
48. Good. But they didn't need to justify it based on this transference principal
Wed Oct 1, 2014, 10:04 PM
Oct 2014

It's true that young people who abuse animals are likely to abuse people later. But animal cruelty isn't just a predictor of future cruelty. It's a crime unto itself and it should be vigorously prosecuted for the sake of the animals alone.

So say we all.

DisgustipatedinCA
Calypso
Finnegan
Annabelle
Marble

BlancheSplanchnik

(20,219 posts)
55. me too.
Wed Oct 1, 2014, 11:45 PM
Oct 2014

I dislike the anthropocentrism. As the saying goes, "We're not the only species on Earth. We just act like it."

EvilAL

(1,437 posts)
50. and a defendant might realize,
Wed Oct 1, 2014, 10:14 PM
Oct 2014

"if he gets help now, he won't turn into Jeffrey Dahmer,".

I just wonder when Jeffrey Dahmer turned into Jeffrey Dahmer.

 

yeoman6987

(14,449 posts)
57. First of all this is good news
Thu Oct 2, 2014, 12:59 AM
Oct 2014

But why do I not get a fuzzy feeling on the motives. They are seeing that eventually numbers of prisoners are going to decrease due to decriminalizing marihuana so now they can maintain their number of prisoners with this.


I hope it is just my current mistrust with anything law enforcement that is causing this and in truth is they are really caring about the animals. Good ruling!

Jamastiene

(38,187 posts)
58. I agree with making it a more serious offense, wholeheartedly, but
Thu Oct 2, 2014, 01:05 AM
Oct 2014

Jeffrey Dahmer did not torture and kill animals. Instead he collected ones that were already dead. At least when I read up on him, all accounts that I read said that was what he did. I may have missed where he ever actually killed any animals.

Still, I'm glad they are doing this. It is a good idea to stop the nasty animal torturers as young as possible. I hate the culture where I live. Here, the mayor of the town six miles north of me, named Ellerbe, hit a black bear and held its head up for a picture on the front page of the local newspaper, like he was posing in a hunting trophy picture or something. What a fucking asshole. Little boys here will brutally kill animals to please their other male buddies and make girls cry. Later, those same straight girls end up marrying those boys and having children who will do the same, generation after generation. Parents and teachers laugh about it when little boys here do these cruel things to animals. It is a decidedly cruel place. I hope the feds will crack down on some of the cruelty in my area while they are at it.

And yes, there has been a serial killer operating in my county and the one next to us for over a decade with not much news about it in the papers. If the sheriff of the county next to us hadn't mentioned it by accident once in the 90s, I would never have known. Our local paper has never mentioned it. And most people here do not know it. Women are turning up dead and slashed up here and people think this is Grade A safe little town, much better than the nasty evil bigger cities up north. I wish I was joking about their attitude, but I am not. That is how they really feel.

I sometimes feel I live in the bowels of Hell, especially considering what these assholes around here consider "fun."

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
63. excellent. To add Animal cruelty to FBI reporting system will make local police take more action.
Thu Oct 2, 2014, 11:26 AM
Oct 2014

Some local police do very little or nothing to stop animal abuse. (not all Police, some are very good)

 

baldguy

(36,649 posts)
69. And what should we do with the DUrs who campaign for the wholesale slaughter of dogs?
Fri Oct 3, 2014, 08:23 AM
Oct 2014

BSL is just one more form of cruelty.

ZombieHorde

(29,047 posts)
76. I am glad the FBI is taking this seriously,
Mon Oct 6, 2014, 12:19 PM
Oct 2014

but I hope the FBI moves more toward treatment than punishment.

I have stigmatized those who have been cruel to animals, such as Michael Vick, but I suspect this type of behavior is counterproductive, and contradicts my current values. Stigmatizing those who hurt vulnerable beings, such as children and pets, is easy for me to do, but I don't think the stigma accomplishes any goal I actually value.

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