Permitted concealed firearms would be allowed in GOP convention protest zone

[teach1st]

Source: St. Petersburg Times

TAMPA — If Tampa's proposed rules for the Republican National Convention are passed, protesters could not bring squirt guns into a designated protest zone.

But they could bring real guns if they have concealed weapons permits.

That's because state law does not allow local governments to enact laws regulating guns, City Attorney Jim Shimberg Jr. said.

"Even if we tried to regulate it, it would be null and void," Shimberg said Monday.

Read more: http://www.tampabay.com/news/localgovernment/permitted-concealed-firearms-would-be-allowed-in-gop-convention-protest/1223099

[vr94rx7]

1. Thats good news.

[digonswine]

5. Are you sure?

[Politicalboi]

7. Good news?

How can politics and gun fanatics in a SYG law be good? Such babies, have to carry their gun like a blanket. It's pathetic.

[KamaAina]

2. Guns and a First Amendment Zone.

What could possibly go wrong?

[vr94rx7]

3. one allows the other to happen.

[digonswine]

4. You owning a gun allows for free speech?

Please elaborate-

[vr94rx7]

8. a lot of bad things would have to happen.

A tyrannical government could be over thrown by the people if the need ever(never will) came. Since we can vote in elections and always will be able to they wont be needed. There could be a 0.0000000000000~1% chance that will happen but guns are the last line of defense between us and a tyrant.

[digonswine]

15. I have always found this idea to be far-fetched and a bit unrealistic-

and one of the worst reasons to have guns. I'm sure you have other reasons as well.

[vr94rx7]

17. Thats because it is.

[digonswine]

18. I guess one point is that maybe-

there are other, more urgent and relevant problems that might cause us more realistic harm.

[Politicalboi]

21. Guns against Missiles?

Guns against tanks? Guns against drones? Guns against the latest device the government can turn on us? Really?

Here's a tank in action in the streets of San Diego.

[vr94rx7]

23. thats why our current gun laws are unconstitutional.

I need a RPG. Not really they cost too much to feed. I do think that I be able to buy what I can afford.

[neverforget]

43. You're kidding right?

[vr94rx7]

46. only a little.

[neverforget]

50. Just a little huh? Where does the 2nd Amendment end or is it unlimited?

How about a Surface to Air missile? 155mm artillery? M1A2 tank with Sabot rounds?

[melm00se]

70. A little education is in order

National Firearms Act Definitions

Destructive Device

26 U.S.C. § 5845(F)

For the purposes of the National Firearms Act, the term “Destructive Device” means:

- A missile having an explosive or incendiary charge of more than 1/4 oz.
- Any type of weapon by whatever name known which will, or which may readily be converted to expel a projectile, by the action of an explosive or other propellant, the barrel or barrels of which have a bore greater than one-half inch in diameter.
- A combination of parts designed and intended for use in converting a device into a destructive device and from which a destructive device can be readily assembled.

Source

Surface to Air missile: destructive device
155mm artillery: destructive device
M1A2 tank with Sabot rounds: the tank in and of itself not a destructive device - the cannon mounted on said tank: destructive device.

I really wish folks would stop using the "everyone is entitled to own (insert ridiculous example here)" as a counterargument.

[PoliticAverse]

41. At the end the police officer stops the madman by using a gun. n/t

[glinda]

10. Being around guns makes me fearful and I do not say anything....I have quite the opposite reaction.

It is to my eyes a way to build a subtle army. Then when it is too late oh well......

[vr94rx7]

12. Im sorry you feel that way.

[freshwest]

75. The RW is arming the baggers and they'll get their marching orders from FNN.

ALEC is pushing to have guns everywhere, not beause of crime. They are creating a militia and have created covert communication methods.

Conspiracy websites teach this as survival against the 'NWO.' Almost all baggers are conspiracy nuts.

Anyone who doesn't even mildly suspect that, after all the stochastic terrorism in this country and calls for hunting down liberals, as Rush said, is an idiot. n/t

[Loudly]

9. I know perfectly well that THAT'S not true.

Guns silence speech.

[vr94rx7]

14. How many Afericans would be better off(alive) if they werent dissarmed by there gov/leaders?

[Alcibiades]

52. I doubt very much that Africa's problems

are due to too few guns.

[vr94rx7]

59. tell that to the person getting hacked to death by a machete. Or the pre ww2 jews

[Tunkamerica]

64. 7 hours. so sad.

[awoke_in_2003]

65. In the old days, you could alert...

on people like this. Even if the post was borderline, mods could look back at other such posts and see a trend occurring. Now, the alerts are swept under the rug. You have to be flagrant to get the MIR on you.

[Tunkamerica]

67. yeah i thought about alerting, but none of the posts were quite alertable.

[awoke_in_2003]

71. in the mod days...

those "borderline" alerts were saved (even if not acted upon), and after a while you could see a trend. I have no idea what happens now.

[Alcibiades]

77. There would be pizza

I miss it.

[Voice for Peace]

22. in a stand your ground state, no less

[KamaAina]

60. Can you say "agent provocateur"?

Mr. KamaAina can!

[seattleblah]

6. Great, now those gun owners...

will start shooting and blame us.

[vr94rx7]

11. I am a gun owner.

I am not a democrat/liberal but when a shooting happens I blame the shooter. I believe in personal responsibility.

[uppityperson]

19. "I am not a democrat/liberal"? Tell us more about you, please

[vr94rx7]

20. I would say that i am a libertarian mostly.

32yo white male from oklahoma. What do you want to know.

[Voice for Peace]

24. beware

a lot of people on DU are very hostile toward libertarians.
sad but true.

[vr94rx7]

25. Thanks. I like being where people dont agree with me.

A place where everyone has the same views grows stagnant.

[uppityperson]

63. This poster has been ppr'd, banned so he won't be answering any more questions.

[freshwest]

74. Fine by me. Thanks MIRT, but no doubt he will return soon to chat with his buddies here.

[cyberswede]

26. Who do you support for president?

Tell me it's not Ron Paul...

[NRaleighLiberal]

28. so who do you like in November?

[vr94rx7]

30. I have no idea. Obama or Obamalite I dont think it will make a difference.

[uppityperson]

31. Who is "Obamalite"?

[vr94rx7]

32. romney

[uppityperson]

33. You will vote for/support Obama OR Romney? Since you can only vote for 1, which?

[vr94rx7]

56. neither

[uppityperson]

29. Not RP, you would've voted for H Cain, now who are you backing/voting for?

[vr94rx7]

34. no one it wont matter who i vote for.

[uppityperson]

35. You said Romney or Obama. Which?

[vr94rx7]

36. sorry neither. Oklahoma will vote all countys for who ever the rep is.

[uppityperson]

37. I'm not asking who the state electoral votes will go for but who YOU will vote for

[vr94rx7]

38. nobody

[uppityperson]

39. OK. What do you think about the pro-life ultrasound before abortion thing?

[vr94rx7]

40. I havent heard. Im pro choice antiabortion.

[uppityperson]

42. What do you mean? What laws and restrictions do you support?

[vr94rx7]

45. see below

Im for women having the right to an abortion. Its not my business. I would hope that the woman i get pregnant doesn't have one. I also hope i dont get anyone pregnant.

[uppityperson]

48. I'm curious, how old are you? Not that it matters, but can help me put your viewpoints in a better

frame, figuring the decade or so you are, when you grew up, etc. Thanks.

[vr94rx7]

49. Im 32

[uppityperson]

51. Even if you don't vote, who do you think should be president next term? Who'd you like to be pres?

[vr94rx7]

53. I would like herman. if not i really dont care.

[uppityperson]

54. What do you like about Cain?

[vr94rx7]

55. Ive listened to him on the radio fro years. I like his common sense approach to everything.

He is bad-ass.

[uppityperson]

57. honey badger, eh?

[vr94rx7]

58. yes. no fucks given.

[NYC_SKP]

61. Your posting privileges have been revoked.

Thanks for playing...

[jpak]

69. Libertarians are assholes - and Ron Paul is the King of Libertarian Assholes

yup

[awoke_in_2003]

66. how do we get the MIR squads attention?...

alerting will only bring in a jury

[freshwest]

76. Exactly.

[Warren Stupidity]

13. "free speech zones" are fascist bullshit. How about "gun zones"?

If 1st amendment rights can be corralled into kettled zones, so can 2nd amendment rights.

[wordpix]

16. good point

[JoePhilly]

73. Maybe they'll water the tree of liberty?

Cage match ... GOP right wing versus GOP establishment.

Each puts up their candidate ... 2 men enter, one man leaves.

Santorum has a sweater vest and a cross, Romney has a stack of pancakes and a dog carrier.

[Iliyah]

44. Hey they have the

"Stand your Ground" law "Self-Defense" law all of which is more money, errr, profit for the guns companies.

Maybe it will be like the Wild Wild West, shoot them up stuff.

Newt's people against Paul's people who are against Rickiepoo's people all of which are against Mitten's people.

[DonCoquixote]

47. The GOP in Tampa

are already bragging on websites how they will start violence, and get the OWS folks arrested. These folks infest newpaper sites with names like "georgezimmerman2therescue."

[jpak]

68. GOP lawmakers live in fear in Tallahasee - because of the stupid NRA/ALEC gun laws they passed

Now they want guns at the NRC National Convention?

Gunshine State Dumbasses.

yup

[longship]

72. Always bring a gun to a floor fight?

If'en Rmoney don't get 'nuf votes on first ballot, we may have to take it out the Dixie way.

Maybe Bachman was right,
Repugs are armed and dangerous.