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BradBlog

(2,938 posts)
Fri Sep 12, 2014, 07:03 PM Sep 2014

GOP APPOINTEES ON FEDERAL APPEALS COURT RESTORE PHOTO ID VOTING RESTRICTION IN WI

Source: BRAD BLOG



GOP APPOINTEES ON FEDERAL APPEALS COURT RESTORE PHOTO ID VOTING RESTRICTION IN WI
Republican voter suppression laws getting huge boost from GOP jurists in WI and NC, where hundreds recently disenfranchised...

Wisconsin's Republican Gov. Scott Walker notched a huge victory today at the U.S. 7th Circuit Court of Appeals. The ruling could very well result in the controversial Governor's re-election this November --- at the expense of untold thousands of legally registered voters who may now not be able to vote at all this year.

This morning, a three-judge panel heard Walker's appeal to the federal ruling that previously struck down his Photo ID voting restriction law. By afternoon, almost immediately following the hearing, the three GOP-appointed federal judges (a Reagan appointee, and two George W. Bush appointees) restored the restrictive voting measure in advance of the November general election…

FULL STORY: http://www.bradblog.com/?p=10807


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GOP APPOINTEES ON FEDERAL APPEALS COURT RESTORE PHOTO ID VOTING RESTRICTION IN WI (Original Post) BradBlog Sep 2014 OP
Well this stinks yeoman6987 Sep 2014 #1
The ID's have been free since the law was enacted. Walker signed legislation to help people get PeaceNikki Sep 2014 #3
When my mom needed her marriage certificate for a new NE ID... Omaha Steve Sep 2014 #8
oh, I know. I know... PeaceNikki Sep 2014 #9
Nope. You are wrong. BradBlog Sep 2014 #10
DMV center hours have already been cut... snacker Sep 2014 #11
Unfortunately, DMV is probably the quickest and easiest for most people dragonlady Sep 2014 #16
lol PeaceNikki Sep 2014 #12
Thank you Brad. murielm99 Sep 2014 #15
lol, cute. I was answering a question regarding the cost of state issued ID's. They are free. PeaceNikki Sep 2014 #21
Imagine that. Your link to WI DMW gives 404 "Page Missing" error... BradBlog Sep 2014 #28
wrong tree, dude PeaceNikki Sep 2014 #30
Wrong dude, PeaceNikki BradBlog Sep 2014 #33
You're barking up it, Brad and I am sick of the way you are treating me. PeaceNikki Sep 2014 #36
And I'm sick of you misinforming readers here, and being obnoxious about it. BradBlog Sep 2014 #38
I didn't imply anything, murielm99 Sep 2014 #29
Please explain what you just posted to me. freshwest Sep 2014 #31
When people vote, Republicans lose. blkmusclmachine Sep 2014 #2
THAT is the truth onecaliberal Sep 2014 #4
Absolutely right. Republicans don't appeal to human beings. n/t Judi Lynn Sep 2014 #7
We need to get valid voter ID to those who need it and Jack Rabbit Sep 2014 #5
They will ask en banc hearing cosmicone Sep 2014 #6
The full panel will decide the issue, and the bench is far more balanced as you say. Fred Sanders Sep 2014 #13
The full panel is unlikely to do anything in time for the election dragonlady Sep 2014 #17
Could the full panel not overturn the overturning of the stay then? Fred Sanders Sep 2014 #20
Maybe they could dragonlady Sep 2014 #22
Posner will be heavily involved and is very influential, there is good reason to hope. Fred Sanders Sep 2014 #24
Yes, they could put a stay on the 3 (GOP) judge panel's order... BradBlog Sep 2014 #34
Thank you for more clearly explaining the law and the principle behind it, do the least harm. Fred Sanders Sep 2014 #35
It is not a bad idea to have ID laws, but sadoldgirl Sep 2014 #14
GOP has *long* blocked national ID cards... BradBlog Sep 2014 #37
Justices only needed to review the plan of closing 10 DMV ,in 2011, midnight Sep 2014 #18
ENOUGH turbinetree Sep 2014 #19
Scott Walker's Favorite Judge Rescues Voter ID snacker Sep 2014 #23
"DMV is not the proper safeguard of the most fundamental right in our democracy" Fred Sanders Sep 2014 #25
Perfect. Also, do we need an amendment saying the right to vote shall not be abridged? freshwest Sep 2014 #32
It is interesting, probably many of the people needing ID's are not drivers but are probably on Thinkingabout Sep 2014 #26
I don't know how they can rig the system Faux pas Sep 2014 #27
 

yeoman6987

(14,449 posts)
1. Well this stinks
Fri Sep 12, 2014, 07:09 PM
Sep 2014

Is there any possible way for the DNC to offer free ID cards to those who want one? I wonder how much it would cost? Might be worth it for the additional votes. I would imagine most have an ID already so we might be talking a reasonable amount. Even a hundred grand in the long run would pay out big dividends.

PeaceNikki

(27,985 posts)
3. The ID's have been free since the law was enacted. Walker signed legislation to help people get
Fri Sep 12, 2014, 07:14 PM
Sep 2014

birth certs free, that was part of the deal.

"In their order on Friday the three judges noted that Wisconsin has put into place new procedures that make it easier for people to obtain birth certificates or other documents they need to acquire free state identification cards."

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/09/12/us-usa-wisconsin-voter-idUSKBN0H726S20140912

Omaha Steve

(99,660 posts)
8. When my mom needed her marriage certificate for a new NE ID...
Fri Sep 12, 2014, 08:00 PM
Sep 2014

IT took several months for the county to find it. It was misfiled when the county went from paper, to micro, to electronic. The work was done by a contractor, not full time help. They just didn't give a crap.

Mom needed it to move into a HUD subsidized apartment. So it held that up.

The had the same problem with other vital records like births, deaths, etc...

OS

BradBlog

(2,938 posts)
10. Nope. You are wrong.
Fri Sep 12, 2014, 09:29 PM
Sep 2014

The (activist) Republican state Supreme Court, in the state cases, legislated from the bench to mandate that Birth Certificates be free in certain circumstances. They were not, as you asserted, when Walker signed the law.

Moreover, what if a birth certificate doesn't exist for you, as is the case for many elderly voters born at home in the South?

Moreover, what if you don't drive (hence, no drivers license) and must take off work to get to a DMV, somehow? Should you have to lose money to vote? Why should a 97-year old voter have to jump through these hoops to get an ID, after voting all of their lives w/o prob, when you do not have to? Particularly when Walker and state Republicans were unable to show any evidence of actual fraud that might have been deterred by their new voter suppression law?

snacker

(3,619 posts)
11. DMV center hours have already been cut...
Fri Sep 12, 2014, 10:14 PM
Sep 2014

and some in the northern part of the state are only open several times a year. I just checked the Minocqua DMV hours, for example, and they will be open only one day before the election takes place. So if you live in that area of the state and need a photo ID, you have one day--November 4th between the hours of 9 a.m. to 3:45 p.m.--to get one.

You can check other days and hours of operation here:

http://www.dot.wisconsin.gov/about/locate/dmv/

I'm livid about this decision. Am I correct that the only places in the state to get a photo ID are DMV centers?

dragonlady

(3,577 posts)
16. Unfortunately, DMV is probably the quickest and easiest for most people
Sat Sep 13, 2014, 12:21 AM
Sep 2014

You can also use a passport, military ID, college IDs if they meet the requirements, naturalization certificate, or Wisconsin tribal ID. Those are either cumbersome and expensive to get or limited to certain classes of people.

The problems for people up north were one important aspect covered by the evidence submitted to the district court. Too bad the appellate court skipped over all of that.

murielm99

(30,745 posts)
15. Thank you Brad.
Fri Sep 12, 2014, 11:57 PM
Sep 2014

Keep us informed on this story, even though Walkers naysayers show up here to support his actions.

PeaceNikki

(27,985 posts)
21. lol, cute. I was answering a question regarding the cost of state issued ID's. They are free.
Sat Sep 13, 2014, 11:20 AM
Sep 2014

Last edited Sat Sep 13, 2014, 02:25 PM - Edit history (1)

AND the basis of the decision to allow voter ID is the state's claim that now DMV is going to issue people ID without birth certificates. Here is a link to the rules: http://www.dot.wisconsin.gov/.../apply/petition-process.htm

It's extremely important to include that information because we need people to know that they can and should be TRYING to get their ID's and asking for help if they need it because it seems this shitty law will be in place for the November election.

You implied I am a "Walker naysayer" who is "supporting his actions"? Laughable. I am working with grassroots organizations organizing and getting people to DMV and see if this works. In addition, I am working with the DEMOCRATIC party to get people to the polls, as well as observing and working the polls. What have you done recently to earn your "liberal cred" besides taking passive aggressive swipes at people you don't know on the internet?

Corrected link those need know options: http://www.dot.wisconsin.gov/drivers/drivers/apply/petition-process.htm

BradBlog

(2,938 posts)
28. Imagine that. Your link to WI DMW gives 404 "Page Missing" error...
Sat Sep 13, 2014, 02:14 PM
Sep 2014

Huh. Go figure. And just the day after the RW judges reinstated the GOP voter suppression scheme. Imagine.

"Free" IDs aren't free if you don't have the money for the underlying documents needed to acquire one and/or dont have the means to get to the DMV and/or can't afford the time off work to get one.

Furthermore, it's also violative of both the U.S. Constituiton AND the Voting Rights Act if there is a racial disparity among those who need to suddenly acquire one (which there is.)

You sure are working hard in support of a discriminatory voter suppression law here, PeaceNikki. Why would you be doing that?

BradBlog

(2,938 posts)
33. Wrong dude, PeaceNikki
Sat Sep 13, 2014, 04:21 PM
Sep 2014

I don't know what this "wrong tree" thing is you've now posted twice. But as to your link, that now works, but didn't before, you'll note that these new DMV rules are "Effective Monday, September 15, 2014".

That is less than a month a half before the November election, and in stark contradiction to your initial, completely false, inaccurate and misleading claim above, that "The ID's have been free since the law was enacted. Walker signed legislation to help people get birth certs free, that was part of the deal."

In case you were unaware, or just don't care, Walker moved to close 10 DMVs (in most Democratic areas) and extend the hours at other DMVs (in most Republican areas) back in 2011, just after he signed the Photo ID voting restriction into law.

As to pretending the process is simple, and that Walker has been doing the right thing all along, you may wish to check out how "simple" that process was for this woman -- a white woman, with all of the required documentation -- when she attempted to help her son receive a "free" ID for voting back in 2011, just after the law was signed by Walker.

You are welcome to keep offering misleading BS for readers here, of course. But you can expect me to keep correcting your record.

PeaceNikki

(27,985 posts)
36. You're barking up it, Brad and I am sick of the way you are treating me.
Sat Sep 13, 2014, 04:33 PM
Sep 2014

Save your personal attacks, I fully agree with everything you're posting, you can stop being a jackass any time now.

I've offered nothing misleading. Nothing. The cost of the ID's has been free for a couple years. Yes, I GET the idea that the transportation to, required docs and all of that are not I really do. And I am not, as you said, in support of this. I never was, and never will be. But it appears we need to move our asses and help people if we want them to vote in November. I do. Do you? I am working hard to get people to the polls and make sure they know what they *can* do and what I can do to help them. Helping people to be eligible to vote in November is not supporting the suppression. We both want the same thing, fair elections and this fucking Voter ID bullshit to be shot down. In the meantime, we have an election. I want to help people be eligible and tell them what they can do.

To quote your pal in this thread, "Go find someone else to bully".

Peace. For fucking real. Get over it.

Wrong tree.

BradBlog

(2,938 posts)
38. And I'm sick of you misinforming readers here, and being obnoxious about it.
Sun Sep 14, 2014, 03:20 PM
Sep 2014

PeaceNikki said:

"Save your personal attacks, I fully agree with everything you're posting, you can stop being a jackass any time now."

Not sure what "personal attacks" you're talking about, though calling me a "jackass" certainly qualifies.

"I've offered nothing misleading. Nothing."

That's ridiculous. Of course you have, as anyone reading this thread can see. For a start, as I've responded several times, you claimed "The ID's have been free since the law was enacted. Walker signed legislation to help people get birth certs free, that was part of the deal."

That's incredibly misleading (at the very least.)

His legislation was knocked down by at least 3 different state and federal courts before Walker finally found a friendly venue in the State Supreme Court and got a lucky draw of three partisan judges at the federal level. When the State Supremes got to the case, they actually <i>changed the law</i> by mandating that documents, such as Birth Certificates, would be given free to those who knew to claim that they did not have the money for them.

You'll have to explain what "part of the deal" Walker agreed to "since the law was enacted" to make any of that not the case, as you originally, incorrectly asserted.

The law "since [it] was enacted" has made it more difficult for (certain) voters to vote, and has been a financial burden to those who did not have the underlying documents, like a birth certificate, required to get this supposedly "free" ID. That has been found to be the case over and over in each of the court cases.

For example, here is just one tiny section of U.S. District Court Judge Lynn Adelman's ruling, striking down the law (before it was restored by the current decision at the Appellate level described in my article above):

Eddie Holloway testified that he would be homeless if his sister did not agree to take him in, and that he is on various forms of public assistance. He testified that he attempted to obtain an ID but was unable to do so because of an error on his birth certificate that he cannot afford to have corrected. Rickey Davis testified that he is unemployed, has no bank accounts and attempted to obtain a photo ID but could not get one because he does not have a birth certificate. Shirley Brown testified that she lives on Social Security disability and attempted to obtain an ID but was unable to do so because she does not have a birth certificate. Melvin Robertson testified that he has no education beyond grade school and that he would like to obtain an ID but cannot because he lacks a birth certificate. Rose Thompson testified that after Act 23 was enacted, she attempted to obtain an ID but could not afford to pay the fees associated with obtaining her birth certificate from Mississippi.


"The cost of the ID's has been free for a couple years."

That would be news to all of the people cited in the court case above (and that is only a small fraction of them). So, yes, you have offered plenty of misleading "information" from your very first post. Plenty.

"Peace. For fucking real. Get over it. Wrong tree."

You have an odd way of making "peace". Here's one alternate way I might suggest you could have tried, rather than obnoxiously snickering at people and saying "wrong tree" over and again at people who were trying to politely correct your vast misinformation: "I'm sorry. I was wrong. Thank you for correcting my error."

I wonder why you didn't try that that tactic instead, if you were really interested in "peace".

murielm99

(30,745 posts)
29. I didn't imply anything,
Sat Sep 13, 2014, 02:15 PM
Sep 2014

and I was talking to Brad, not you.

You don't know me, or what I do for Democrats. I don't have to answer questions from a person I don't know on the Internet.

Go bully someone else.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
31. Please explain what you just posted to me.
Sat Sep 13, 2014, 02:38 PM
Sep 2014
Keep us informed on this story, even though Walkers naysayers show up here to support his actions.

I've never read anything close to support for that scumbag Walker on DU.

Peacetrain is just saying what her experience and opinion is.

All the Democrats at DU are appalled at him, and what is going on here, as far as I know.

I don't see anyone here who ever supported that creep and denied there are problems in WI.

A minor disagreement or clarification with all Brad says doesn't translate into support for Walker, IMO.

Peace Out.

Jack Rabbit

(45,984 posts)
5. We need to get valid voter ID to those who need it and
Fri Sep 12, 2014, 07:39 PM
Sep 2014

... we need to get them to the polls, with TV cameras rolling.

If Walker wins, it's fraud.

 

cosmicone

(11,014 posts)
6. They will ask en banc hearing
Fri Sep 12, 2014, 07:45 PM
Sep 2014

But slim chance of it reversing the course

There are 6 Reagan appointees on the court (Manion, Ripple, Posner, Flaum, Easterbrook and Kanne)
2 GW Bush appointees (Sykes and Tinder)
1 GHW Bush appointee (Rovner)
2 Clinton (Wood and Williams)
1 Each for Ford, Carter and Obama (Bauer, Cudahy and Hamilton)

One seat is vacant -- Obama should fill it immediately considering the filibuster has been taken out of the circuit judge appointments.

Not all Reagan appointees are whacko -- some have even turned liberal over the years.

However, an appeal to the SCOTUS may get a stay of the ruling.

dragonlady

(3,577 posts)
17. The full panel is unlikely to do anything in time for the election
Sat Sep 13, 2014, 12:27 AM
Sep 2014

As I read the court rules, a petition for rehearing comes only after judgment is entered, and the order today only lifts the district court's stay.

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
20. Could the full panel not overturn the overturning of the stay then?
Sat Sep 13, 2014, 10:27 AM
Sep 2014

Seems to be the principal of not changing established law, which causes no harm, without a full hearing and decision on new challenged law that may cause harm, would make another stay legally automatic.....not to mention uncertainty in election law with 2 months to go to a major election is a irrefutable argument.

dragonlady

(3,577 posts)
22. Maybe they could
Sat Sep 13, 2014, 12:22 PM
Sep 2014

I don't know if they have a procedure for emergency review apart from a full rehearing or if that would work out the way we hope. Your reasoning is right on point, but these days the courts often go off on tangents. Like Judge Randa, who stopped the Wisconsin prosecutors from investigating campaign finance corruption among Walker and his supporters, and ordered immediate destruction of all the evidence! The appellate court at least stayed the destruction order but the investigation is still on hold until a full decision is made. These partisan judges make it hard to predict anymore whether law will be followed and justice will be done.

BradBlog

(2,938 posts)
34. Yes, they could put a stay on the 3 (GOP) judge panel's order...
Sat Sep 13, 2014, 04:29 PM
Sep 2014

...and effectively keep Adelman's lower court ruling (which blocked the law from taking effect) in place, until they have time for a complete hearing before the full 7th Circuit.

That, of course, would make MUCH more sense than implementing this law just days before the general election, as is currently the plan.

Short of the state being able to demonstrate that the law is needed on some emergency basis (and they can't, they even admitted they were aware of no actual fraud that would be deterred by the law during the full trial in the District Court), there is no imaginable basis for forcing this law into effect at such a short time before an election.

The 3-judge panel surely knew that, but didn't care. I'd like to the think the full court would be far more reasonable, even with a big majority of GOP-appointed judges on it.

sadoldgirl

(3,431 posts)
14. It is not a bad idea to have ID laws, but
Fri Sep 12, 2014, 11:14 PM
Sep 2014

they should be issued and paid for by the US government, just as it is done with SS numbers and cards. That way the states could not really interfere on behalf of one party or the other. They also should be issued at least one year before any election takes place.

BradBlog

(2,938 posts)
37. GOP has *long* blocked national ID cards...
Sat Sep 13, 2014, 04:34 PM
Sep 2014

Beyond that, we already "have ID laws".

Most states already require ID when voting, and it's not a problem, because there are a wide variety of IDs that are allowable, as opposed to in the states where the GOP has passed voter suppression laws requiring only a very few state-issued Photo IDs that can be shown (usually excluding state-issued Photo IDs given to students at universities, for example, for some odd reason.)

Moreover, ID is already required for registering to vote in all 50 states under the federal Help America Vote Act (HAVA).

So, please don't be mislead by the bullshit that these GOP laws are some sort of "common sense" response to fraud. They aren't. They are voter suppression measures. Period.

midnight

(26,624 posts)
18. Justices only needed to review the plan of closing 10 DMV ,in 2011,
Sat Sep 13, 2014, 06:18 AM
Sep 2014

when the first offer of free voter I.D. were offered. They might of been concerned about the closing of so many offices in places leaning towards voting for Democrats.



http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2011/07/25/277592/walker-closes-dmvs/



turbinetree

(24,703 posts)
19. ENOUGH
Sat Sep 13, 2014, 09:11 AM
Sep 2014

Lets think about this.
Here is a criminal staff ( Walker's) breaking every law there is on political fund raising, where does that stand? Anyone know since our right wing corporate media does not like to report anything unless its kittens being born,
Then we have three judges who have probably never fought or read history on those that have died to give us the right to vote.
In Australia it is a crime to not vote, in this country we can't vote because of judges and politicians denying people the right welcome to the oligarchy.
One was appointed by a racist--- Reagan
Two were appointed by a war criminal----Bush
I think its time to impeach these three hypocrites

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
25. "DMV is not the proper safeguard of the most fundamental right in our democracy"
Sat Sep 13, 2014, 01:18 PM
Sep 2014

"DMV is not the proper safeguard of the most fundamental right in our democracy", bears worth repeating.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
32. Perfect. Also, do we need an amendment saying the right to vote shall not be abridged?
Sat Sep 13, 2014, 03:44 PM
Sep 2014

Everyone seems to agree with the Bill of Rights on what should not be legislated away.

Or is the nation just too far to the Right to do the right thing?

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
26. It is interesting, probably many of the people needing ID's are not drivers but are probably on
Sat Sep 13, 2014, 01:37 PM
Sep 2014

Social Security and are able to get a SS check without an ID but can't vote. Yes this is republican smart. The voter fraud I have seen is by and for republicans. The True the Vote is a scam, she sends mail out to solicit and she is getting money for her lies. What does she do, she takes two people with the same name and declares there is voter fraud. I have an unusual first and last name, but guess what, there is another with the same name. She was friends with a candidate in Fort Bend County, Tx who was registered to vote in Pennsylvania and Texas, he claimed he could do this since he owned a house in both states, huh?

Faux pas

(14,681 posts)
27. I don't know how they can rig the system
Sat Sep 13, 2014, 01:56 PM
Sep 2014

so blatantly and still get away with it. This is NOT America the way it's supposed to be.

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