Isis reconciles with al-Qaida group as Syria air strikes continue
Source: Guardian UK
Jabhat al-Nusra denounces US-led attacks as war on Islam, and leaders of group holding meetings with Islamic State
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Jabhat al-Nusra, which has been at odds with Isis for much of the past year, vowed retaliation for the US-led strikes, the first wave of which a week ago killed scores of its members. Many Nusra units in northern Syria appeared to have reconciled with the group, with which it had fought bitterly early this year.
A senior source confirmed that al-Nusra and Isis leaders were now holding war-planning meetings. While not yet formalised, the addition of at least some al-Nusra numbers to Isis would strengthen the groups ranks and further its reach at a time when air strikes are crippling its funding sources and slowing its advances in both Syria and Iraq.
Al-Nusra, which has direct ties to al-Qaidas leader, Ayman al-Zawahiri, denounced the attacks as a war on Islam, in an audio statement posted over the weekend. A senior al-Nusra figure told the Guardian that 73 members had defected to Isis last Friday alone and that scores more were planning to swear allegiance in coming days.
Read more: http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/sep/28/isis-al-qaida-air-strikes-syria
PeoViejo
(2,178 posts)The Parade of Virgins has been canceled. One is sick and the other refuses to march alone.
strawberries
(498 posts)Sunlei
(22,651 posts)Be sure to gather all in one spot for 'your meetings'.
flamingdem
(39,319 posts)and in my opinion this means Jordan, Turkey and other funders of Al Nusra have to cut them off or see the beheaders knocking on their palace doors.
TM99
(8,352 posts)Seriously, who doesn't see this type of thing coming.
So now al-Qaida, al-Nusra and Isis are all best buds again and totally united in their hatred and desire for revenge due to the airstrikes.
11th dimensional chess my ass.
Airstrikes can bring people together. They can bring peace and love and harmony, to all of our enemies.
Igel
(35,344 posts)Not only with similar views, but identical views and one organizational hierarchy.
It makes rationalizing all sorts of things easier to forget or insist on never having known that the two groups fought. The two have always been allies because now we need for them to always have been allies. Otherwise it's a stupid thing that was done, and we have defined ourselves as never doing stupid things. If we never do stupid things and causing them to become allies is stupid thing, however trivially stupid, then it's not something we did, meaning they have always been allies (or are now still not allies).
From there's it's but a step--albeit a fairly large one--to saying that al-qa'ida and Islam are the same thing. Once you start pretending that boundaries that others set up between themselves don't exist, they all merge into one large, shapeless, gray, and hostile (or pleasing) lump.
CJCRANE
(18,184 posts)Previously, it almost felt like some were trying to paint Al Qaeda and Al Nusra as "moderate" compared to ISIS.
But it's like saying one mafia family is moderately criminal and another is extremely criminal when in reality they are all gangsters.
quadrature
(2,049 posts)and 'nice terrorists' in Syria?
that was the plan, not so long ago.
seveneyes
(4,631 posts)Impossible. ISIL is not Islam, nor are the other non-Islam groups who are killing infidels and non-believers in the name of Allah and Islamic Sharia Law.
GeorgeGist
(25,322 posts)Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)al-Nusra Front is the al-Quaeda franchise outlet for Syria
IS is a split from that group that joined up with al-Qaeda in Iraq, to form the Islamic State of Iraq and al-Shams
Jordan and the gulf states fund and support al-Nusra
The united States wants the gulf states' help in attacking IS.
The Us claims the existence of another group, "khorasan."
"Khorasan" is actually just the al-Nusra front
This allows us to bomb and work against the al-Nusra front, while still letting our new allies fund and arm it shamelessly.
Al-Nusra has just openly re-aligned with IS.
Who we are purportedly working against
So what this means is that we are funding and arming our allies, allies who are funding and arming the people we are fighting, and we have made allowances for this by leaving a big gap for them to fund and arm these groups, even as we throw bombs and bullets at them. Most of what Jordan and the gulf states are sending that way is a product of US dollars, whether "defense aid" or simple commerce.
Can someone explain to me how this new "war" is not a blatant money laundering scheme for the United States military-industrial complex?
L0oniX
(31,493 posts)Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)KoKo
(84,711 posts)The media seems to be relying on memory "wipe out" of Aluminum Tubes, Yellow Cake from Niger, WMD lied about by Colin Powell to the UN, Abu Graeb Sexual Violation, Torture and Religious Humiliation of Prisoners (many of whom were innocent of anything), Rogue Military Contractors (not answerable to any US Military Code) who raped and murdered innocents, Rendition Flights to other secret torture centers run by the Coalition of the Willing or Coerced. lies, lies and more lies.
Flipping channels to find local weather this a.m. I saw a relaxed, smiling John McCain talking about the need for "Boots on the Ground" to achieve our goal because air strikes aren't enough. Does he (MIC) ever talk about anything else? The interviewer mumbled something about the "American People might not go for that..." but, the conversation immediately went back to more "Boots on the Ground." How we will pay for it wasn't asked.
PeoViejo
(2,178 posts)The Pentagon has to use the 'old' weapons stocks up in order to justify purchasing 'new' weapons stocks. The MIC wants to stay in continuous production, otherwise they have to charge more to resume production.
One glaring case I remember from the '70s was the B1 Bomber. Our University acquired a large stock of Aircraft Grade Aluminum from the original B1 contract after Congress killed it. The Contractor not only got rid of the material, but they destroyed all of the Dies and Molds used to build it, so when the Pentagon got approval to purchase more Aircraft, they had to pay the cost of starting from scratch. The MIC uses these kind of tactics to jawbone the Pentagon and Congress to get their way.
Nihil
(13,508 posts)Excellent summary there Scootaloo.
And no, no-one can explain to you how it isn't one big bloody money laundering scheme
without invoking (as mentioned elsewhere in this thread) the 1984 protocol, making
copious & frequent rewrites of history.
Yet still some people wonder why their posts wishing the latest batch of cannon fodder
a "safe journey & successful mission" get mocked for the short attention-span jingoistic
crap that it is.
flamingdem
(39,319 posts)and Jordan and Turkey, etc. will have to take a stand.
Both will side against IsilNusra in my opinion. They now see that they cannot be controlled.
WIN for our side (or not).