MH17 disaster: Russians 'controlled BUK missile system'

[muriel_volestrangler]

Source: BBC

Russians were operating a BUK missile launcher seen in the area where the Malaysia Airlines passenger jet MH17 were shot down, eyewitnesses have told Panorama.
...
Three eyewitnesses, all civilians, separately told Panorama that they saw a missile-launcher in rebel-held territory a few hours before the Boeing jet was hit.
...
The eyewitness told the BBC that the crew struck him as Russian soldiers: "Well-disciplined, unlike the rebels, and not wearing the standard Ukrainian camouflage uniform sported by government and rebel troops alike."

"They had pure Russian accents. They say the letter 'g' differently to us," he said.

Read more: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-29109398

[Tommy_Carcetti]

1. You mean it wasn't the Ukrainians randomly shooting at planes hoping it would be Putin?

But Robert Parry said......

[Billy Budd]

3. but Colin Powell said

that a weather station was a biological warfare laboratory...said it at the UN ...he has more gravitas than 3 unnamed civilian witnesses able to identify specific equipment etc

[psychopomp]

74. You add nothing

What is your agenda?

[Billy Budd]

76. you are stuttering

[The Magistrate]

77. No Worse, Sir, Then The Needle-Skips On Your 'Greatest Hits' Album....

You seriously need some new material, add a little variety to your non sequiters.

[Billy Budd]

78. I do not recall Sir

asking you anything ....why would I ? Sir

From W Blum

E-mail sent to the Washington Post July 23, 2014 about the destruction of Malaysian Airlines Flight 17:

Dear Editor,

Your July 22 editorial was headed: “Russia’s barbarism. The West needs a strategy to contain the world’s newest rogue state.”

Pretty strong language. Vicious, even. Not one word of hard evidence in the editorial to back it up. Then, the next day, the Associated Press reported:

Senior U.S. intelligence officials said Tuesday that Russia was responsible for ‘creating the conditions’ that led to the shooting down of Malaysia Airlines Flight 17, but they offered no evidence of direct Russian government involvement. … the U.S. had no direct evidence that the missile used to shoot down the passenger jet came from Russia.

Where were these words in the Post? You people are behaving like a rogue newspaper.

– William Blum

[Billy Budd]

4. we only take the word

of US Department figures because they have the record of telling truth ...they never ever lie of mislead....waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

[Billy Budd]

2. the witnesses were later identified

as Larry Curly and Moe ..........

[jakeXT]

6. The BBC demands expert opinion, that's what I've heard

On Thursday, Yan Leder, a managing editor from the Russian service at BBC explained that the report was removed as it contained “mistakes.”

He added that the report had “imperfect structure” and “incomplete compliance of the editorial values of BBC.”

“Unfortunately in this case the report wasn’t submitted to BBC standard editorial analysis. As a result, there were several omissions [in the report],” he added.

According to Leder, the correspondent should have asked the witnesses “specifying questions” in response to their accusations and include “experts’ opinion in her report.”

http://rt.com/news/175476-bbc-deleted-report-mh17/

[Billy Budd]

7. The NYT earlier in the Ukraine crisis

After starting a propaganda stampede – with a lead story about photos of Russian troops purportedly in Ukraine – the New York Times admits the pictures really don’t prove much, and one photo was labeled as snapped in Russia when it was really taken in Ukraine

[jakeXT]

9. I should've used a sarcasm tag /nt

[Billy Budd]

10. No I understood it was sarcasm...the content made that clear

I was merely adding another example ...... but it was very plain what your post was saying...this is a full court push by Western Media just like Western media did in Iraq...they serve as conduit for misinformation and to demonize whoever has to be demonized...

[nilesobek]

58. Yeah but the big difference this time

is the blowback may come in the form of of major US cities being destroyed in thermonuclear blasts. I'm ashamed of my controlled media. They are no better than RT, Tass or even the North Korea media. They say what they are told to say or a CIA commissar is at the door tomorrow.

[Igel]

63. That's confused.

The photo that was alleged to be taken in Russia was taken in rebel-held Ukraine, and Russian sources "exposed" it as being shot in Ukraine-government held Ukraine.

However, the "exposed" bit was rather nicely shown to be wish-based nonsense. The contrast between the supposed symbols on a street address and background was too low to provide any useful information. Only those who wished to see it could. Examine the actual pixels and you get random noise.


And, as we know, the very idea of Russian troops in Ukraine--at least those not on their vacation--has to be a lie because Lavrov says so, and surely no Russian government official has even so much as misrepresented the truth going back for at least a hundred years. Unless we count all the times they did, but only traitors to the cause would do that.

[conservaphobe]

5. I'm sure it won't be too difficult for the Russian Cyber Defense Squad to explain this away.

"THE EVIL CHOCOLATIER DID IT... ROBERT PARRY'S SOURCES FOUND COCOA RESIDUE AT THE SCENE"

[Billy Budd]

8. The State Department sources

claim it was Robert Parry himself who actually fired the BUK missiles .....it was on Social media ...

[psychopomp]

73. You add nothing

What is your agenda?

[Billy Budd]

75. You add snark

I do not answer impertinent queries

[cosmicone]

11. and five other witnesses differed in their perceptions

two said it was Santa Claus, one said it was the tooth fairy and two others said it was the easter bunny. They were alarmed because Santa Claus was very disciplined, wearing a camouflage instead of his red suit and his "ho ho ho"s were in a different accent.

"Saw a missile launcher 'in the vicinity' and 'several hours before' the MH17 crash" is not exactly a smoking gun.

[Tommy_Carcetti]

13. Why would Ukrainians have deployed anti-aircraft missles against an enemy....

....who up to that point had no air force?

Oh, that's right. They deployed it because they wanted to randomly shoot at airplanes in the event one of them was Putin's plane.

[Billy Budd]

17. why did the US State department ponder

That it was a Ukrainian army defector who fired the missile .... why won't it release Satellite surveillance photo...where are the transcripts and recording of Pilot to tower communication....why did Saddam have those ultra light lawn mower engine airplanes .....to bomb the USA

[CJCRANE]

20. Why did Tony Blair lie about the "45 minutes"?

Why did Colin Powell lie in front of the UN?

Why did Condi Rice scaremonger about a "mushroom cloud"?

Why did the Bush administration lie about yellowcake etc etc?

I don't know the truth about MH17 but I'm not going to rely on hearsay from the Ukraine govt, the BBC or the State Dept.

Fool me once...won't get fooled again.

[Tommy_Carcetti]

21. Why did you just reply with a bunch of non-sequiturs relating to the prior administration? nt

[CJCRANE]

22. So the BBC is now 100% reliable because there is a new US administration?

They are examples of hearsay used as evidence.

The concepts of logic and evidence do not suddenly change just because there is a new administration.

[Tommy_Carcetti]

23. And Robert Parry claiming that Ukrainians shot down MH17 because they thought it was Putin is what?

Funny how you don't seem to take issue with that....at least what was reported by the BBC appears to make some logical sense.

[CJCRANE]

25. I never mentioned Robert Parry. I don't support that view.

[Tommy_Carcetti]

26. Fair enough.

It's on the record now.

[Billy Budd]

79. He is not alone

Michael Bociurkiw, who was one of the first international inspectors from the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe (OSCE) to reach the crash site and who spent more than a week examining the ruins– appears to be convinced that MH17 was downed by machinegun fire consistent with the myriad bullet-holes visible on the fuselage. Here’s what he told on CBC World News:

“There have been two or three pieces of fuselage that have been really pock-marked. It almost looks like machine gun fire; very, very strong machine gun fire that has left these unique marks that we haven’t seen anywhere else."
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German pilot and airlines expert, Peter Haisenko, thinks that Malaysia Flight 17 was not blown up by a missile, but shot down by the type of double-barreled 30-mm guns used on Ukrainian SU-25 fighter planes. Haisenko presented his theory in an article which appeared on the Global Research website titled “Revelations of German Pilot: Shocking Analysis of the “Shooting Down” of Malaysian MH17. “Aircraft Was Not Hit by a Missile”. Here’s an excerpt from the article:

http://www.globalresearch.ca/german-pilot-speaks-out-shocking-analysis-of-the-shooting-down-of-malaysian-mh17/5394111

“The facts speak clear and loud and are beyond the realm of speculation: The cockpit shows traces of shelling! You can see the entry and exit holes. The edge of a portion of the holes is bent inwards. These are the smaller holes, round and clean, showing the entry points most likely that of a 30 millimeter caliber projectile….” (“Revelations of German Pilot: Shocking Analysis of the “Shooting Down” of Malaysian MH17. “Aircraft Was Not Hit by a Missile””, Global Research)

[cosmicone]

27. I am of the belief that the rebels accidentally shot down MH17

However, having said that,

let's examine how the MH17 got there. Its original course was 200 miles to the south but Kiev air traffic controllers diverted the route to fly over the rebel held territory.

Why? Because the Ukrainian air force was using passenger planes as human shields, hiding their fighters behind the passenger planes to carry out attacks in the war zone.

Rebels had no clue it was a passenger plane but Ukrainians DID and THEY sent the plane into harm's way, knowing the danger fully.

Thus, Ukraine is guilty for having the plane shot down with malice and aforethought and taking several steps to cause the plane's demise.

Or at least a careless disregard for human life.

PERIOD.

[Benton D Struckcheon]

32. Any source besides rt.com / globalresearch.ca for that? n/t

[cosmicone]

34. Plenty of links

http://www.prisonplanet.com/was-flight-mh-17-diverted-over-restricted-airspace.html

More detail here : http://21stcenturywire.com/2014/07/25/mh17-verdict-real-evidence-points-to-us-kiev-cover-up-of-failed-false-flag-attack/

[ColesCountyDem]

36. Prisonplanet.com? 21stcenturywire.com?

Why not just cite Alex Jones and the other batshit crazy CT-er's, and be done with it?

[LeftyMom]

39. He did. Prison Planet is one of Alex Jones' sites. nt

[NuclearDem]

40. Prison Planet?!

[Benton D Struckcheon]

41. Prison Planet's a joke, a bad one at that.

Never heard of the other one, but a headline that starts out "false flag" doesn't scream objectivity.
So, one more time: any credible sources?

[newthinking]

52. There were observations and complaints about Ukraine using this tactic well

before MH17.

This is a plea in which this woman mentions the dirty tactic. From back in June.

Starting at 1:05: "Terrible things are happening. For example, an incident happened recently, a passenger airplane was flying by and a Ukrainian aircraft hid behind it. Then he lowered his altitude a bit and dropped bombs.... (after which) he regained altitude and hid behind the passenger plane again"

There is a reason that Kiev has refused to give the controller tapes to the investigation.

[Benton D Struckcheon]

64. I'm just going to leave this here.

https://twitter.com/Independent/status/509314993830232064

That is what's known as a credible and reliable source. If Ukraine didn't hand over the tapes, why are they quoting the controllers in Dnipropetrovsk and Rostov verbatim?
Don't bother to answer, you'll be on ignore.

[newthinking]

66. huh? The post above was about Ukraine using civilian planes as human shields

[OilemFirchen]

33. "I reject this woo."

"In its stead, here's some woo."

[ColesCountyDem]

35. There is ZERO evidence that Ukrainian air controllers ordered the change.

Zero, zip, nada, none.

[cosmicone]

37. There is zero evidence that the rebels shot it down as well.

Maybe Dick Cheney did it from an undisclosed location.

[ColesCountyDem]

38. If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck.

There are plenty of credible eyewitnesses that saw soldiers who were dressed in Russian uniforms operating a BUK system within a few kilometers of the site where the missiles were very likely launched, including an AP writer.

Try again.

[cosmicone]

45. You have your choices in belief .. I have mine.

I think that your sources are spreading Western propaganda and they have been discredited numerous times.

[ColesCountyDem]

49. False equivalency worthy of Fox News.

No one has 'discredited' my sources, but yours are downright laughable.

[LanternWaste]

72. Which seems little more than rationalizing Novorossiya's recent anschluss...

"You have your choices in belief .. I have mine"

Which seems little more than rationalizing Novorossiya's recent anschluss...

[joshcryer]

57. There is eyewitness evidence.

Which has been corroborated by several different reporters.

What is interesting is you already say they did it, but blame the victim.

[Adrahil]

81. You mean, no evidence you won't reject. NT

[newthinking]

53. There us every evidence. That is not even disputed.

You are the first I have heard try and make this claim. Have you actually done any reading?

[ColesCountyDem]

55. Have YOU done any reading?

L980 was the route most often flown by Malaysian Airlines this flight, and the PILOT requested to use it. The only thing Ukrainian air control did was approve his request.

[newthinking]

59. It was 300 miles North of the normal flight path for that route.

This was commonly reported so i am not sure where you are finding your info. The question of why has never been answered. It was speculated that it may have been due to weather, but there were no storms in the area.

It was also clearly reported that they were specifically told to drop lower in altitude, again, no actual explanation and the tapes are (so far) not being given to the investigating team.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/ukraine/10975524/Crashed-MH17-flight-was-300-miles-off-typical-course.html

http://www.businessinsider.com/a-fateful-thunderstorm-may-have-doomed-flight-mh17-2014-7

[ColesCountyDem]

61. It was THE most common route, unfortunately for whatever point you're trying to make.

"...British Airways, Air France, Lufthansa and KLM are among the airlines to have used exactly the same routing over eastern Ukraine in recent days, according to website FlightRadar24.

“Fifteen out of 16 airlines in the Association of Asia Pacific Airlines fly this route over Ukraine,” Malaysia’s transport minister Liow Tiong Lai said Friday. “European airlines also use the same route, and traverse the same airspace.”

"...“MH17's flight plan was approved by Eurocontrol, who are solely responsible for determining civil aircraft flight paths over European airspace,” the Malaysia Airlines statement said. "Eurocontrol is the air navigation service provider for Europe and is governed under ICAO rules.” ....

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/ukraine-plane-crash/why-was-malaysia-airlines-mh17-flying-over-ukraine-time-money-n159161

And being told to fly at 33,000 feet, rather than 35,000 feet, didn't matter a fiddler's fart. Due to the fact that L980 is a VERY busy route, the most likely explanation for being told to fly at 33,000 feet was to keep necessary vertical separation between aircraft.

[muriel_volestrangler]

69. On the contrary: the flight was asked to climb, but the pilots said they wouldn't

As the plane approached eastern Ukraine at 12.53pm, responsibility for its flight path passed to air traffic control at Dnipropetrovsk. The controllers asked the pilots to climb from 33,000ft to 35,000ft to keep away from other airliners in the area but the "crew replied they were unable to comply and requested to maintain at (33,000ft)". As a result, other air traffic was asked to climb to 35,000ft. The reason for MH17 not being able to climb is not spelled out, but it could be because of weather. There were some thunderstorms in the area. In fact, at 13.00, according to the report, the flight turned slightly to the left "due to weather", 20 minutes before it was brought down. This contradicts at least one of the conspiracy theories in circulation that the plane was told to fly lower than planned by Ukrainian air traffic control.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/sep/09/mh17-five-things-dutch-safety-board-report

Shortly afterward the Malaysian pilot requested to make a course change, 20 miles to the left, to avoid weather. There was an outbreak of thunderstorms in the area, and some of the thunderheads topped out at 34,000 feet. Again, the Ukrainian controllers assented.

Then the Malaysians asked to go to 34,000 feet, but were told that that corridor was not available. (The traffic was being directed on what is called the “odd standard” meaning that it was using altitudes with odd numbers, 33,000 or 35,000 feet.)

So the Malaysian 777 remained at 33,000 feet. There were war zone altitude restrictions in place forbidding commercial flights below 32,000 feet, giving Flight 17 the meager margin of 1,000 feet between it and the assumed area of danger. (A third aircraft close by at the time under Ukrainian control, an Airbus A330, was cruising west at 40,000 feet.)

At just after 1.20pm all communication with Flight MH17 was lost.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/09/09/mh17-let-another-jet-move-out-of-missile-range.html

[Ghost Dog]

82. Curiously, none of this appears in the transcript the Dutch Board provides.

See #65.

Unless I'm missing something...

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[muriel_volestrangler]

83. page 11, 2nd and 3rd paragraphs

(copy and paste seems to be disabled for some reason). The suggestion to go to 35,000 feet was at 12:53. The crew requested to go 20 miles to the left at 13:00, and then asked to go up to 34,000 feet, but were told that wasn't possible.

[joshcryer]

56. That is as sane as saying the rebels were aiming for a Russian plane

Which incidentally flew over the same area at the same time.

[William769]

12. Wait for it because it's coming if not already here.

Such a tragedy and the sane people knew all along who was responsible for this horrific act of aggression and senseless loss of life.

[Tarheel_Dem]

15. It's already here, sadly. n/t

[another_liberal]

48. Anyone who doesn't agree with your opinion is then "insane?"

Just want to be sure of your meaning?

[CJCRANE]

14. "(T)he crew struck him as Russian soldiers".

Hearsay from anonymous sources.

[jeff47]

28. That seems to be an acceptable standard for the "Ukraine did it" crew. (nt)

[samsingh]

16. there is a lot of blood on their hands

and the Aids experts we also lost.

[MrNJ]

18. Putin-Jugend is on double overtime. That's the only possible explanation for most replies here.

[Adrahil]

80. Yup. +1

[Blue_Tires]

19. Yup...

All the spin, deflection, lies, propaganda, finger-pointing and conspiracy bullshit is finally about to fade from view, and lo and behold, we're right back at the most probable cause we had from day one...So it turns out that Robert Parry and other useful idiots on the pro-Putin left aren't the expert crash investigators they fancied themselves as...

The Dutch Safety Board is releasing their prelim findings report this week, which should start to put this beyond all doubt...I'm not holding my breath for any apologies from the usual suspects, though...

[CJCRANE]

24. I expressed regret about my support for the Libya intervention

here on DU when I realized that we were mislead about the use of R2P and that Gadaffi was probably right that the rebels were terrorists.

If I'm similarly wrong in this case I will also mention it.

[Billy Budd]

31. what was Robert Parry saying about Iraq in 2003

versus what our US Government was saying...how did that work out huh ? the useful Right wing idiots of the US Empire are in full reaction mode....


The Dutch Safety Board will issue the preliminary report on the investigation into the crash of MH17 on Tuesday 9 September 2014. The preliminary report will be available at www.safetyboard.nl at 10:00 AM local time Amsterdam (08:00 hours UTC).

[pampango]

29. The separatists/Russians have shot down several planes in that area and are proud of it.

The government has shot down zero planes, and does not need anti-aircraft missiles, since the separatists have no planes. People can believe whatever they want but you really have to be a BELIEVER to think that the government shot it down.

[muriel_volestrangler]

30. Yes; the news here is that it seems Russian soldiers were in charge of it

rather than rebels. People had put the targeting of a civilian airplane down to untrained personnel using it.

[Benton D Struckcheon]

42. There was speculation re rebels,

but a lot of posts pointing out this was a sophisticated system not capable of being operated by insurgents who likely had fired a shoulder anti-aircraft missile but had never seen anything like the BUK. I remember seeing posts that the targeting is normally done by a radar that could be separated by quite a ways from where the missile system is. Which certainly raises ... questions.

[another_liberal]

43. Why is Kiev still blocking an official investigation?

Why haven't the black box records been released? What was the reason Ukrainian air traffic controllers told the airliner to do what they told it? They did tell the plane to do some really strange things, like reduce altitude and change course so as to pass over an active conflict zone.

What we have instead is an trial by innuendo, conducted in the popular media, nothing more.

[cosmicone]

46. The Ukraininan government seized all the ATC tapes

and wouldn't let them out.

Russia released all the satellite data AND the ATC communications from the point the flight left. The ATC communication records clearly show that the Kiev ATC diverted the plane to use it as a human shield for their fighters.

[another_liberal]

47. Sounds plausible . . .

We know they sent the airliner odd and suspicious instructions. There has to be a reason why they did so.

[Fred Sanders]

44. End the speculation. Release the recorder information and details of the routing.

Seems to me Ukraine wants a trial by media where evidence is optional.

Remember the outcry over how the black boxes may never be recovered, the rebels would tamper with them, Russia would stole them...how vital the information was and that it be released to prevent a civil war?

What happened to all that?

[jtuck004]

50. How many did we kill when we blew that Iranian airliner of families out of the sky? I forget. n/t

[randome]

70. How long did it take for us to own up to it?

[hr][font color="blue"][center]Everything is a satellite to some other thing.[/center][/font][hr]

[jtuck004]

71. Owning up to immoral murder makes it better? What a sick inference. bye. n/t

[daleo]

51. Imagine this in a court of law

Q - And just how did you know they were Russians?

A - It was the way they pronounced the letter "g".

[karynnj]

67. Do you know the meaning of the word shibboleth - in English not ancient Hebrew?

Not one of the most uplifting Bible stories, but it is relevant here.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shibboleth

[daleo]

68. Bible stories are interesting

But none of that would be relevant in a court of law.

[Purveyor]

54. Why I wonder are the block box data and air traffic control tapes being withheld?

Hmmmm?

Russia Demands Publication Of Recordings From Downed Flight MH17
Mark Trevelyan, Reuters
First posted: Saturday, August 30, 2014 02:23 PM EDT | Updated: Saturday, August 30, 2014 02:35 PM EDT

MOSCOW - Russia is demanding to know why international investigators have yet to publish the black box data from a Malaysian airliner that was shot down over eastern Ukraine in July, a deputy defence minister said in an interview published on Saturday.

Moscow blames Ukraine for the disaster, in which all 298 passengers and crew were killed. In a version of events widely believed in the West, Ukraine says the Boeing 777 was shot down by pro-Russian separatists with a surface-to-air missile.

"The Boeing catastrophe throws up more and more questions. But lately not many people are talking about this," Deputy Defence Minister Anatoly Antonov told RIA news agency.

"Why have the data still not been published about the conversations between the air traffic controllers and the pilots of the Boeing? Why haven't the data been presented from the international investigation of the black boxes? Who doesn't want this to happen?"

MORE...

http://www.torontosun.com/2014/08/30/russia-demands-publication-of-recordings-from-downed-flight-mh17

[joshcryer]

60. The preliminary report shows they have them.

So it sounds like Russia is trumping up "questions" ala Glenn Beck or climate change deniers or anti-evolutionists or UFO conspiracy theorists or 9/11 truthers.

As opposed to actually seeking the truth. Russia has no right to those recordings until the investigation is over, at which point they'll likely be made public, as in many other aircraft disasters (there is in fact a site that has every recording transcript of every major crash).

[Ghost Dog]

65. "Recorded ATC surveillance data and radio communication"

was indeed analysed, the preliminary report states (see: http://www.onderzoeksraad.nl/uploads/phase-docs/701/b3923acad0ceprem-rapport-mh-17-en-interactief.pdf ).

Tabel 1: Transcript of radio- and telephone communication

Time
From To Means Text

13:08:00
MH17 DNP RAD Dnipro Radar, MALASIAN one seven, flight level 330
DNP MH17 RAD MALASIAN one seven, Dnipro Radar, good day, radar contact
MH17 DNP RAD MALASIAN one seven

13:19:21
DNP RST TEL Yes
RST DNP TEL So. Dniepr, Rostov one. Can you give a course (direction) for
Malaysian to Rostov to the RND point, we have three of those
there
DNP RST TEL To the Malaysian that is seventeen?
RST DNP TEL Yes, we will return it back then to TIKNA
DNP RST TEL Great (ok)
RST DNP TEL Yes, thanks

13:19:49
DNP MH17 RAD MALASIAN one seven, due traffic proceed direct to point ROMEO NOVEMBER DELTA

13:19:56
MH17 DNP RAD ROMEO NOVEMBER DELTA, MALASIAN one seven

13:20:00
DNP MH17 RAD MALASIAN one seven, and after point ROMEO NOVEMBER
DELTA expect direct to TIKNA

13:21:10
DNP MH17 RAD MALASIAN one seven, how do you read me? MALASIAN one
seven, Dnipro Radar

13:21:36
DNP MH17 RAD MALASIAN one seven, Dnipro Radar

13:22:02
DNP MH17 RAD MALASIAN one seven, Dnipro Radar

13:22:05
RST DNP TEL Listening (to) you, its Rostov
DNP RST TEL Rostov, do you observe the Malaysian by... by the response?
RST DNP TEL No, it seems that its target started falling apart.
DNP RST TEL Well, its not responding for our calls too
RST DNP TEL And not responding for the calls, yes?
DNP RST TEL Yes. And we don’t see it yet. So you gave them a turn, they
confirmed and...
RST DNP TEL And that’s all, yes?
DNP RST TEL Yes its disappeared
RST DNP TEL Wait, I’ll ask
DNP RST TEL Don’t you observe anything on primary?
RST DNP TEL Yes, yes, yes, nothing. We see nothing
DNP RST TEL Ok then, we are calling them here now

/... http://www.onderzoeksraad.nl/uploads/phase-docs/701/b3923acad0ceprem-rapport-mh-17-en-interactief.pdf (p. 15).

But note also:

... The preliminary report on the crash of MH17 being prepared by the Dutch Safety Board contains a number of facts based on various sources; allowing an initial, provisional sequence of events to be made. The investigation team collected information from various sources, such as the Cockpit Voice Recorder, the Flight Data Recorder, satellite and other images, and radar information. All the data is then compared to determine whether the various sources corroborate each other, or show a different view. This is a delicate and time-consuming process that has not yet been completed...

... Investigative materials and sources of information used by the Dutch Safety Board in its investigations are protected by law. Only information relevant to determining the cause of the MH17 crash will be included in the final report. The available investigative information will not be released publicly in their entirety, except for what is published in the final report. This is in accordance with the Dutch Safety Board Act (Rijkswet Onderzoeksraad voor Veiligheid) and the ICAO agreement...

/... http://www.onderzoeksraad.nl/en/onderzoek/2049/investigation-crash-mh17-17-july-2014/onderzoek/1559/questions-and-answers-concerning-the-investigation-into-flight-mh17#fasen