US, EU, NATO Condemn Russian Aid Convoy Move

[Purveyor]

Source: Associated Press

LUHANSK, Ukraine (AP) — Frustrated by a week of delays, Russia sent over 130 aid trucks rolling into rebel-held eastern Ukraine on Friday without the approval of the government in Kiev. Ukraine called the move a "direct invasion" that aimed to provoke an international incident.

Russia said it had lost patience with Ukraine's stalling tactics and claimed that soon "there will no longer be anyone left to help" in Luhansk, a war-torn rebel-held city that Ukrainian forces are trying to recapture.

The unilateral Russian sweep across the border drew strong condemnation from the European Union, the United States and NATO and sharply raised the stakes in eastern Ukraine, for any attack on the convoy could draw the Russian military directly into the conflict between the Ukrainian government and the separatist rebels.

Ukraine has long accused Russia of supporting and arming the rebels, a charge that Russia denies. Yet NATO said Friday that, since mid-August, it has seen "multiple reports of the direct involvement of including Russian airborne, air defense and special operations forces in eastern Ukraine." It also said Russian artillery support is being used against Ukraine's armed forces and it has seen "transfers of large quantities of advanced weapons, including tanks, armored personnel carriers and artillery to separatists."


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[The Magistrate]

1. I Think They Have A Point, Sir, Unfortunately

This thing has had from the start a feel of 'trying to catch a lucky shell' about it, at the very least a deliberate courting of trouble.

Regrettable, but there is no reason whatever to take Putin at his word, regarding intent or contents here.

[another_liberal]

2. The evidence of these reported transfers of Russian hardware to the separatists?

The charge is supported by what evidence? Surely the CIA and NATO Generals wouldn't make accusations like that without irreproachable evidence, would they?

(yes, that is sarcasm)

[truth2power]

4. heh heh. thanks. eom

[daleo]

12. The wording is tricky

They have "seen multiple reports". As have we all. But have they verified these reports?

[KoKo]

13. Didn't we Air Drop Aid to "40,000" Yazidis on the Mountain Tops in Iraq...

while bombing the hell out of everything on the ground around them to save them from ISIS? Then it turned out that it wasn't 40,000 and that many had escaped with help from Kurds over the Mountain and others Lived in the Mountains anyway...and it was maybe less than 10,000 who needed the aid?

And now the Convoy of Aid to a War Torn Area in Ukraine is considered secret "Military Hardware" when the "International Red Cross" Certified Inspections revealed it was just Food/Water Aid? And then IRC backed down under pressure and said they wouldn't escort them into Ukraine and then blamed it on Ukraine Influence? Leading to speculation that something was fishy because IRC caved at the last minute? News teams from Russia looked under the flaps at the contents of the Convoy...and it was still just food and water. No Military Armaments to be found. And remember....there are "metal detectors" that can survey contents quickly. So...if anything was there that was "hardware" it would have been detected.

Is there a bit of hypocrisy?

[pampango]

15. Didn't the government of Iraq give permission for that aid drop?

If it did not you have a valid point.

[truth2power]

25. You mean our puppet government in Iraq? eom

[pampango]

27. And Russia's "puppet 'government'" run by the rebels in Eastern Ukraine. Or in Damascus,

where Assad would have disappeared long ago without all of the military aid provided by Russia.

The fact is when a national government gives permission for another country to provide aid within its borders, that is a different situation than when a foreign country unilaterally decides to do so. If Israel had decided that the residents of Homs had suffered enough and trucked in aid to them without Damascus' permission, it would be interesting to see the reaction from Assad and Putin. Even moreso if the rebels in Homs had professed a desire to have the area become a part of Israel and Israel unilaterally decided to provide them with aid.

My guess is that "national sovereignty" would be much more important to Mr. Assad and Mr. Putin in that case than the suffering of civilians.

[joshcryer]

17. Aww, poor ISIS.

Those fighters for freedom and peace.

[joshcryer]

18. Surly Russia would never allow aid or military hardware supplies to cross to Ukraine.

Never in a million years.

[another_liberal]

20. American military hardware seems to be getting into Ukraine quite freely, right?

A good deal is also coming from other NATO countries. All of that "aid" seems to be arriving without any problem.

[joshcryer]

21. Not nearly at the same frequency.

But it will ramp up soon. Russia is trying to start WWIII. NATO countries won't allow it.

[another_liberal]

22. You have actual statistics concerning military aid volumes?

Please share them with us.

[The Magistrate]

23. You Have No Such Yourself, Sir

You are unable to give any solid evidence for any of your assertions little or no Russian equipment is supplied to the secessionists....

[truth2power]

3. ...

The Significance of the Russian Decision to Move the Humanitarian Convoy Into Novorussia.

http://vineyardsaker.blogspot.ca

Just about the most objective news source on the events in Ukraine since the installation of the neo-Nazi junta in Kiev.


Translations in German, French, and Russian if you're so inclined.

[The Magistrate]

5. If 'Objective News Solurce', Sir, Means Anti-Semitic Hate Site

http://vineyardsaker.blogspot.com/2014/06/very-interesting-admission-by-senior-us.html

"From 1991 (and really even before that) to 1999 Russia was an imperial colony run by a collection of mostly Jewish oligarchs who hated Russia and who literally stole everything they could."

http://vineyardsaker.blogspot.com/2014/07/could-glazev-be-right-request-for-your.html

"There is absolutely nothing that he said that I can argue with .
Ukraine was/is occupied by the US.
His reasoning for the regional war in Europe that can only benefit the US, is spot on.
The Zionists not only don't care about the population of Ukraine, they clearly want them all dead.
No amount of casualties can slow them down.
Ukraine has only 0.2% of Jewish population and yet the government is 99% comprised of Jewish Zionists -this makes no sense.
This whole conflict is directed against Russia, China and Eurasia.
The Zionists hate Slavs because Slavs know more about Zionists than any other race on the planet.
The conflict is not designed to be stopped in Ukraine, it is designed to engulf as much of Europe as possible.
The fact that Russia has people like Glazev in the government is a very encouraging and hopeful sign.'

http://vineyardsaker.blogspot.com/2014/07/frances-1-zionist-bashes-putin-and.html

"All the zionists and quislings working for the empire are coming out to attack Russia. They must be desperate. Hope the Russians could liberate the rest of Europe from this evil empire chains, just like in the time of Czar Alexander'

"At the end of the day, I do not believe that Zionists have a special hatred for Palestinians or even Arabs, much less Russians. Rather they despise "the nations" which stand in their way."

[Hong Kong Cavalier]

6. Yeesh. That's more than just a bit vile there.

"Objective news source" and a url with "blogspot" in it should not be in the same sentence.

[The Magistrate]

7. It Is Pretty Stiff, Sir

And it is like shooting fish in a barrel to pull tid-bits like that; just about any entry devolves down into this sort of thing.

It gets tiresome seeing this kind of thing linked to here; people might as well just stand up and link to Stormfront....

[truth2power]

8. Not all Jews are Political Zionists...

And disliking Political Zionists is not the same as being Anti-Semitic.

In fact, labeling anyone who criticizes someone who's Jewish as being Anti-Semitic just serves to shut down any discussion and causes real instances of Anti-Semitism to lose all meaning.

As far as that goes, the junta (you probably don't agree with that term) currently ruling in Kiev is infested with people who have as their hero, Stepan Bandera, a Nazi collaborator in Ukraine during WWII. An instance of Pot. Kettle. I'd say.

[The Magistrate]

9. Pull The Other Finger, Sir...

The man is a rabid Anti-Semite and so is his contributing audience.

Deal with it, don't try and deny it, when you link to and endorse it as 'objective news'.

[truth2power]

26. So say the people who support the US installed

neo-Nazi junta in Kiev. Like I said, pot. kettle.

[Tommy_Carcetti]

29. Do you have any proof whatsoever for anything you just said in that sentence?

Or are you just parroting stuff you've heard over and over and over again with little regard to the truth?

Don't be a lazy poster.

[truth2power]

30. Let's see...

US installed - check
neo-Nazi - check
junta - check

Umm...I think, today, I'll choose Door #1: "Lazy"

BTW, do you have a list of emotive words guaranteed to 'hook' someone into action? I have a list of adjectives for talking about tone/voice in a piece of literature that teachers use to assist their students in writing essays. I'll trade you.

But I digress. Anyone with the cognitive ability to post on DU is capable of doing their own research. In this case, the narrative concerning the events in Ukraine these past 6 mos. or so, is widely available.

And think how gratifying it is to use your own critical thinking skills to find the answers.

Nevertheless, I can't resist mentioning something that just fell into my lap this morning (Sun.). Before coming over here I was reading an article by Ray McGovern that's headlined over at Common Dreams, about the Russian humanitarian aid.

He describes the actors in the aforementioned event as: “Ukrainian pro-Russian separatists” – more accurately described as federalists of southeast Ukraine who oppose last February’s coup in Kiev" Oh, my!

Hurry! Throw Mr. McGovern under the bus if you can, although I doubt there's any more space left these days.

[Tommy_Carcetti]

31. Begging the question--Check.

The fact is, there's been no evidence to support an actual "coup" in Ukraine, let alone one that was US installed. That you, or Ray McGovern, or Robert Parry say one happened does not make it so.

[Elmergantry]

10. Oi Vey!

Yeah that's an "objective" new source fer sher!

[Elmergantry]

11. That site is such a hoot!

So let me get this straight, coming from two pootlickers:

According to this "objective" news source, the Kiev "Junta" is full of "Zionists", whom another pootlicker here says happens to be full of neo-Nazis Banderites........


Yeaahhhhh, that makes sense!

[The Magistrate]

14. That, Sir, Is Where The DoubleThink Comes In

If I do not like expressions of anti-semitism, then a charge of nazism should appeal to me; that is his tactical analysis. It is simply a question of pressing the line which seems most useful in advancing the ideological view, that the West is wrong and Russia right. So a raving anti-semite like the proprietor of 'vineyard of the saker' can be 'an objective news source' because he says things useful to the West bad Russia good line, and at the same time, a charge of nazism, ie, of being the real anti-semites, can be laid against the Kiev government, since after all, they are supported by the West and oppose Russia, and such a charge might advance the West bad Russia good line. It is good for one, and bad for the other, because the one is good, and the other bad, and the one is good because it opposes the West, and the one is bad because the West supports it.

[joshcryer]

19. How dare you question Russia's white snow intents.

They are as clean as unbridled white snow or however the saying goes. Russia is pure and holy. Nothing Russia could ever do is within question. All Hail Putin!

[The Magistrate]

24. Unfortunately, Sir, That Is Not An Unfair Summary Of Much Commentary On This....

[Tommy_Carcetti]

28. Thanks. nt

[joshcryer]

16. Novorusia = Dugin fascist state.

What the fuck.