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Hissyspit

(45,788 posts)
Fri Sep 12, 2014, 09:46 PM Sep 2014

US Rep Sanford Calls Off Engagement to 'Soul Mate'

Source: Associated Press

By SEANNA ADCOX
— Sep. 12, 2014 8:11 PM EDT

COLUMBIA, S.C. (AP) — Republican U.S. Rep. Mark Sanford said Friday that he is calling off his engagement to Maria Belen Chapur because of the ongoing contention with his ex-wife, Jenny, four years after their divorce.

Sanford, then governor of South Carolina, famously disappeared from the state for five days in 2009, telling aides he was out hiking the Appalachian Trail. He returned to the state and at a tearful news conference confessed he was in Argentina and had been having an affair with Chapur.

Jenny Sanford, who has four children with Sanford, soon sued for divorce, which was granted in 2010.

Later, Sanford and Chapur — whom he once called his "soul mate" — became engaged. But Sanford, in a rambling message posted on his Facebook page Friday, said that he and Chapur are ending their engagement.

Read more: http://bigstory.ap.org/article/mark-sanford-calling-engagement-fiancee#overlay-context=article/family-slain-american-journalist-launches-fund

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US Rep Sanford Calls Off Engagement to 'Soul Mate' (Original Post) Hissyspit Sep 2014 OP
Maybe, just maybe the young lady has wised up and see this babbling liar for the person he is. Thinkingabout Sep 2014 #1
never marry... awoke_in_2003 Sep 2014 #4
Exactly Aerows Sep 2014 #37
Yep. distantearlywarning Sep 2014 #55
Hey..SC Politics.... KoKo Sep 2014 #2
Here's the link; copy this insane post before he deletes it. Divernan Sep 2014 #3
Copied. Raine1967 Sep 2014 #5
You could post it flamingdem Sep 2014 #8
This message was self-deleted by its author cosmicone Sep 2014 #13
Here is his post ... cosmicone Sep 2014 #10
His only hope is to blame this on Facebook posting while drunk... SunSeeker Sep 2014 #12
Like one comment said cosmicone Sep 2014 #14
Anyone who calls off his engagement on Facebook is a narcissist. SunSeeker Sep 2014 #15
That was my initial reaction. Wasted, and choosing FB as his last resort in the LuckyLib Sep 2014 #16
Woot! flamingdem Sep 2014 #25
Wow Scairp Sep 2014 #32
Not the first shot he's fired in this latest battle Scairp Sep 2014 #33
Typical whiney conservative hollowdweller Sep 2014 #39
His self-involvement is stunning Scairp Sep 2014 #45
Summation: Aerows Sep 2014 #38
Post removed Post removed Sep 2014 #50
Poor choice of words. Agschmid Sep 2014 #53
Well you can always go hiking on the Appalachian Trail again davidpdx Sep 2014 #6
Morons of South Carolina: Congratulations alcibiades_mystery Sep 2014 #7
OMG...that's a great post. SoapBox Sep 2014 #9
It will soon be reviled as "elitist" alcibiades_mystery Sep 2014 #11
Because all assholes in red states care about nowadays are their fucking taxes ProudToBeBlueInRhody Sep 2014 #31
After another "hike on the Appalachian Trail," has reconsidered. 6000eliot Sep 2014 #17
sometimes people in DU are just as mean as the right wingers.no visitation wilt the stilt Sep 2014 #18
I share your sentiments Tom Rinaldo Sep 2014 #19
"tried not be become part of a dueling lawyers lifestyle" Tanuki Sep 2014 #21
He's done creepy things. Overall he may be a creep, I don't know him Tom Rinaldo Sep 2014 #24
I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks that. Thank you. 7962 Sep 2014 #22
I have read on other sites about this matter that his kids don't smirkymonkey Sep 2014 #60
If they're older kids, they can legally make their own decisions, I think 7962 Sep 2014 #61
Not only that .. sendero Sep 2014 #28
I just want to address the use of the word "mistake" in regard to having an affair. Lisa D Sep 2014 #34
what does it say about a person wilt the stilt Sep 2014 #35
She's got the money and she's pissed and she's fucking with him hollowdweller Sep 2014 #40
so you condone this behavior wilt the stilt Sep 2014 #42
There is no good excuse to have an affair. Lisa D Sep 2014 #43
If he really wanted to see his children, why run for Congress, a position that takes him out Tanuki Sep 2014 #44
+1000 Tom Ripley Sep 2014 #59
Exactly. +1 distantearlywarning Sep 2014 #56
Look, these children are not babies, if they truly wanted to 'hang out' with their father they.... Tikki Sep 2014 #47
and you know a court negotiator would work? wilt the stilt Sep 2014 #48
I don't know one way or the other but negotiations have worked even with wealthy family situations. Tikki Sep 2014 #49
Did he tell her to take a hike? Scuba Sep 2014 #20
I can't help wondering VA_Jill Sep 2014 #23
Look close, he might have a new hiking partner...you never know...fool on you once and all that... Tikki Sep 2014 #26
Lying bastidge. Bette Noir Sep 2014 #27
before one can have soul mate, wouldn't they have to have a soul? olddad56 Sep 2014 #29
This guy must have wanted... 3catwoman3 Sep 2014 #30
Bullshit! their is imthevicar Sep 2014 #36
Trouble indeed... Tanuki Sep 2014 #46
Well... distantearlywarning Sep 2014 #57
SAnford never loved Jenny, he married her for her money and to help in his career JI7 Sep 2014 #41
Weirdo get the red out Sep 2014 #51
.... merrily Sep 2014 #52
Sounds like Mark needs to maybe take a long walk and think about this underpants Sep 2014 #54
He probably replaced her with a new woman. Elected & made his kids view his 'values' behavior. Sunlei Sep 2014 #58
Divorce is often a messy affair. Calista241 Sep 2014 #62

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
1. Maybe, just maybe the young lady has wised up and see this babbling liar for the person he is.
Fri Sep 12, 2014, 09:53 PM
Sep 2014

He did not tell the truth about the Appalachian trial and is fiancée has now went on the Appalachian trail. He should blame his stupid self, not his ex-wife.

 

awoke_in_2003

(34,582 posts)
4. never marry...
Fri Sep 12, 2014, 10:43 PM
Sep 2014

a person that you are having an affair with. If they cheated on their spouse, they will cheat on you.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
37. Exactly
Sat Sep 13, 2014, 07:22 PM
Sep 2014

I'll go further - if they brag about cheating on a prior spouse, they will eventually be bragging about cheating on you. Avoid like emotional nuclear waste.

distantearlywarning

(4,475 posts)
55. Yep.
Sun Sep 14, 2014, 09:25 AM
Sep 2014

There's a saying about that:

"How you get them is how you lose them"

This guy is a total piece of crap, and a hypocrite to boot.

KoKo

(84,711 posts)
2. Hey..SC Politics....
Fri Sep 12, 2014, 09:57 PM
Sep 2014

Heard some rumours that he was being considered for a 2016 run... He had redeemed himself......and has friends in "high places."

But, he reminds me more of the Palin Wing of the Repug Party. They just can't let go of their "roots in nefarious "stuff" that shows what Fools they Are!

Divernan

(15,480 posts)
3. Here's the link; copy this insane post before he deletes it.
Fri Sep 12, 2014, 10:34 PM
Sep 2014

It's over 4 pages long. The responses are, on the whole, delightfully scathing. Those few who support him urge him to delete this from his FB page. So here's the link - take a look at it quick because it will very likely be gone by the morning, if not sooner!

He is an idiot to have put all this in writing and then posted it publicly. If he had consulted with any halfway competent attorney before posting this, said attorney would have had him institutionalized before allowing this. It provides all kinds of goodies for his ex-wife's lawyers to present to family court to justify even further limiting his contact with his sons.
https://www.facebook.com/RepSanfordSC?hc_location=timeline

Raine1967

(11,589 posts)
5. Copied.
Fri Sep 12, 2014, 10:57 PM
Sep 2014

His s ex wife is having none of his horshit.

is he seriously blaming his ex wife as a resin for his calling off his engagement to his soul mate? I call foul.

Response to flamingdem (Reply #8)

 

cosmicone

(11,014 posts)
10. Here is his post ...
Sat Sep 13, 2014, 12:18 AM
Sep 2014

Congressman Mark Sanford
8 hours ago
I apologize for the length of this post, but given the gravity of the issue at hand when I sat down to write late last night a long list of things came to my mind.

More than anything, I am struck by two truths. One, it seems that history well documents that those who work to avoid conflict at all costs wind up being those destined in many instances to find much conflict. Peace at all costs rarely brings it. On the other hand, Jesus was incredibly clear in the book of Luke that we are to turn the other cheek at offenses and that if someone took our shirt, we were to offer our coat as well.

In this light I have struggled in how to respond since being contacted little more than a week ago regarding yet another lawsuit by yet a new, and third, lawyer retained by my former wife Jenny. I first learned of it through the media and I didn’t want to respond at all, but given the level of accusation after waiting a day I gave a brief response.

My question now though is how to respond given I am being summoned to the court room again on Monday. I have prayed on it, thought on it and asked the advice of friends.

Here is where I have settled:

I cannot do this anymore. In all life there comes a point wherein lines must be drawn in the way that we attempt to respond in ways that don’t invite more in the way of conflict and add more in the way of modeling Christ’s humility in giving in every instance. I’ll never get that mix right, none of us do, but I believe it’s what we are to pursue in all of our responses to the inevitable reality of conflict in our lives.

So here are a few thoughts that hit me:

One, in as much as you sign my paycheck and you have elected me to represent you in Washington, I think I owe you my thinking on this personal, but now public matter. More than at any time in my life, I believe I am subject to not just the laws of God, but the authority of my fellow man.

Two, I am going to get a lawyer to defend me on this case. I will instruct them not to fight back, to work to de-escalate and defuse and to look for measured justice and an end to controversy. At the time of the divorce I did not get a lawyer because I could not imagine standing in a court room with one in some adversarial form against the mother of our boys. Since then, and almost as clock work over the last four and one half years since the divorce, unfortunately there has been either the threat of lawsuit or actual lawsuit about every six months. In every instance I have either settled, represented myself or gotten two longtime friends to help me in responding. I have always tried to quiet the matter because at so many different levels I wanted to do anything to avoid conflict. I didn’t want to further hurt or embarrass the boys, Jenny, the people I had once represented…or even myself with more talk on my personal life. In fact more public conflict after the events of five years ago was the last thing in the world I wanted.

There was also the issue of money. Spending money getting lawyers to resolve differences, when I believed any two people sitting down could do the same, also broke with my belief on stewardship…or what some would call my frugal ways. But here we are and I am comfortable knowing I have tried near everything within my power to avoid lawyers and court - and in my belief that I will continue to work to avoid acrimony going forward. I am simply handing off the keys in dealing with this so that I can focus without further distraction on our boys and my work in Washington.
Three, let’s recognize the degree to which what’s being done seems designed to embarrass me rather than change anything. As mentioned I never hired a lawyer at the time of the divorce which in practical terms means I just folded all the cards in giving Jenny what she wanted at that time. She wanted a certain financial number that I didn’t have, and so I gave her pieces of our family farm that my dad and mom assembled in the 1950’s and 60’s. They were obviously not “marital assets” normally divided in a divorce, but the only way I could manage to get to her number. She wanted full custody of the boys, I gave it. She wanted full control of their custodial accounts which were very significant in size, I gave it. I did these things for two reasons. One, because my good friend Cubby Culbertson had reminded me that it was all God’s - and if he wanted you to have more, you would…and if he wanted you to have less, you would have less. He accordingly strongly advised against spending money and time and controversy fighting over things that God ultimately controlled. It was good advice. I also did it because in that chapter of life I could not take any more controversy, and what Jenny had said at that time was that if she didn’t get those things we would go to court and just have another public spectacle. I found that idea haunting, and so I indeed folded all the cards and that brings us to today.

Jenny’s attorney’s newest summons asks that the visitation schedule be changed to limit my visitation with our youngest son Blake. The question is how do you change what does not exist? There is no visitation schedule. She has full custody. Over the last five years she has determined the visitation schedule and informed me at the beginning of this year that I would not be given one. I pleaded otherwise, pointing out that no boy wants to be put in the place of having to pick between their mother and dad.

This year with no schedule has certainly resulted in a lot of time apart from the boys, as for instance I was not able to spend a night with Bolton for 17 weeks this spring. The same holds true last year when they were not allowed to be with me during the five months of the campaign, save the election nights. The trump card has always been, “if you don’t like it, take me to court”, and for all the reasons described this has never been a place I felt comfortable going. The absence of schedule now simply results in strange emails, as for instance I got one two days ago from Jenny’s new lawyer advising me that to arrange any visit with Blake I should come through her. If I had normal parental rights why in the world would I be getting a note like this from an attorney when in that case our son wants nothing more than to go to the USC football game?
So here is my take away. To now suggest that we need to amend what does not exist strikes me as either pure theatre or a punitive restriction to further limit what has devolved to be very limited time with the boys.
Four, let’s call an ace an ace when someone is playing for the media. In fact there is a touch of irony when one reads about the attorney’s desire to seal the records “to protect the children” at the very time when I am getting calls and emails from across the country from friends reading about this matter in their hometown papers. Let me give you a few examples of the way some of these accusations seem designed to generate media attention, and let me in short form answer a few of these accusations.

In their summons I am “restrained” from the following:

“Consuming or being under the influence of illegal drugs or excessive amounts of alcohol in the presence, or while responsible for, the care of the minor child.” This really is crazy. Why would one throw out the need for restraint if it were not a problem - or if one did not want to raise the specter of a problem? On this one all I can ask is that you talk to anyone who has seen or known me over my entire 54 years in the Low Country. I have never taken any illegal drug in my life. I did not drink in high school or college and though I do drink now, my consumption is so limited that my friends give me a hard time about it. I will have but one beer or two when out at a social occasion.

“Restrained from entering or attempting to enter the property of Plaintiff.” We have already been through this with the Super bowl and my taking our youngest son Blake home from a Super bowl party two years ago when his mom was out of town. I made the wrong call (though I thought the right call as a dad to be with him and not to just drop him off) and have never set foot on her property since then. I don’t know why this is being brought back up again.

"Exposing the minor child overnight to a member of the opposite sex not related by blood who could be reasonably construed as a paramour.” Though Jenny herself has certainly not lived up to this clause it is clearly aimed at me given near everyone knows about Belen and in that regard it seems designed to create intrigue where none exists. The younger boys have never spent a night housed under the same roof with Belen and with the exception of one night and a major conversation that lasted well into that night, the same holds true for the older boys. I was primarily motivated to do so by a love for the boys and wanting to go to great lengths to never again put them in an uncomfortable spot. I was also motivated by fear because there was very frequently a consequence in not being allowed to see the boys if I did something my former wife disliked.

No relationship can stand forever this tension of being forced to pick between the one you love and your own son or daughter, and for this reason Belen and I have decided to call off the engagement. Maybe there will be another chapter when waters calm with Jenny, but at this point the environment is not conducive to building anything given no one would want to be caught in the middle of what’s now happening. Belen is a remarkably wonderful woman who I have always loved and I will be forever grateful for not only the many years we have known and loved each other, but the last six very tough ones wherein she has encouraged me and silently borne its tribulations with her ever warm and kind spirit.

Finally, Jenny and her lawyer also go on to ask me to undertake an array of programs and evaluations, each one more riveting than the next. As a public figure people have seen me over twenty years in the highs and lows and most trying of times, and if I was plagued by the afflictions they suggest wouldn’t people have seen me mad or angry by now? In simplest form I don’t understand how I can be elected by a wide array of folks at home to attempt to represent their interests in Washington, but if the Plaintiff’s view was to prevail, be required to take psychiatric and psychological evaluations to be with our youngest son. Posing those sorts of questions is destructive plain and simple, and in fairness to my friends in the media if those type questions are raised they will report them – which is why you have been subjected to reading this response and media accounts.

So where does all this leave us?

One, with my continued belief that for whatever our differences, I believe these boys have a mom who loves them and cares about them. I will never attempt to detract from her or all the positive things she has done in her life, but having to go frequently to ask a former spouse when you can have time with a son is a recipe for conflict. I hope and believe Jenny and I can find a new way. It’s also reminder for every one of you who have been blessed to avoid the agony of divorce, of how important it is you spend time when you have it with those who now bear your name.

Two, I am left with a wise oldest son who’s wisdom is to follow Christ’s example of just letting go and trusting that God is in control and will ensure his youngest brother’s future success. That the key to ending conflict sometimes just means walking away from it. If there is a way I can do that without walking from my son, I will pursue it.

Finally, I am left humbled in my inability to determine outcomes and reminded again of how the only thing we can ultimately work on fixing is ourselves. So for me these days it means rededication to trying as best I can to walk in the light of God’s grace. It means pointing to truth wherever I see it and trying to live by it. It means listening a bit more so that maybe I can better understand the grand canvas of what I don’t see and understand.

This posting has been most personal, but again given the gravity of what has been alleged I felt compelled to address it and the larger context of where our family is and where we are headed. I ask for both your prayers and consideration in this process.

Thank you. Mark

 

cosmicone

(11,014 posts)
14. Like one comment said
Sat Sep 13, 2014, 12:30 AM
Sep 2014

He is a narcissist. Look at how many times "I" appears in the post. It is all about him.

SunSeeker

(51,649 posts)
15. Anyone who calls off his engagement on Facebook is a narcissist.
Sat Sep 13, 2014, 12:43 AM
Sep 2014

That's for posting that before his lawyers got to it. LOL

LuckyLib

(6,819 posts)
16. That was my initial reaction. Wasted, and choosing FB as his last resort in the
Sat Sep 13, 2014, 01:16 AM
Sep 2014

siege. And leaving it all to God! (Except for posting endless details that as the OP indictated, any attorney would advise against.)

Scairp

(2,749 posts)
32. Wow
Sat Sep 13, 2014, 02:23 PM
Sep 2014

What an ass. I can't believe he posts something like this, all the while claiming to be the hapless victim of a vindictive ex-wife and a father only trying to have a relationship with his children. Pathetic. And I agree, he does need to undergo some type of evaluation. Personally, I think he's nuts.

Scairp

(2,749 posts)
33. Not the first shot he's fired in this latest battle
Sat Sep 13, 2014, 02:32 PM
Sep 2014

He post this earlier:

As I've expressed countless times, I am sorry for the way I handled the events of 2009, but no degree of acrimony will fix nor change its history. I've come to believe that we all have chapters of life that we wish we might handle differently, but as I'm sure you're well aware by now, my former wife Jenny has moved forward with another legal claim. I refrained from responding in the first 24 hours because response in any form seems to be a no win, but given the level of the claims and accusations, I felt it important to respond. Accordingly, the statement I gave to the Associated Press after their request is as follows:

“Divorce has many different tragedies and in some cases, unfortunately, unrelenting bitterness seems to be one of them. Since the time of the divorce I have tried to do everything in my power to be both a good dad and a former husband. It seems that nothing I can do at this point is enough, appropriate or adequate. The different accusations and requests made are, by their very nature preposterous, crazy, and wrong. I have avoided responding in these sorts of things as best I could over the past five years and I want to continue to do so. But when accusations are made that would suggest inadequacy in my role as a father or inadequacy in my professional role as a congressman, they have to be addressed. I think anybody who knows me in the Lowcountry knows that these accusations are false."


He's toast.

 

hollowdweller

(4,229 posts)
39. Typical whiney conservative
Sat Sep 13, 2014, 07:37 PM
Sep 2014

Judgmental asshole who think they can do no wrong. Accusing people of the very bad things they do themselves.

Scairp

(2,749 posts)
45. His self-involvement is stunning
Sat Sep 13, 2014, 09:52 PM
Sep 2014

It's so clearly on display in this "essay", for lack of a better word, and he is utterly unaware of it. It's amusing and shocking and really sad for the kids. They are the victims in this mess, 'cause it for sure isn't Mark Sanford.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
38. Summation:
Sat Sep 13, 2014, 07:25 PM
Sep 2014

"Blah blah blah, I'm a highly moral man that cheated on his wife, left her and my 4 children, lied about it, blah blah blah, but I've been wronged because people are telling the truth about what I did."

Response to Divernan (Reply #3)

 

alcibiades_mystery

(36,437 posts)
7. Morons of South Carolina: Congratulations
Fri Sep 12, 2014, 11:48 PM
Sep 2014

You elected a representative who actually represents you.

Dumbasses.

SoapBox

(18,791 posts)
9. OMG...that's a great post.
Sat Sep 13, 2014, 12:12 AM
Sep 2014

What the fuck is wrong with people these days...to vote in this piece of shit.

 

alcibiades_mystery

(36,437 posts)
11. It will soon be reviled as "elitist"
Sat Sep 13, 2014, 12:19 AM
Sep 2014

We're not allowed to say that some shit truly and actually SUCKS. And nobody has to take responsibility for their fucked up communities.

ProudToBeBlueInRhody

(16,399 posts)
31. Because all assholes in red states care about nowadays are their fucking taxes
Sat Sep 13, 2014, 01:51 PM
Sep 2014

John Wayne Gacy could get elected as long as he promised to make sure black people and single mothers don't get any money.

 

wilt the stilt

(4,528 posts)
18. sometimes people in DU are just as mean as the right wingers.no visitation
Sat Sep 13, 2014, 07:19 AM
Sep 2014

He is guilty of having an affair. He fell out of love form his wife and fell in love with someone else. this really happens all the time. did he make a mistake yes.

Do you think that this transgression is so horrible that he should not be allowed to see his kids. This is 5 years later. At some point Jenny has to get over it. They are his kids also.

If you folks think that this is right I wonder what separates you from the "mean" right winger. not much I figure.

Tom Rinaldo

(22,913 posts)
19. I share your sentiments
Sat Sep 13, 2014, 07:46 AM
Sep 2014

This is not a man who I would elect to anything, for oh so many reasons, among them the fact that his life is in turmoil without even touching on his politics which I strongly disagree with. His personal life imploded and he is responsible for that. That is actually tragic because he was moved by his heart in that original instance to do some very dumb things, not by money as is so often the case., and he seems honestly to fallen in love with another woman. He is not fully stable, he caused a lot of pain to himself but to others he loved also.All true and more, but I don't want to tear into him because of his openly grappling with the matters that consume his personal life now. I prefer that to the false front act of projecting an above it all perfect persona that so many of our politicians use.

He may be unfit to serve in Congress, but his anguish is real even if self inflicted. I actually appreciate the fact that it seems he tried not to become part of a dueling lawyers lifestyle. I also appreciate the fact that he still acknowledges that his ex wife is a loving mother. Jenny has good reason to be angry and not to trust him, I wouldn't either, but not for being over revealing on Facebook.

This is all pretty sad really

Tanuki

(14,920 posts)
21. "tried not be become part of a dueling lawyers lifestyle"
Sat Sep 13, 2014, 09:05 AM
Sep 2014

I think that choice had nothing to do with a commitment to taking the high ground, but the fact that Jenny was an independently wealthy heiress who would have out-lawyered him at every step. He also knew that his own behavior gave her plenty of ammunition. He is a coward and a creep. I recall that in his first public statement after the "Appalachian Trail" fiasco, he said that he pursued the relationship with Belen only after his wife had moved out, implying that he was the injured party in the marriage. It became clear, very quickly, that Jenny had moved out because she found out about the affair and only moved out after Sanford kept on seeing Belen even after marriage counseling and promising to stop. If he wanted to avoid court proceedings to spare his children sordid publicity, why barf all of this out on social media?

Tom Rinaldo

(22,913 posts)
24. He's done creepy things. Overall he may be a creep, I don't know him
Sat Sep 13, 2014, 10:04 AM
Sep 2014

Most people are a complex mixed bag. I have no doubt he did not use Facebook to reveal all of his most self serving reasons for making all the choices that he made. At this point he could figure that it is going to court now anyway and the media will cover it so his comments now don't add to that. I doubt very much I would like him personally, politics aside, but his pain now seems real and I'm just not inclined to make fun of it or gloat over it in any way either.

 

7962

(11,841 posts)
22. I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks that. Thank you.
Sat Sep 13, 2014, 09:19 AM
Sep 2014

He hasnt done anything that should prevent him from seeing his children. He's not dangerous or a threat to anyone. that would be different.
This happens a lot in divorces

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
60. I have read on other sites about this matter that his kids don't
Mon Sep 15, 2014, 07:32 PM
Sep 2014

really want anything to do with him. They are in their late teens/early 20's and can see him any time they like. They just choose not to. It's not hard to see why. He is just trying to drum up pity for himself. It's pretty pathetic.

sendero

(28,552 posts)
28. Not only that ..
Sat Sep 13, 2014, 11:43 AM
Sep 2014

... but if the genders were reversed there would be OUTRAGE about the conduct of the spouse refusing visitation.

Sometimes I think people here cannot read. Is the ex wife REALLY filing a suit 4 years later? Get the fuck over it.

Lisa D

(1,532 posts)
34. I just want to address the use of the word "mistake" in regard to having an affair.
Sat Sep 13, 2014, 02:42 PM
Sep 2014

If Sanford was unhappy in his marriage or no longer in love with his wife, he had choices. He could have asked for a separation or a divorce. Not easy and still painful for his family, but necessary if he wanted to be with someone else.

Instead, he *chose* to lie to his wife and betray her in one of the worst ways possible, which led to her very public humiliation and the Appalachian Trail nonsense. That was an intentional choice he made and, unfortunately, his wife, his children, Chapur, and Sanford himself are now dealing with the ugly consequences of his choice. He may deeply regret those choices and consequences now, but his behavior was not some unintentional mistake and he needs to own those consequences.

However, I do absolutely agree with you that he should have visitation with his children. That is a completely separate issue from his affair.

 

wilt the stilt

(4,528 posts)
35. what does it say about a person
Sat Sep 13, 2014, 06:56 PM
Sep 2014

who withholds visitation. That is using your kids as pawns and in my opinion infinitely worse that having an affair. That is mean and vindictive beyond the pale and actually says way more about her heart and soul. This is 5 years later. Any wonder why he had an affair. How would you like to live with someone who has a heart like that.

 

hollowdweller

(4,229 posts)
40. She's got the money and she's pissed and she's fucking with him
Sat Sep 13, 2014, 07:43 PM
Sep 2014

As a politician he sort of represents a party that is petty and vindictive like this. To me it's karma. The man is wrong in so many ways he's shifted the luck plane away from him.

Lisa D

(1,532 posts)
43. There is no good excuse to have an affair.
Sat Sep 13, 2014, 09:46 PM
Sep 2014

I just won't agree that his wife *deserved* to be deceived and betrayed by someone who took a vow to love, honor and cherish her. If marriage to his wife was so awful, he could have divorced her instead of dragging them all through the mud and muck of a very public affair.

My guess is that he wanted to have his cake and eat it, too. A wife and family at home to make him look like the upstanding, "family values" Republican, and his mistress on the side. The Appalachian trail story blew up his hypocritical fantasy.

And as I said in my previous post, I believe he deserves to see his children.

Tanuki

(14,920 posts)
44. If he really wanted to see his children, why run for Congress, a position that takes him out
Sat Sep 13, 2014, 09:51 PM
Sep 2014

of the state where the children live so much of the time?

Tikki

(14,559 posts)
47. Look, these children are not babies, if they truly wanted to 'hang out' with their father they....
Sat Sep 13, 2014, 10:17 PM
Sep 2014

could have a court negotiator intervene with a judge and ask for more time for their well being.

I am betting these young men see the hypocrisy their father oozes. And I believe their mother is still
trying to raise her sons on her conservative beliefs.

I would never raise any child that way, but it is what the two of them espoused when they were together
and it is sanford that changed the rules, not his wife.


Tikki

 

wilt the stilt

(4,528 posts)
48. and you know a court negotiator would work?
Sat Sep 13, 2014, 10:32 PM
Sep 2014

pure speculation she has full custody and she is still filing lawsuits. So you think it is right to deny visitation?

Tikki

(14,559 posts)
49. I don't know one way or the other but negotiations have worked even with wealthy family situations.
Sat Sep 13, 2014, 10:42 PM
Sep 2014

If a child requested it for emotional reasons.

These young men may not be as anxious as Sanford is for more time.

Tikki

VA_Jill

(9,994 posts)
23. I can't help wondering
Sat Sep 13, 2014, 09:57 AM
Sep 2014

if María Belén told HIM to take a hike! After 4 years you would think…….but oh, no, his precious career! It's not as if congresscritters don't get divorced and remarried now and then; even Repugnicans do it! This just sounds fishy. Soul mate, my sainted Aunt Matilda!

Tikki

(14,559 posts)
26. Look close, he might have a new hiking partner...you never know...fool on you once and all that...
Sat Sep 13, 2014, 11:09 AM
Sep 2014



Tikki

Tanuki

(14,920 posts)
46. Trouble indeed...
Sat Sep 13, 2014, 09:58 PM
Sep 2014
http://mobile.nytimes.com/2014/09/14/us/mark-sanford-mistress-affair-engagement.html?smid=tw-share&_r=2&referrer

"....Over the intervening months the relationship collapsed as the two argued over a wedding date, Ms. Chapur said in an interview on Saturday. Ms. Chapur said Mr. Sanford had asked to delay the marriage by two more years, when his son Blake would no longer be a minor and a divorce fight with his ex-wife over visitation rights would be moot. “I’ve already been five years waiting and two years since the engagement,” she said.
Ms. Chapur was speaking from Paris, where she had just spent a week with Mr. Sanford.
“We had a great time here, we were like in a honeymoon,” she said. “I thought that he might tell me, ‘O.K., let’s put a date, end of 2015.’ But that didn’t happen. That’s why I wrote to him, ‘I had a spectacular week, you know I love you, but I don’t want to continue in the category of mistress, and if we continue like this I continue in that category, and I can’t bear it anymore. It has been really painful to me.'?”

She continued, “His response was, ’24 months. If not I’ll say goodbye and I will look for you in 24 months.'?” She said she had asked him to make their break public, but that Mr. Sanford did not warn her before announcing it on Facebook on Friday, catching her off guard. “I learned it from the press today,” she said Saturday."
...."Ms. Chapur said on Saturday that she did not buy Mr. Sanford’s explanation that his divorce was standing in the way of their marriage, and that he should not “leave blame on Jenny.” Ms. Chapur said she felt as if she had been cast aside now that Mr. Sanford was back in political office (he will face no major challenge this fall). “I think that I was not useful to him anymore — he made the engagement thing four months before the elections,” Ms. Chapur said. “So this is not about his son, this is about his career and his ambitions.” Mr. Sanford, she said, “truly was the love of my life.” But, she added, “In 24 months, what was it going to be?”

distantearlywarning

(4,475 posts)
57. Well...
Sun Sep 14, 2014, 09:57 AM
Sep 2014

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I would not be surprised if he was just using the wife and all the court stuff as a convenient excuse not to marry the mistress. His relationship with her was probably a lot more fun when it was all illicit and sneaking around and Paris-vacation fantasy-land instead of boring real life with household chores, children, and actually having to live with someone 24-7. Sometimes the best thing a betrayed partner can do to hurry the karma bus along is to set the cheater free to be with his or her 'soul mate'.

And Ms. Chapur may have cause to look back and be grateful that she didn't end up marrying this self-absorbed hypocrite. As much as she finds the category of mistress painful, I suspect she would have found the category of "second betrayed wife" even more painful. When you read what this guy writes about his life, it's pretty clear that even after all these years he still has little self-awareness about why he behaved in the way he did, he doesn't take responsibility for his own choices and consequences, and he doesn't care about anyone else's pain beyond his own. Even in his Facebook manifesto, it's all about him and how he feels and how he's been wronged blah blah blah - if he cares so much about this so-called "soul mate", why does he barely even mention her or her feelings? This is the mentality of a guy who's going to cheat again.

JI7

(89,261 posts)
41. SAnford never loved Jenny, he married her for her money and to help in his career
Sat Sep 13, 2014, 07:54 PM
Sep 2014

then he found someone he fell in love with and realized there is more to life . but by this time he had kids which makes things difficult.

so in a way this is his fault for his earlier selfishness . even if jenny is being unfair it was unfair for him to use her .

i'm sure he will get married once the kids are all legally adults unless he can get something worked out before.

underpants

(182,865 posts)
54. Sounds like Mark needs to maybe take a long walk and think about this
Sun Sep 14, 2014, 09:24 AM
Sep 2014

Maybe there is a nice long trail that will help him clear his mind

Calista241

(5,586 posts)
62. Divorce is often a messy affair.
Mon Sep 15, 2014, 08:38 PM
Sep 2014

I have personally seen people trying to exact revenge in divorce proceedings, rather than trying to do what's best for themselves, their former partner, or their children / grandchildren / other family.

It sounds to me as both of these people have gone off the deep end.

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